Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Sent Back to Lower Court for reconsideration

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Bowfinger

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Hey, you didn't accuse me of being a racist, only a homosexual! That's personal growth. Looks like someone's going to get a smiley face.
Homosexual? Not at all. Given the highly emotional nature of your "reasoning" and your dramatic mood swings, I've come to assume you're a teenage girl, still struggling to manage your monthly cycles. In any case, I have no idea what your sexual preferences may be, nor do I care.
 

werepossum

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Homosexual? Not at all. Given the highly emotional nature of your "reasoning" and your dramatic mood swings, I've come to assume you're a teenage girl, still struggling to manage your monthly cycles. In any case, I have no idea what your sexual preferences may be, nor do I care.
Great, now you're insulting women.

Maybe you'd care to add something about cripples while you're on a roll?

Proper reasoning: All proggie, all the time! It's BETTER than thinking!
Dramatic mood swings: Only sometimes agrees with you rather than the 100% conformity required.
 

Bowfinger

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Great, now you're insulting women.
You'll get over it.


Maybe you'd care to add something about cripples while you're on a roll?
Nah, I'm making a habit of ignoring Cybrsage.


Proper reasoning: All proggie, all the time! It's BETTER than thinking!
Dramatic mood swings: Only sometimes agrees with you rather than the 100% conformity required.
Speaking of not thinking, your attempt to spin this is nonsense. I'm talking about the way you can often offer substantive, thoughtful posts, even though I may disagree with them, while at other times pooping out vapid, trollish turds like "If the answer came from the left, it was 'racism'.", or some of your hate speech against those less fortunate than we are. You seem to have two distinct personalities, one the intelligent conservative P&N so badly lacks; the other a witless troll just like Cybr/Nehalem/Incorrigible.
 

Bowfinger

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In any case, this is a promising ruling. Let's hope it forces a bit higher standard in evaluating these voter suppression laws. As I mentioned in another thread recently, the Texas law was also recently blocked. I didn't have a link at the time, nor have I seen it in any other threads, so I'll add it here: Texas Voter-ID Law is Blocked
A federal court on Thursday blocked a Texas law that would have required voters to show photo identification, ruling that the legislation would impose “strict, unforgiving burdens” on poor minority voters.

Describing the law as the most stringent in the country, the unanimous decision by a three-judge panel marks the first time that a federal court has blocked a voter-ID law. It will reverberate politically through the November elections. Republicans and Democrats have been arguing over whether tough voter-ID laws in a number of states discriminate against African Americans and Hispanics.

The panel at the U.S. District Court in Washington ruled that Texas had failed to show that the statute would not harm the voting rights of minorities in the state. In addition, the judges found that evidence indicated that the cost of obtaining a photo ID to vote would fall most heavily on African American and Hispanic voters.

Evidence submitted by Texas to prove that its law did not discriminate was “unpersuasive, invalid, or both,” David S. Tatel, a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, wrote in the panel’s 56-page opinion. Voting Rights Act cases must be decided by a special panel of three federal judges.

The ruling followed a decision Tuesday by another three-judge panel in Washington that found the Republican-controlled Texas legislature had intentionally discriminated against Hispanics in drawing new legislative districts. ...
Another step in the right direction.
 

Bowfinger

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Bow Bow Bow...you really have lost it. You need to talk to your doctor to see about changing the levels of your meds.
I see you also fail at mime. Is there anything you can do to justify your existence by entertaining us? Surely you can't fail at everything. Let's revisit shooting things out of your nose. Have you tried that?
 

cybrsage

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I see you also fail at mime. Is there anything you can do to justify your existence by entertaining us? Surely you can't fail at everything. Let's revisit shooting things out of your nose. Have you tried that?
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If you never encounter anything in your community that offends you, you're not living in a free society.
 

werepossum

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SNIP
Speaking of not thinking, your attempt to spin this is nonsense. I'm talking about the way you can often offer substantive, thoughtful posts, even though I may disagree with them, while at other times pooping out vapid, trollish turds like "If the answer came from the left, it was 'racism'.", or some of your hate speech against those less fortunate than we are. You seem to have two distinct personalities, one the intelligent conservative P&N so badly lacks; the other a witless troll just like Cybr/Nehalem/Incorrigible.
From this thread:
Originally Posted by a777pilot
Let the blacks vote!

Let the elderly vote vote!
Fixed for you.

Give it up, even the Republican Lawyers group that did a study pretty much found that 'voter fraud' is not a problem at all, it's just angry racist republcians being miffed that 'coloreds' and old folk are allowed to vote.

From the media:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-yet-another-tricky-racist-law_n_1803319.html (Bill Maher: Voter ID Yet Another 'Tricky, Racist Law')

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffre...rat-john-lewis-whine-voter-id-laws-are-racist (MSNBC Brings On Democrat John Lewis To Whine That Voter ID Laws Are Racist)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOy2dw9hM64 (MSNBC Host: Voter ID Laws a Racist GOP Conspiracy)

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/co...polinaut/archive/2012/02/racism_alleged.shtml (Racism alleged in voter ID campaign)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...for-voter-ID-laws-linked-to-racial-resentment (Support for voter ID laws linked to racial resentment)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021172280 (DOJ offers guidelines for acceptable racist Voter ID laws)

http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/1007/voter_id.html (Voter ID Laws: Racist Attack on Voting Rights)

Wow, you certainly put me in my place. How did I ever get the idea that the left was screaming racism? Hmm, my bad. I must have confused it with every other issue.
 

Bowfinger

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From this thread:




From the media:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-yet-another-tricky-racist-law_n_1803319.html (Bill Maher: Voter ID Yet Another 'Tricky, Racist Law')

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffre...rat-john-lewis-whine-voter-id-laws-are-racist (MSNBC Brings On Democrat John Lewis To Whine That Voter ID Laws Are Racist)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOy2dw9hM64 (MSNBC Host: Voter ID Laws a Racist GOP Conspiracy)

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/co...polinaut/archive/2012/02/racism_alleged.shtml (Racism alleged in voter ID campaign)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...for-voter-ID-laws-linked-to-racial-resentment (Support for voter ID laws linked to racial resentment)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021172280 (DOJ offers guidelines for acceptable racist Voter ID laws)

http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/1007/voter_id.html (Voter ID Laws: Racist Attack on Voting Rights)

Wow, you certainly put me in my place. How did I ever get the idea that the left was screaming racism? Hmm, my bad. I must have confused it with every other issue.
Nice duhversion Sparky, but that wasn't the question asked nor is it what you said. You in effect insinuated that "racism" is the left's answer to everything. Unfortunately, your purported "proof" above is about a single issue that does, in fact, contain racist underpinnings given the statistical fact that minorities are one demographic most likely to be impacted by these voter suppression laws. You crying about this unpleasant truth is just as phony as Debbie Wasserman Schulz (sp?) crying about being called partisan. If the heels fit, wear 'em.
 

Bitek

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I use my signature to use my CC. Why is my signature not good enough to verify my voter reg?

The constitution has no requirement for photo ID. None of those other activities are guaranteed by the constitution.
 

Jhhnn

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From this thread:

From the media:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-yet-another-tricky-racist-law_n_1803319.html (Bill Maher: Voter ID Yet Another 'Tricky, Racist Law')

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffre...rat-john-lewis-whine-voter-id-laws-are-racist (MSNBC Brings On Democrat John Lewis To Whine That Voter ID Laws Are Racist)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOy2dw9hM64 (MSNBC Host: Voter ID Laws a Racist GOP Conspiracy)

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/co...polinaut/archive/2012/02/racism_alleged.shtml (Racism alleged in voter ID campaign)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...for-voter-ID-laws-linked-to-racial-resentment (Support for voter ID laws linked to racial resentment)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021172280 (DOJ offers guidelines for acceptable racist Voter ID laws)

http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/1007/voter_id.html (Voter ID Laws: Racist Attack on Voting Rights)

Wow, you certainly put me in my place. How did I ever get the idea that the left was screaming racism? Hmm, my bad. I must have confused it with every other issue.

so You find the truth to be disconcerting, use denial to resolve the cognitive dissonance?

It'd almost be refreshing for "conservatives" to quit being so disingenuous, so self righteous & self serving, just use this clip as a campaign ad-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

Just tell us that you're trying to implement his vision to be believable... He doesn't want everybody to vote, and neither do you. the idea actually terrifies conservatives, because they instinctively recognize the truth in what he's saying, that they'd really be screwed if every eligible citizen actually voted.
 

Bowfinger

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I use my signature to use my CC. Why is my signature not good enough to verify my voter reg?

The constitution has no requirement for photo ID. None of those other activities are guaranteed by the constitution.
Moreover, as has been explained many times in the many other threads where this canard has been floated, most of those things do not require driver's licenses ... depending on who you are and where you live. The only two that invariably do are flying, thanks to TSA rules, and driving (which is the whole purpose of a Drivers License). I've been carded for alcohol exactly twice in my life, IIRC. I've been asked for ID only once when using a credit card. I'm rarely asked for ID when using checks. I've never been asked for ID when going to a movie. I have been asked for ID when I've moved to a new job, but that's not a factor for people who have worked at the same company for 20+ years, or those who are retired. In short, people who are regularly asked for ID may need to recognize that they aren't the center of the universe, that their world is not some universal constant that applies to everyone equally.
 

Moonbeam

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From this thread:

Wow, you certainly put me in my place. How did I ever get the idea that the left was screaming racism? Hmm, my bad. I must have confused it with every other issue.

Pay no attention to liberals. They would scream racism just as easily if the new voter suppression laws forbade anybody from voting who had a slave in their ancestry. Everybody knows that any race can be enslaved. It would have nothing to do with race but the transmission of a dependency mentality that would keep unhealthy mentality from voting.

No, this race argument is absurd. It is only by chance that Mexicans and Blacks vote democratic and are less well off than whites, have fewer driver's licenses, less time to vote, and hundreds of other issues that can be used against them for being unworthy of a voting privilege. No, don't let anybody put you in your place. You just keep thinking voter fraud is rampant and you're the savior of the United States.

This is one progressive that says the voter suppression being carried out by Republicans isn't racist, it's just voter suppression of Democrats who just happen to have a nicer tone of skin.
 

Bitek

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How can you say it's almost non existent when there is no way to know without an ID?

As already outlined above, and verified by Perk, you have to sign the voter roll, cross-checked by the poll worker, before you are allowed to vote.

If someone somehow manages to steal your identity, (know your name, show up at your polling place, wait in line (sometimes > 1hr) and successfully forge your signature) we should have some reports of people showing up to vote only to get to their turn and discovering their vote already taken.

You would think someone would complain? Thousands of votes are being stolen and everyone just says "ah f*ck it, I prolly came by this morning and just forgot."
 

Schmide

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ROFLMAO!

Gee, I wonder why?

Does the Constitution put any limits or requirements to vote?

Limits to three fifths of a person for some people?

Edit: Note this was just for representation, the 3/5 people still couldn't vote.
 
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a777pilot

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Limits to three fifths of a person for some people?

Edit: Note this was just for representation, the 3/5 people still couldn't vote.

I wonder if you have any idea what this 3/5 of a person is really about in our Constitution.

The South wanted to count all slaves for the purpose of apportionment of Members of Congress. The North did not want to count them at all because the were not free citizens. The 3/5 of the total number of slaves, not 3/5 of a person, was the compromise.


I wonder if any of you actually read and/or study US history.
 

shira

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Actually, yes,I understand that. I am also NOT a great advocate of these Voter ID Laws. They do not, repeat, NOT help solve the real problem of voter fraud and election fraud. That they do is draw attention to the real problem.

My solution to voter fraud would to have a one time edit of all voter registration rolls to remove the dead, the illegal and the just made up. Then I would require all that wish to vote to actually prove they are who they say they are and that they are legal to vote.

This, I understand will never, ever happen. The Democrats would fight it tooth and nail.

Then there is the problem of election fraud. You know, where things like more votes are counted than voters. To understand how this works please refer to how LBJ got to Washington, D.C.

What is the worst documented case of "the real problem of voter fraud and election fraud" you can cite from the past, oh, 20 years. And by how much was the fraudulent vote total different from the correct vote total? Please provide this information. Since you seem to think that "voter fraud and election fraud" is a "real problem" in the U.S., I'm sure that you have this worst-case information handy.
 

shira

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One more question for our principled right-wing forum members:

Which is more likely to swing the result of an election:

1) Registered voters who are actually NOT qualified to vote but who are allowed to vote because there is no voter ID law in their state, or
2) Registered voters who are qualified to vote but who will not vote because of the time, money, and trouble (whether actual or merely perceived) of obtaining a required ID card?
 

Schmide

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I wonder if you have any idea what this 3/5 of a person is really about in our Constitution.

Did I not clarify that???

The South wanted to count all slaves for the purpose of apportionment of Members of Congress. The North did not want to count them at all because the were not free citizens. The 3/5 of the total number of slaves, not 3/5 of a person, was the compromise.


I wonder if any of you actually read and/or study US history.

Thus the Representation comment!

Logically it was a limit on voting because they couldn't vote, yet they were directly counted as populous. (subpopulous)
 

GarfieldtheCat

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This is proof that it is not being done for political reasons, unlike what a lot of idiots say.

LOL at our troll being wrong once again. And you still refuse to honor your bet that you welched on too. So classy, but hey, you are a confirmed troll.

Let me help you out with some facts (those things that you hate):

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Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done,” Turzai said at this weekend’s Republican State Committee meeting ,

So a GOP state congresman is claim it will help romney win. Hmmm.

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The state signed a stipulation agreement with lawyers for the plaintiffs which acknowledges there “have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.”

404 No evidence of voter fraud found....Ooops!

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The state also says it won't present "any evidence or argument" that in-person voter fraud is likely to occur on Election Day if the voter ID law isn't enacted.

So the state even admits that there won't be any voter fraud if the law isn't passed. Double Oops!


And the same thing in Florida:

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The former Florida GOP Chairman said, “There’s no doubt that what the Republican led legislature in Florida and Governor Scott are trying to do is make sure the Republican party has an advantage in this upcoming election by reducing early voting and putting roadblocks up for potential voters, Latinos, African Americans to register and then to exercise their right to vote. There’s no doubt. I was in the room. It’s part of the strategy.”

“In three and a half years as Chairman in Florida, I never had one meeting where voter fraud was discussed as a real issue effecting elections. Never one time,” Greer told Sharpton.

So everyone admits (legally and officially) there is no voter fraud, so why are the GOP trying to pass the laws?

The answer is from what the GOP members have said, they want to eliminate poor voters that mostly vote Democrat.
 

EagleKeeper

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Maybe the poor democratic voters (wanna be voters) need to get with the program and get an ID to block the Republican grandois plans.

they have been told for how long that they will need one.
Interesting that the lady leading the Dem fight in PA had no problem going and getting an Id this past week with no issues.

Seems like the Dems want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
 

cybrsage

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LOL at our troll being wrong once again. And you still refuse to honor your bet that you welched on too. So classy, but hey, you are a confirmed troll.

Let me help you out with some facts (those things that you hate):

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So a GOP state congresman is claim it will help romney win. Hmmm.

Of course it will...the dead and illegals vote democrat almost exclusively. Removing them from voting will hurt the dems greatly. I am surprised you agree with this, though it is a welcome change from your normal lying.


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404 No evidence of voter fraud found....Ooops!

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So the state even admits that there won't be any voter fraud if the law isn't passed. Double Oops!

You obviously do not know what is required in such a court case. The state is not required to prove why the law is needed - those opposed to it must prove why it is not needed. Your idiotic demand that the state do something it is not required to do is soundly laughed at. HA HA!


And the same thing in Florida:

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Florida is not Pennsylvania. Do all libs have problems understanding basic policial boundaries, or are we just "blessed" with an over abundance your kind here?


So everyone admits (legally and officially) there is no voter fraud, so why are the GOP trying to pass the laws?

Whoa, that is a huge leap in logic....but since logic and you have not been on friendly terms for decades, it is no suprise you fail here. Someone saying they cannot show something exists does not mean that something does not exist. There is a well known phrase: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. You really need to remember that phrase, it will save you in the future.



I noticed you did not answer the open question to all those who say photo ID is voter suppression. Give it a shot:

Do you support the voter suppression caused by mandatory voter registration? If so, why?