Pentagon Gives Gloomy Iraq Report.

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy
Let's see if I can explain this in small simple words that you will all understand.

1. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) call for politicins and their children to go and fight in Iraq. Why? Because they don't support the war and they think those that do should go or send their own children to fight. With me so far?

Evidently dahunan(and other hypocritical cowards) think that if you support a war you should go and fight in it. Fair enough.

2. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) state their support for the war in Afghanistan but won't get off their 4 foot wide asses to go and fight or even walk past a recruiting station. dahunan states support for war
Evidently there's some confusion about what the word 'hypocrite' means so I'll define it for you.

hypocrite - a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

For those of you still unable or unwilling to connect the dots, you have my sympathy.

For those of you calling for me to join up, I already finished over 20 years on active duty and retired so you're going to have to try and find some other duhversion.

The point he's trying to make, and I know it's way over your head, is that if these Chickenhawks were to have to serve or their children were to have to serve in Iraq they might think twice before using our soldiers as pawns for Bullsh!t wars like Iraq.

And the point I'm trying to make, which you're ignoring because you're one of them, is that if you're not willing to step up to fight the war you support you're a hypocrite if you demand others step up for wars you don't. You were all screaming for blood on 9/12/01, with your fat yellow asses firmly entrenched under your coffee tables but none of you were willing to step up. Now we have a war that isn't as widely popular and the same people are yelling for other people to step up. I know you still don't get it convict but that's called hypocrisy.

All the people around me after 9/11 saw the wars as foolhardy... good assumptions though. You are about as out there as can be.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy




And the point I'm trying to make, which you're ignoring because you're one of them, is that if you're not willing to step up to fight the war you support you're a hypocrite if you demand others step up for wars you don't.



You are saying everyone who supported the war in Iraq should go and fight it.

Fine with me, when are you going to re-up?

Like I said I'm retired and I am subject to recall until my 30 year point but even in my "civilian" job I provide direct support to the troops in the field and that includes deployments to both the ME and SW Asia.

How about you? Ever done anything besides run your suckhole on the internet? I kinda doubt it.

Ah, there we go... that's why you are so angry and bitter... it makes more sense now. Unfortunately, many people from the military are angry and just want to fight... Fight fight fight..

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy
Let's see if I can explain this in small simple words that you will all understand.

1. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) call for politicins and their children to go and fight in Iraq. Why? Because they don't support the war and they think those that do should go or send their own children to fight. With me so far?

Evidently dahunan(and other hypocritical cowards) think that if you support a war you should go and fight in it. Fair enough.

2. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) state their support for the war in Afghanistan but won't get off their 4 foot wide asses to go and fight or even walk past a recruiting station. dahunan states support for war
Evidently there's some confusion about what the word 'hypocrite' means so I'll define it for you.

hypocrite - a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

For those of you still unable or unwilling to connect the dots, you have my sympathy.

For those of you calling for me to join up, I already finished over 20 years on active duty and retired so you're going to have to try and find some other duhversion.

The point he's trying to make, and I know it's way over your head, is that if these Chickenhawks were to have to serve or their children were to have to serve in Iraq they might think twice before using our soldiers as pawns for Bullsh!t wars like Iraq.

And the point I'm trying to make, which you're ignoring because you're one of them, is that if you're not willing to step up to fight the war you support you're a hypocrite if you demand others step up for wars you don't. You were all screaming for blood on 9/12/01, with your fat yellow asses firmly entrenched under your coffee tables but none of you were willing to step up. Now we have a war that isn't as widely popular and the same people are yelling for other people to step up. I know you still don't get it convict but that's called hypocrisy.

Convict? Where the fsck did you get that Asshole? I mean I can understand your support for all wars no matter how wrong they are as your livelyhood now depends on it but just because I don't it doesn't make me some kind of Felon.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

The guy has got to be an owner of the Site considering the garbage he gets away with spewing all over the forum. Extremely foul individual.

 

[DickFnTracy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy
Let's see if I can explain this in small simple words that you will all understand.

1. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) call for politicins and their children to go and fight in Iraq. Why? Because they don't support the war and they think those that do should go or send their own children to fight. With me so far?

Evidently dahunan(and other hypocritical cowards) think that if you support a war you should go and fight in it. Fair enough.

2. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) state their support for the war in Afghanistan but won't get off their 4 foot wide asses to go and fight or even walk past a recruiting station. dahunan states support for war
Evidently there's some confusion about what the word 'hypocrite' means so I'll define it for you.

hypocrite - a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

For those of you still unable or unwilling to connect the dots, you have my sympathy.

For those of you calling for me to join up, I already finished over 20 years on active duty and retired so you're going to have to try and find some other duhversion.

The point he's trying to make, and I know it's way over your head, is that if these Chickenhawks were to have to serve or their children were to have to serve in Iraq they might think twice before using our soldiers as pawns for Bullsh!t wars like Iraq.

And the point I'm trying to make, which you're ignoring because you're one of them, is that if you're not willing to step up to fight the war you support you're a hypocrite if you demand others step up for wars you don't. You were all screaming for blood on 9/12/01, with your fat yellow asses firmly entrenched under your coffee tables but none of you were willing to step up. Now we have a war that isn't as widely popular and the same people are yelling for other people to step up. I know you still don't get it convict but that's called hypocrisy.

Convict? Where the fsck did you get that Asshole? I mean I can understand your support for all wars no matter how wrong they are as your livelyhood now depends on it but just because I don't it doesn't make me some kind of Felon.

We all have our little secrets don't we "Red". As far as my livlihood is concerned I write my own ticket, war or no war. You see when security is your specialty and you can tack letters onto your name like CPP, CISSP and others coupled with lots of experience, lots of opportunities open up to you. I'm in this job because a friend from the service I owed a lot to asked me to help him out. When the programs I'm working on are established and someone else is up to speed on my job, I'll move on, maybe back into the public sector, maybe into the banking or healthcare industries. I've had offers in all three so I'm sure I'll find something pretty nice, where I want, at the right price.


Goodbye UltraQuiet, returned banned member.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
The guy has got to be an owner of the Site considering the garbage he gets away with spewing all over the forum. Extremely foul individual.

QFT; I have yet to see a post from him that wasn't foul, belligerant or insulting.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy
Let's see if I can explain this in small simple words that you will all understand.

1. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) call for politicins and their children to go and fight in Iraq. Why? Because they don't support the war and they think those that do should go or send their own children to fight. With me so far?

Evidently dahunan(and other hypocritical cowards) think that if you support a war you should go and fight in it. Fair enough.

2. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) state their support for the war in Afghanistan but won't get off their 4 foot wide asses to go and fight or even walk past a recruiting station. dahunan states support for war
Evidently there's some confusion about what the word 'hypocrite' means so I'll define it for you.

hypocrite - a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

For those of you still unable or unwilling to connect the dots, you have my sympathy.

For those of you calling for me to join up, I already finished over 20 years on active duty and retired so you're going to have to try and find some other duhversion.

The point he's trying to make, and I know it's way over your head, is that if these Chickenhawks were to have to serve or their children were to have to serve in Iraq they might think twice before using our soldiers as pawns for Bullsh!t wars like Iraq.

And the point I'm trying to make, which you're ignoring because you're one of them, is that if you're not willing to step up to fight the war you support you're a hypocrite if you demand others step up for wars you don't. You were all screaming for blood on 9/12/01, with your fat yellow asses firmly entrenched under your coffee tables but none of you were willing to step up. Now we have a war that isn't as widely popular and the same people are yelling for other people to step up. I know you still don't get it convict but that's called hypocrisy.

Convict? Where the fsck did you get that Asshole? I mean I can understand your support for all wars no matter how wrong they are as your livelyhood now depends on it but just because I don't it doesn't make me some kind of Felon.

We all have our little secrets don't we "Red". As far as my livlihood is concerned I write my own ticket, war or no war. You see when security is your specialty and you can tack letters onto your name like CPP, CISSP and others coupled with lots of experience, lots of opportunities open up to you. I'm in this job because a friend from the service I owed a lot to asked me to help him out. When the programs I'm working on are established and someone else is up to speed on my job, I'll move on, maybe back into the public sector, maybe into the banking or healthcare industries. I've had offers in all three so I'm sure I'll find something pretty nice, where I want, at the right price.

I'm sure you would have to be good at your profession; how else could anyone justify hiring a headcase like you.

I guess no psych evaluation is required.

:laugh:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy
Let's see if I can explain this in small simple words that you will all understand.

1. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) call for politicins and their children to go and fight in Iraq. Why? Because they don't support the war and they think those that do should go or send their own children to fight. With me so far?

Evidently dahunan(and other hypocritical cowards) think that if you support a war you should go and fight in it. Fair enough.

2. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) state their support for the war in Afghanistan but won't get off their 4 foot wide asses to go and fight or even walk past a recruiting station. dahunan states support for war
Evidently there's some confusion about what the word 'hypocrite' means so I'll define it for you.

hypocrite - a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

For those of you still unable or unwilling to connect the dots, you have my sympathy.

For those of you calling for me to join up, I already finished over 20 years on active duty and retired so you're going to have to try and find some other duhversion.

The point he's trying to make, and I know it's way over your head, is that if these Chickenhawks were to have to serve or their children were to have to serve in Iraq they might think twice before using our soldiers as pawns for Bullsh!t wars like Iraq.

And the point I'm trying to make, which you're ignoring because you're one of them, is that if you're not willing to step up to fight the war you support you're a hypocrite if you demand others step up for wars you don't. You were all screaming for blood on 9/12/01, with your fat yellow asses firmly entrenched under your coffee tables but none of you were willing to step up. Now we have a war that isn't as widely popular and the same people are yelling for other people to step up. I know you still don't get it convict but that's called hypocrisy.

Convict? Where the fsck did you get that Asshole? I mean I can understand your support for all wars no matter how wrong they are as your livelyhood now depends on it but just because I don't it doesn't make me some kind of Felon.

We all have our little secrets don't we "Red".

True but one of mine isn't being a convict/felon or ex felon. Here's another not so secret secret, make an accusation like that again against me or anyone else and you might find yourself out of here for good.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy




And the point I'm trying to make, which you're ignoring because you're one of them, is that if you're not willing to step up to fight the war you support you're a hypocrite if you demand others step up for wars you don't.



You are saying everyone who supported the war in Iraq should go and fight it.

Fine with me, when are you going to re-up?

Like I said I'm retired and I am subject to recall until my 30 year point but even in my "civilian" job I provide direct support to the troops in the field and that includes deployments to both the ME and SW Asia.

How about you? Ever done anything besides run your suckhole on the internet? I kinda doubt it.

Ok, if it makes you feel better...

I served during the first gulf. I don't support the war (Iraq), and would refuse to participate. I would also refuse to participate in Afghanistan, but only because the current administration handles all military matters so badly that no good can come from it (as has been demonstrated). During 9/11 and just after I wasn't hiding, I was volunteering security to mosques and muslim businesses in case of redneck reprisals. I also think that politicians should be required to send their eligible children. While this may seem like an infringement, let me offer just a bit more discussion about this.

During the draft it was well known that politicians and the rich were able to get their children either exempted or at least safe duty. This is unacceptable. The people who make the decision to go to war MUST have the same chances of loss as the rest of us, with nothing more to gain. Given that so many politicians are corporate b!tches (or receiving huge payouts from them) that stand to make profit from war, I would also love to see some type of earnings freeze for all politicians (well, actually all citizens) during the war. War should NEVER make any money for anyone. One other point is that of the disparity in safety that money and position can offer. Many wealthy or 'important' people live in gated or heavily patrolled neighborhoods, can afford advanced security systems, have bodyguards, have armored vehicles, get special treatment, etc. This reduces the overall risks they face from their actions (although I admit that their public face can actually make them more of a target). This means that no matter how equal we try to make it, politicians will always have less to fear in a war, and more to gain, than the common man.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy
Like I said I'm retired and I am subject to recall until my 30 year point but even in my "civilian" job I provide direct support to the troops in the field and that includes deployments to both the ME and SW Asia.

How about you? Ever done anything besides run your suckhole on the internet? I kinda doubt it.

Quick question, Chief: Your "service", see any actual combat?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: DickFnTracy
Let's see if I can explain this in small simple words that you will all understand.

1. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) call for politicins and their children to go and fight in Iraq. Why? Because they don't support the war and they think those that do should go or send their own children to fight. With me so far?

Evidently dahunan(and other hypocritical cowards) think that if you support a war you should go and fight in it. Fair enough.

2. dahunan (and other hypocritical cowards) state their support for the war in Afghanistan but won't get off their 4 foot wide asses to go and fight or even walk past a recruiting station. dahunan states support for war

Evidently there's some confusion about what the word 'hypocrite' means so I'll define it for you.

hypocrite - a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

For those of you still unable or unwilling to connect the dots, you have my sympathy.

For those of you calling for me to join up, I already finished over 20 years on active duty and retired so you're going to have to try and find some other duhversion.

Reenlist.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Interesting.

David Sohmer of 'UltraQuiet' fame was back . . for a while.

He did a pretty good job of covering it, unlike some others that I recently recall did.

Didn't really get a bunch of posts logged before he blew his cover.
Confrontational attitude brought him down.

Simular to what XXXJonGaltXXX or 'BushBasha' did to himself - got mouthy & when someone puts 2 + 2 together . . .

well . .

Want to point out something - there a quite a few Military people, both enlisted and comissoned here,
and even more who did their time, and have been separated for some span of time, a few to very many years since departure.

Even at that, there is a sprinkling of a very few and agressively active members of the Military that seem to get their kicks
by trying to push people around, call names, insult, or even play like they can pull rank on some of us participants.
Maybe that's the assignment that they have - NSA mole.

I welcome an open minded discussion at any time, points and merits for thinking and understanding.
But the 'my way and you're wrong' approach just don't cut it.
With Colonels and a Majors and a Captains scattered in here and there, with Cheifs and Sergeants wandering the bandwidth,
you just might be mouthing off and attacking someone with a lit more class, experience, and position than you.

. . . and as UltraQuiet used to say . . . DISMISSED

(Too bad he was a hot-head, he really had a lot to say & valid points)

get it ?

 

[Rogodin2]

Don't believe what those defeatists in The Pentagon say...we are making Real Progress in Iraq.

I hope you're being sardonic.

The only thing they're doing in IRAQ is holding down small fortifications in Bagdhad-no patrols nothing-it's too hot.

Rogo

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

Don't believe what those defeatists in The Pentagon say...we are making Real Progress in Iraq.

I hope you're being sardonic.

The only thing they're doing in IRAQ is holding down small fortifications in Bagdhad-no patrols nothing-it's too hot.

Rogo

It was definitely sarcasm.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We owe it to Iraq to fix the mess we made and impeach the assholes that got us into it. The military wants out because they know their Commander in Chief is a clown and a disaster who will continue to do nothing but screw up.

Looking at Moombeam's avatar... so much for the "takes a clown to know a clown" retort.

 

[ProfJohn]

No doubt that Iraq is a mess and that there will be MANY books talking about what went wrong and how we can prevent such failure in the future.

Despite all this mess, we can not afford to withdraw from Iraq and turn the country over to terrorist and Iran. The result of that decision would leave us with a far greater mess than we have now.
Despite the constant drum beat of bad news out of Iraq the US death rate has been rather flat since Jan 05. Most of the bad news we hear coming out of Iraq is one Iraqi killing another, does anyone really think that brining home our troops will end that type of violence?

Politically, Bush has another year to show signs of improvement or else the approach of the 2008 election will cause many in his own party to start demanding action. It is when the Republicans start calling for a draw down of troops that Bush will be forced to act. When the people who oppose you are against your policy its expected, when your own party turns against you then you are in trouble.

 

[EXman]

Sounds like we created the next Rwanda singlehandedly. It's time to cut our losses and get out of there. Bush's plan failed, and not just failed, but failed spectacularly. In fact, I would be willing to make it the worst international move by the USA...in its history. Vietnam was bad, but Iraq is going to be so much worse.

holy overstating batman!

worse than vietnam? yea right!
Deathsquads exsisted in Iraq pre invasion. So What retribution is a bitch!

cut and run = France not U.S. you know the pussies

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Sounds like we created the next Rwanda singlehandedly. It's time to cut our losses and get out of there. Bush's plan failed, and not just failed, but failed spectacularly. In fact, I would be willing to make it the worst international move by the USA...in its history. Vietnam was bad, but Iraq is going to be so much worse. Maybe not as many American lives, but in terms of Iraqi deaths, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in the millions after the civil war there.

Quote-The Rwandan Genocide was the massacre of an estimated 800,000 to 1,071,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus in Rwanda, mostly carried out by two extremist Hutu militia groups, the Interahamwe and the Impuzamugambi, during a period of 100 days from April 6th through mid-July 1994.

800,000 to 1 million people killed in 100 days... so far in Iraq we have most likely 40,000 deaths over a time of 3 years.

For the sake of simple math let's say there have been 50,000 deaths in the last 3 years, at that rate it will take another 48 years to equal the number of deaths in Rwanda. Even if you believe the most extreme estimate of deaths, 100,000, it would still take 24 years to equal the number of people killed in 100 days in Rwanda.

It is hard to take anything else you say seriously when you make such an egregious exaggeration for political reasons.

Edit:Under Saddam Hussein an estimated 500,000 to 600,000 civilans died or disapeared. That averages out to about 70-125 people per day, everyday for 24 years! Add to that another 500,000 Iranians and Iraqis killed during their war and you reach about 1 million dead under Saddam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties...in_Iraq_since_2003#Civilian_casualties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide