Penryth Imminent - impact on current cpu prices?

[Wigwam]

I read in PC Pro that Intel will release 45nm CPUs on 18th Nov. Not sure if this meant retail chips or to Industry?
Can anyone clarify and if retail presumably it will drive down prices of current cpus?

I was planning to build around an E6750 but if it will drop in price a couple of weeks later I might hold off...

 

[o1die]

I would wait anyway. Within days of the release, you should see any price changes posted on pricewatch. Don't go by newegg's prices. They can fluctuate dramatically, especially on new cpus.

 

[Sylvanas]

Its just the Ultra extreme Penryn or whatever that is being released on the 18th so expect a $1000+ price tag- If you have you're heart set on a Penryn I'd wait, if not you might aswell buy now.

 

[Wigwam]

No. I just want to take advantage of reduced prices. E6750 is at the right price/performance point for me.

 

[NXIL]

Dear Wig,

based on the price history of the E6600

http://www.nextag.com/Intel-Co...479/price-history-html

which dropped about 1/3 with Intel's price cuts this last summer, if you estimate a 30% price cut for the E6750, it will go from ~$195 (Newegg) to $135 or so, assuming it falls as much--

However, since AMD at this point doesn't have a CPU that competes very well with Intel's line at that price level, Intel may not drop the price on the E6750 that much.

A rough guestimate? Maybe the price will drop $50 at most?

Oct 18 to Nov 12 or so: ~ 3-4 weeks away.

I just did a quick search at The Inquirer and Register, I could not find anything about upcoming price cuts.

The only way to make sure price cuts do happen is for you to buy the E6750: as soon as you do, the price will fall. Guaranteed.

HTH

NXIL

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: NXIL
The only way to make sure price cuts do happen is for you to buy the E6750: as soon as you do, the price will fall. Guaranteed.

QFT. Almost makes me wish Intel had a step-up program like eVGA does.

Except instead of me paying them for an upgrade, they'd end up paying me $30 to take back their E6600 and send me the new chip .

 

[Wigwam]

NXIL I hear you bud. Same will happen as soon as I buy the 2600XT days before the 8700 or 2700 comes out for the same price!

 

[taltamir]

I have often seen in the past when a new ultra high end part arrives they will simply give it a much higher price point then anything... and not drop prices on other hardware at ALL... and why SHOULD they? Prices don't magically drop on the release date because there is something newer. that would actually cause older parts to compete with the new parts...

Barring competition from another company, it usually takes a little while for prices of mid range parts to drop after a high end release... (like how the geforce 8800 ultra didn't do much for the GTS price)

Now, as soon as they release a newer mid price part you can expect prices to drop across the board... (I expect the GF 8800GT to cause price drops when it arrives)

At BEST you will have those new ultra high end parts available in a month... but then what? wait for the release from the compeditors a month afterwards? or their next part release a month after that? and so on? you can end up waiting forever... just find a non overpriced part thats out now and buy it... on sale is always good.

 

[bryanW1995]

QX9650 is the penryn part coming in nov. It will be the only penryn chip available in desktop until Q1, probably mid-january. AMD is releasing phenom a week or so later but I'd be extremely surprised if that release put much of a dent in e6750 pricing. E6750 will drop when the complete penryn line debuts in mid-january but probably not until then.

 

[jjanders]

I've been out of the loop for awhile, why exactly is Penryn supposed to be so good? I know it's supposed to be 45nm and quad core, correct? Is there anything else? People seem to be making quite the big deal about it....

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: NXIL
Dear Wig,

based on the price history of the E6600

http://www.nextag.com/Intel-Co...479/price-history-html

which dropped about 1/3 with Intel's price cuts this last summer, if you estimate a 30% price cut for the E6750, it will go from ~$195 (Newegg) to $135 or so, assuming it falls as much--

However, since AMD at this point doesn't have a CPU that competes very well with Intel's line at that price level, Intel may not drop the price on the E6750 that much.

A rough guestimate? Maybe the price will drop $50 at most?

Oct 18 to Nov 12 or so: ~ 3-4 weeks away.

I just did a quick search at The Inquirer and Register, I could not find anything about upcoming price cuts.

The only way to make sure price cuts do happen is for you to buy the E6750: as soon as you do, the price will fall. Guaranteed.

HTH

NXIL

Nope, there is no way the E6750 will drop to $135.
Intel have set price points. When new CPU's are introduced, generally the existing ones get a reduction in price to the next lowest price point, and the bottom chip gets discontinued, or sticks in price.
The E4xxx series tops out at $133, so the 6750 won't drop to $135. It will go to whatever the next lowest CPU is.

 

[NXIL]

Dear JJ,

Penryn uses a new "K dielectric" technique to reduce electron migration, and other magic electronic stuff, and also includes a new SSE4 instruction that helps with decoding video.

http://sst.pennnet.com/article...ECHN&ARTICLE_ID=283213

The new 45nm technology promises 2X increased transistor density, ~30% reduction in transistor switching power, 5X reduction in source-drain leakage power and >10X reduction in gate oxide leakage power. The reduction in gate leakage results from the fact that the gate oxide thickness can be increased using this hafnium-based high-k dielectric, which is produced by atomic layer deposition (ALD) -- though Intel did not indicate what type of ALD was used (ternary or quadrinary alloying elements, or amorphous vs. crystalline phase) or what any integration challenges were.

http://www.hothardware.com/Art...s_And_Penryn_Preview1/

http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...-performance-sse4.html

SSE4 brings a total of 47 new vector instructions to the x86 ISA, most of which are aimed at accelerating graphics, video, and coordination with coprocessor accelerators (see Intel's QuickAssist initiative, announced yesterday). There are 14 video-oriented instructions for accelerating subpixel filtering, search, and 4x4 SAD (sum of absolute differences?a performance-critical part of H.264 encoding). On the graphics side, Intel says it has added "32 common graphics primitives, generalized for compiler auto-vectorization." SSE4 also speeds up streaming loads and improves access to device memory.

So, smaller, in theory cheaper (more CPUs per wafer means price should be able to come down) faster, cooler, better.....

NXIL

 

[jjanders]

Thanks. I'm thinking of putting together a new comp and trying to decide if I should wait or not.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: NXIL
Dear Wig,

based on the price history of the E6600

http://www.nextag.com/Intel-Co...479/price-history-html

which dropped about 1/3 with Intel's price cuts this last summer, if you estimate a 30% price cut for the E6750, it will go from ~$195 (Newegg) to $135 or so, assuming it falls as much--

However, since AMD at this point doesn't have a CPU that competes very well with Intel's line at that price level, Intel may not drop the price on the E6750 that much.

A rough guestimate? Maybe the price will drop $50 at most?

Oct 18 to Nov 12 or so: ~ 3-4 weeks away.

I just did a quick search at The Inquirer and Register, I could not find anything about upcoming price cuts.

The only way to make sure price cuts do happen is for you to buy the E6750: as soon as you do, the price will fall. Guaranteed.

HTH

NXIL

Nope, there is no way the E6750 will drop to $135.
Intel have set price points. When new CPU's are introduced, generally the existing ones get a reduction in price to the next lowest price point, and the bottom chip gets discontinued, or sticks in price.
The E4xxx series tops out at $133, so the 6750 won't drop to $135. It will go to whatever the next lowest CPU is.

The E6xxx Series is the premium Core 2 Duo line, so it won't fall any further then $163 USD a the most, if that occurs it will pretty much equal the E8200 in price when it comes out. The E6550 will simply remain at $163 since they can't go any lower for this particular line.

 

[bryanW1995]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...rd-voltage.2C_45_nm.29

I would guess that e6750 will drop to 163, but that won't happen until mid january. that's 3 mos to wait, and you're not going to get a whole lot of performance improvement in an e8200 over an e6750.