- Pentium 4 3.0GHz 800MHz

[Rogerdoger40]

I thought Pentium 4 where droping there prices 35% today ? Have not seen any drop so far.

 

[nick1985]

k

 

[EmoshBZ]

still waiting....

 

[fredtam]

Didn't they already drop over the weekend. A 3.0c is only $223 and a 3.4c is $419.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

They sure did. Last week the 3 gig was 279 now its 229. Dont know about the 35% drop but it was a 15-20% drop for processors 2.8 and up. 2.6 didn't seem to move.

 

[CraigRT]

I wouldn't mind seeing the prices on like a 2.4C and 2.6C drop for work, but i myself couldn't care less

 

[Corporate Thug]

$223 @ ZZF

 

[Rogerdoger40]

Oh dam I wanted to upgrade to a P4 3.0 chip but still to expensive I thought the price would have drop to little under 200 bucks

 

[oSReApEr]

The 3.0 intel wouldnt make that much of a difference over the 2.8 right? I mean would i be able to tell the difference?

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: oSReApEr
The 3.0 intel wouldnt make that much of a difference over the 2.8 right? I mean would i be able to tell the difference?

No. I've had a 2.8c up to 3.6 and the only time I could actually notice the difference is on seti work units and large encoding projects. Shaved quite a bit of time off of both. Also 3.0 is such a mild overclock from 2.8 that I would venture to say that any 2.8 paired with any 3200 ram would do it with no voltage hike. So if you really want a 3.0 buy a 2.8 and raise the FSB to 214 and save a few bucks. The OCed 2.8 would even slightly outperform the stock 3.0C/3200 combo.

 

[Rankor]

$223 US at Mwave.com

 

[Rogerdoger40]

Ok Let me ask this I am looking to upgrade from my AMD setup which is an A7M266 MB and 2100 plomero chip. I got for a gift ATI 9800 pro I want to build a rig around this card because my setup is old and I am a gammer. OK I was looking at the 865 and 875 boards not sure what the difference are but can someone tell me what would be a good setup, I defiantly want 800fsb looking for 1394 and 2.0 usb the game I play most of the time now are Battlefield1942 and nascar 2003 and this game is very cpu depend

 

[Markfw]

If your a gamer why don't you look into an Athlon64 3000+ ? They are much better in games than the P4's, and they are $215 right now on newegg. ($227 with retail HSF that works great)

 

[dullard]

Official Intel 1000 lot price list. Remember there are other prices not publicly listed for larger lots so companies can sell for a bit lower than these prices if they are large enough. But the price cuts were 14% to 33% - no 35% cut in sight. The 3.0 GHz cut was 22% to match the previous 2.8 GHz pricetag at $218. Since street prices vary, the best bet is to look at the 2.8 GHz price two weeks ago - that will be the final street price once prices settle for the 3.0 GHz P4. I don't think you will see it go below $200.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
If your a gamer why don't you look into an Athlon64 3000+ ? They are much better in games than the P4's, and they are $215 right now on newegg. ($227 with retail HSF that works great)

No argument here. The only other thing I might suggest is if your an OCer is going with the Presscott (awaiting flames) and try for 4.0.

"An effortless overclock gave us 3.72GHz; we could POST at 4GHz but we didn?t want to showcase what was ultimately possible with Prescott, rather what was easily attainable without increasing voltages."

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
If your a gamer why don't you look into an Athlon64 3000+ ? They are much better in games than the P4's, and they are $215 right now on newegg. ($227 with retail HSF that works great)

Exactly what do you mean by "much better" ?

And does the difference actually affect game play ?

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch

Originally posted by: Markfw900
If your a gamer why don't you look into an Athlon64 3000+ ? They are much better in games than the P4's, and they are $215 right now on newegg. ($227 with retail HSF that works great)

Exactly what do you mean by "much better" ?

And does the difference actually affect game play ?

Well lets look at Anandtech's last article.
Program: 3.0 GHz Northwood, 3.0 GHz Prescot, 3000+ Athlon 64 (all results are in fps, and a tie means that no one could actually see the difference)
Aquamark: 43.6, 43.2, 43.5 - a tie
Halo: 55.2, 55.1, 55.9 - a tie
GunMetal: 34.2, 34.0, 34.1 - a tie
UT: 225, 221.7, 245.9 - The Athlon 64 3000+ clearly wins but note the high fps anyways
Warcraft 3: 53.5, 54.1, 56 - The Athlon 64 3000+ barely wins
Quake 3 Arena: 427.8, 425.7, 420.4 - the 3.0 GHz is barely ahead but with such high fps it doesn't matter.
Jedi Knight: 71.5, 66.6, 75.1 - The Athlon 64 3000+ clearly wins
Wolfenstein: 78.9, 75, 82.4 - The Athlon 64 3000+ clearly wins

So about half of the time the 3000+ Athlon 64 is tied with the 3.0 GHz P4, and about half of the time it is tied with the 3.2 GHz P4. The Athlon 64 3000+ is $211 and the 3.0 GHz P4 is $216 so price of the CPU isn't a factor (price only valid today and is from minimum price on pricewatch.com).

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch

Originally posted by: Markfw900
If your a gamer why don't you look into an Athlon64 3000+ ? They are much better in games than the P4's, and they are $215 right now on newegg. ($227 with retail HSF that works great)

Exactly what do you mean by "much better" ?

And does the difference actually affect game play ?

Well lets look at Anandtech's last article.
Program: 3.0 GHz Northwood, 3.0 GHz Prescot, 3000+ Athlon 64 (all results are in fps, and a tie means that no one could actually see the difference)
Aquamark: 43.6, 43.2, 43.5 - a tie
Halo: 55.2, 55.1, 55.9 - a tie
GunMetal: 34.2, 34.0, 34.1 - a tie
UT: 225, 221.7, 245.9 - The Athlon 64 3000+ clearly wins but note the high fps anyways
Warcraft 3: 53.5, 54.1, 56 - The Athlon 64 3000+ clearly wins but I don't think it is very noticible
Quake 3 Arena: 427.8, 425.7, 420.4 - the 3.0 GHz is barely ahead but with such high fps it doesn't matter.
Jedi Knight: 71.5, 66.6, 75.1 - The Athlon 64 3000+ clearly wins
Wolfenstein: 78.9, 75, 82.4 - The Athlon 64 3000+ clearly wins

So about half of the time the 3000+ Athlon 64 is tied with the 3.0 GHz P4, and about half of the time it is tied with the 3.2 GHz P4. The Athlon 64 3000+ is $211 and the 3.0 GHz P4 is $216 so price of the CPU isn't a factor (price only valid today and is from minimum price on pricewatch.com).

With the exception of the UT scores, the A64 and P4 are within 5% of each other... So, I'm not sure I'd (personally) use "clearly wins" as a description for either processor.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
With the exception of the UT scores, the A64 and P4 are within 5% of each other... So, I'm not sure I'd (personally) use "clearly wins" as a description for either processor.

You could say the exact same thing between the 3.2 and 3.0 GHz P4. So are you argueing that there isn't a clear difference between the 3.2 GHz and 3.0 GHz? To me a clear difference is one which is outside the margin of error of a benchmark - usually a fps or two. You are correct that it is nearly impossible to notice the speed difference of 5% or less - but the speed difference is clearly measurable and thus does exist. I was trying to show that Markfw900 was incorrect in saying the Athlon 64 3000+ is "much better" than the 3.0 GHz P4. There are cases where it clearly wins but the difference probably is unnoticible.

I will edit the Warcraft 3 remark though to say it barely wins.

 

[Wingznut]

Oh, I wasn't intending on correcting you, or prodding you to edit anything... I was just stating my personal opinion that 5% in a game isn't anything to write home about.

And yes, if the difference between a 3.2 and 3.4 in a game was <5%, then I wouldn't call it a "clear" difference... But that's just me. I imagine an entire frame per second is quite important to some geek somewhere... Just not so important to this one.

 

[Rogerdoger40]

Ok this is what I am looking at right now what do you all think ASUS P4C800 DLX INTEL 875P CHIPSET ULTRA ATA100 ATX FORM FACTOR 1xAGP(PRO/8X)/5xPCI/4xDDR W/RAID,1394,USB 2.0 & AUDIO (CPU TYPE:INTEL CELERON, PENTIUM 4 - 400/533/800MHZ) (PENTIUM 4 3.0G (800Mhz); NO MEMORY) FOR 395.20 or ASUS P4C800-E DLX INTEL 875P CHIPSET ULTRA ATA100 ATX FORM FACTOR 1xAGP(PRO/8X)/5xPCI/1xWIFI/4xDDR W/SATA,RAID,1394,USB 2.0 & AUDIO (CPU TYPE:INTEL CELERON, PENTIUM 4 - 400/533/800MHZ) (PENTIUM 4 3.0G (800Mhz); NO MEMORY) for 405.70 The thing I like about the p4 is the 800 fsb where amd is only 400 lots more lanes of information on p4

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Rogerdoger40
what do you all think

I think you should use proper punctuation and maybe even make a list (instead of an almost illegible copy/paste), so that we can more easily deceipher what you are considering.

 

[Rogerdoger40]

ok I am looking at these two MB (ASUS P4C800 DLX INTEL 875P CHIPSET )
(ASUS P4C800-E DLX INTEL 875P CHIPSET ULTRA ATA100)
I am looking at the 3.0 P4 chip What I like about the Pentiums is the fsb
which is 800 where AMD are only 400 I seen post here that if I am a
gammer I should go with the AMD 64 but I am looking to change to
the pentiums now. I want to know what you guys think aboout these boards?

Thanks for all your help!

 

[Zinn2b]

I have the intel chipset via the ABit IC7-MAX3 and its great but I just built a gamer system for a customer using ASUS P4S800D-E this is the SIS655TX chipset I also installed the corsair pro PC 4200 memory ALSO you wil wanmt a 500 watt power supply this mans machine is fast really FASTTTTTTT it is faster than mine but not much I paid $185 for the Abit and $115 for the asus do the math

 

[KillaKilla]

Originally posted by: Rogerdoger40
Ok Let me ask this I am looking to upgrade from my AMD setup which is an A7M266 MB and 2100 plomero chip. I got for a gift ATI 9800 pro I want to build a rig around this card because my setup is old and I am a gammer. OK I was looking at the 865 and 875 boards not sure what the difference are but can someone tell me what would be a good setup, I defiantly want 800fsb looking for 1394 and 2.0 usb the game I play most of the time now are Battlefield1942 and nascar 2003 and this game is very cpu depend

My advice would be to go with the A64-3000+. It outperforms even the P4EE in almost everything, so you wouldn't have to OC it at all to get the most out of your video card.