Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon XP?
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i asked this same question a few weeks back. alot of people here r amd users, and will bash p4 all day long, but the fact is they r both good processors. amd is more power for the money, but there is nothing wrong with p4 either. they run a little cooler, which is nice. but for shear performance, i have seen benchmark data that shows that a amd 1.4 ghz xp is faster than even a p4 1.9 ghz in some tests. so the best bang for your buck is definetely amd.
I've been an Intel fan since the 286 days. But when the Athlon core came out and stomped all over intel's cpus.... even at lower speeds... i knew for sure AMD has the better, more optimized core design. The P6 architecture can't compete with it. Intel is gonna have to go back to the drawing board and redesign.
<< i asked this same question a few weeks back. alot of people here r amd users, and will bash p4 all day long, but the fact is they r both good processors. amd is more power for the money, but there is nothing wrong with p4 either. they run a little cooler, which is nice. but for shear performance, i have seen benchmark data that shows that a amd 1.4 ghz xp is faster than even a p4 1.9 ghz in some tests. so the best bang for your buck is definetely amd. >>
Wait a second. A P4 1.9Ghz NW will kick the crap out of a 1.4Ghz Xp. If you are in to gamming, OCing, or internet editing, P4 NW is the way to go.
By the way, the Athlon XP is too flammable for everyday use.
-DocSmarts
ahahhahaha, again with the flammable thing huh.
Electricity does not like water, I have washed my amd in water before it did not start burning.
Electricity does not like water, I have washed my amd in water before it did not start burning.
The best price/performance solution is the $210 (soon $190) Northwood P4 1.8 clocked at 2.4GHz. Get a P4 DDR motherboard and run it at 4x133=533 FSB for that speed.
However, if you don't plan to overclock, I'd go for the Athlon MP 1900+.
If price is a non-issue, then I would consider a Northwood 2.2 or dual Athlon system.
However, if you don't plan to overclock, I'd go for the Athlon MP 1900+.
If price is a non-issue, then I would consider a Northwood 2.2 or dual Athlon system.
Get an XP 1700+ for ~$120 rather than a $200+ northwood, and spend the extra money on other components where you will actually notice a performance difference.
if u have enough money go to p4 northwood, more new technology like 0.13mm and less heat, i am a poor student, so amd will be my choice, there are nothing wrong with p4 and also amd... but if i have money i will go to p4... cheerss
It depends on your budget. That's almost always the case. The P4 indeed costs more, but the platform you can put it on (with an Intel chipset), you get practically guaranteed stability/compatibility. No problems with infinite loops, XP, nvidia drivers, sblive drivers, ati drivers, etc. But again, there is the cost. AthlonXP solutions perform just as well on average and costs less. From a performance standpoint, there is no real difference. So basically, it's price vs stability/compatibility.
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<< i asked this same question a few weeks back. alot of people here r amd users, and will bash p4 all day long, but the fact is they r both good processors. amd is more power for the money, but there is nothing wrong with p4 either. they run a little cooler, which is nice. but for shear performance, i have seen benchmark data that shows that a amd 1.4 ghz xp is faster than even a p4 1.9 ghz in some tests. so the best bang for your buck is definetely amd. >>
Wait a second. A P4 1.9Ghz NW will kick the crap out of a 1.4Ghz Xp. If you are in to gamming, OCing, or internet editing, P4 NW is the way to go.
By the way, the Athlon XP is too flammable for everyday use.
-DocSmarts >>
He's right. Pentium 4 is more stupidity proof. Intel will survive power up without a heatsink where AMD puffs into smokes and may not survive the water flood DocSmarts has given.
<< Jerboy, I'm asking you: Which dumbass will power up his system without a heatsink? >>
Judging from the threads at Arstechnica, Hardocp, and even here...thousands upon thousands of people.
dont said power up the system without heatsink even put the heatsink not properly will burn your cpu, will amd give us the warranty? i just burned my cpu week ago and until now i have not got an answer about my warranty, this never happen to me before... with my intel system i never scare to take out my heatsink and put it again.. ( the worst thing only the system will not boot if i put the heatsink not properly ), with my xp system i must really be carefull on that
Hell, at these prices just pick up the XP1900 for 205 dollars at newegg. Thats where 205 dollars of my tax return is going for damn sure. 
<< Take an XP and a good heatsink, and it will still be cheaper than a P4. >>
The Northwood P4 1.8 costs the same as the Athlon XP 1900+ ($200), yet will run at a minimum of 2400+MHz with stock cooling and DDR memory @ 133. The Northwood P4 is clearly the better deal of those two. At that 2400-2500 speed, it outperforms every Athlon (even the 2000+ overclocked) in just about every benchmark. See the processor comparison at www.hardocp.com.
Most members here are biased against Intel. They simply can't fathom that anyone but their dear old AMD might have a cost-effective, high performance solution. I don't even use Intel setups (but rather dual 1900+ on an Asus A7M266-D), and I can still see that. Wake up and smell the coffee.
If you're not going to overclock, then the AMD is the superior budget solution, no doubt. That said, we're not talking about extra cooling here, but just the stock retail heatsink. That's all that's needed on the cool-running P4. The P4 overclocked to 3000MHz runs at about the same temperature as the Athlon XP 2000+, so heat is a non-issue. When you overclock a P4, you're just running the DDR at 133MHz (like Athlon systems) instead of 100MHz. It takes a three seconds to change this in the bios.
A 1.9GHz Northwood does not "kick the crap out of a 1.4GHz XP". The are roughly equal at stock speeds. The performance difference between the AMD XP and the Intel Northwood is about 500MHz. If I was gonna run stock speed, the Athlon XP 2000 at $263 is close to performance to the Northwood 2.2GHz at half the price. If I was gonna overclock then I would pick the 1.8GHz Northwood for about $200 and get a DDR board that runs 150MHz for 2.7GHz. Someone has done it already, good DDR bandwidth and awesome cpu speed, and it doesn't cost $519.
We should also speak of what's going on: it seems that intel will change *ONE MORE TIME* its processor needs for motherboards, with the new 533FSB. Socket 473? 2 months! Socket 478? 6 months! I hope the next socket will last a year...
Yeah Intel change too much in my book... now we got 845D with DDR.
In a few months 133FSB P4.... new mobo...along with 533 MHz RDRAM....
And is Intel going to give us the RDRAM version of the new mobo first like they did before? And release the DDR version a year later???
The only major update for the Athlon is 333 MHz DDR or 0.13u Athlon. And I don't think we will see 0.13u Athlon this year...
In a few months 133FSB P4.... new mobo...along with 533 MHz RDRAM....
And is Intel going to give us the RDRAM version of the new mobo first like they did before? And release the DDR version a year later???
The only major update for the Athlon is 333 MHz DDR or 0.13u Athlon. And I don't think we will see 0.13u Athlon this year...
Wait a second. A P4 1.9Ghz NW will kick the crap out of a 1.4Ghz Xp. If you are in to gamming, OCing, or internet editing, P4 NW is the way to go.
By the way, the Athlon XP is too flammable for everyday use.
Not true at all. Your completely ignorant thread in General Hardware shows how little you know about computers.
Let's get something straight here. An AMD 1.4GHz Athlon Thunderbird processor is more or less equal to a 2GHz Pentium 4 Willamette (the 2GHz P4 will lead the 1.4GHz T-bird more often than not, nothing quite noticable though). An AMD 1.4GHz Athlon XP processor is approx. 5-7% faster than a 1.4GHz Athlon Thunderbird due to several optimizations (it's codenamed "Palomino").
The Palomino core brings the 1.4GHz Athlon XP well up to par with a 2GHz Pentium 4 Willamette.
Currently, you can purchase a 1.53GHz Athlon XP processor for $139 (doesn't include s&h). A 2GHz Pentium 4 Northwood (which is about 5-7% faster than a 2GHz Pentium 4 Willamette) is $358 on pricewatch (doesn't include s&h). The 1.53GHz Athlon XP is somewhat noticably faster than the 2GHz Northwood for approx. $219 less.
The Northwood P4 1.8 costs the same as the Athlon XP 1900+ ($200), yet will run at a minimum of 2400+MHz with stock cooling and DDR memory @ 133. The Northwood P4 is clearly the better deal of those two. At that 2400-2500 speed, it outperforms every Athlon (even the 2000+ overclocked) in just about every benchmark. See the processor comparison at www.hardocp.com.
C'mon KenAF, Kinesis never ever mentioned anything about overclocking.
By the way, the Athlon XP is too flammable for everyday use.
Not true at all. Your completely ignorant thread in General Hardware shows how little you know about computers.
Let's get something straight here. An AMD 1.4GHz Athlon Thunderbird processor is more or less equal to a 2GHz Pentium 4 Willamette (the 2GHz P4 will lead the 1.4GHz T-bird more often than not, nothing quite noticable though). An AMD 1.4GHz Athlon XP processor is approx. 5-7% faster than a 1.4GHz Athlon Thunderbird due to several optimizations (it's codenamed "Palomino").
The Palomino core brings the 1.4GHz Athlon XP well up to par with a 2GHz Pentium 4 Willamette.
Currently, you can purchase a 1.53GHz Athlon XP processor for $139 (doesn't include s&h). A 2GHz Pentium 4 Northwood (which is about 5-7% faster than a 2GHz Pentium 4 Willamette) is $358 on pricewatch (doesn't include s&h). The 1.53GHz Athlon XP is somewhat noticably faster than the 2GHz Northwood for approx. $219 less.
The Northwood P4 1.8 costs the same as the Athlon XP 1900+ ($200), yet will run at a minimum of 2400+MHz with stock cooling and DDR memory @ 133. The Northwood P4 is clearly the better deal of those two. At that 2400-2500 speed, it outperforms every Athlon (even the 2000+ overclocked) in just about every benchmark. See the processor comparison at www.hardocp.com.
C'mon KenAF, Kinesis never ever mentioned anything about overclocking.
And every p4 1.8ghz will run 2.4ghz with stock cooling, no problem? that seems a little hard to believe.
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