Peltier Cooling ?

QN

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What is the best way to coole a Peltier element ?¿?
And what the hell is a Colt Plate for Peltier elements ?

Plz help me :)

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nateholtrop

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Peltier cooling is the best way to chill your cpu.

a cold plater is a small plate with one extremely hot side and one cold side it draws the hot air off of your cpu through your copper plate on top of it. just get a peltier dont get anythign else.
 

Howard

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<< a cold plater is a small plate with one extremely hot side and one cold side it draws the hot air off of your cpu through your copper plate on top of it. just get a peltier dont get anythign else. >>



A cold plate is a plate that is placed upon the peltier element's cold side, absorbing the cold, and distributing it to the core, acting as a temperature reservoir of sorts. It's recommended to get a cold plate along with your peltier, for colder temps and easier sealing (to prevent condensation from escaping its barriers). Another thing, cold plates aren't always copper, although it's better as a material because of better conduction of heat.
 

Howard

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Another thing, TEC's aren't the best way to cool your processor. Liquid nitrogen is.
 

Howard

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For your first question, it doesn't make sense because peltiers are used to cool processors. However, if you are talking about its hot side, then a waterblock with circulating water, pumped by a pump ;), and cooled by either ice in the reservoir or a radiator.
 

nateholtrop

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yes but peltier is a cheaper way and much safer way. unless you switch the hot and cold sides on your peltier.

 

nateholtrop

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yes but peltier is a cheaper way and much safer way. unless you switch the hot and cold sides on your peltier.

 

pm

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The word &quot;best&quot; is hard. Is the best way the most efficient? Then it's definitely a water cooler. Is the best way the easiest? Then it's a big heat sink and fan. The cheapest? Again, a heat sink and fan. Just get a big heatsink and a big/fast fan because TEC's kick off a lot of heat.

A cold plate, as Yucky said in his first post, is a chunk of metal sandwiched in between the TEC/Peltier. Copper is common, aluminium works ok.
 

utopia

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<< acting as a temperature reservoir of sorts. >>



A bit true, but the main reason is the fact that the peltier doesn?t always pump away the same amount of heat from the coldside, so some parts of the coldside are usually a bit warmer then others. The cold plate distributes the temperature evenly.



<< Another thing, TEC's aren't the best way to cool your processor. Liquid nitrogen is. >>



Nope, TEC-STACK cooled by LN is... Usually found in 3/5 stage configurations. Can reach lower than -210 (63.15K).

Also pick a peltier for your needs, consider the correct; Qmax: DT = 0°, I = Imax, V = Vmax, and TH = °C.
 

utopia

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<< Then it's definitely a water cooler. Is the best way the easiest? Then it's a big heat sink and fan. The cheapest? Again, a heat sink and fan. Just get a big heatsink and a big/fast fan because TEC's kick off a lot of heat. >>



No bud, the best (most efficient) way to cool your single peltier (or TEC stack) is with Freon-gas (R12, R22, R139, Puron), just like Kryotech and VapoChill systems, only with the evaporator cooling the TEC (hot side). I have reached below -70C (203k) with such systems.

Water-cooling is very effective as well, i am typing this on a -15C TEC water-cooled system right now :p
 

Rigoletto

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Utopia &quot;i am typing this on a -15C TEC water-cooled system right now&quot;.
Ha ha very ironic because he could type it just as well on an 8MHz Amstrad word processing &quot;PC&quot;.*
The word is &quot;OVERKILL&quot; (just pulling your leg Utopia).

*oh OK then let's say a 386 board that can take a feasible modem.
 

Eeks

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I think I like cooling more than I like performance. Is there something wrong with me?
 

pm

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Ok, Utopia, I'll grant you that Freon refrigeration is far more effective at cooling than water, but efficient? This is debatable.

If you define efficiency as energy input versus delta T output, an open reservoir water cooling system is pretty hard to beat. Freon requires a compressor and a pump. Water cooling simply requires a pump. The water reservoir will gradually heat up, but you can always set up a passive radiator.

But from a definition of efficiency being delta T versus cost, water wins hands down over either freon or a fan/heatsink combo. How much does a reasonably sized Freon refrigeration system cost? How much does a water based system cost? Which is more efficient in terms of cooling per buck? I think it could be argued - depending on where you buy your set up - that water is more efficient.

Of course, I'm nitpicking - but then so were you. :)
 

utopia

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Well, i am using a nice 125mm raditor with a 131CFM 120mm fan to cool my water, and it stays at around 20C / 27C :D , my CPU is at around -10C -20C... With the same setup i can reach around -35C with the Vapochill and a 72W pelt... Watercooling is the way to go, but Freon all the way if you have the $$$...
 

RagingGuardian

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Utopia, how much were you able to overclock your original cpu with the peltier/water cooling combo? I'm thinking of getting a peltier system but it wouldn't be worth it if I couldn't get some serious MHz out of my system.
 

utopia

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Its a PIII cB0 700MHz FCPGA, running at 1050MHz (1.95V)... I can only do 900MHz with the PEP66, so supercooling got me 150 more Mhz.. I also had a cb0 PIII 850Mhz which could do 1.3+GHz with this setup.
 

Syborg1211

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so what is the highest watt peltier i can use with my alpha pep66 and arctic silver thermal grease?
 

utopia

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Nice core you got there... ;) I think that you can do 1.1Ghz 1.95V at somewhere around 0C -10C