Pelosi: Trump isn’t worth impeachment

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
24,929
9,208
136
“I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.”

Ohhh boy...way to throw a red flag in front of the progressives! Basically, her argument is that he isn’t worth impeaching because he’s great for building Democrat support.

“Trump’s been a great organizer for Democrats, a great fundraiser for Democrats and a great mobilizer at the grass-roots level for Democrats. And I think that’s good for America.”

I almost want to agree with her, because I know impeachment is a fruitless exercise, and it’s a marked contrast to what Repugs did to Clinton—but then if we can’t impeach someone who likely committed high crimes and misdemeanors to get elected, during inauguration and since...then why should anyone respect the rule of law? Congress has a job to do. It’s not just about what’s politically convenient or not...you gotta do your job. Even if you don’t start impeachment proceedings, you’ve got to uncover all the evidence.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
14,898
7,426
136
What with the Repub controlled Senate more than willing to block any attempts at impeaching their useful idiot, it's pretty much a futile thing to do.

Her mentioning the caveat that Trump's crimes would have to be so compelling that even the Senate Repubs couldn't risk blocking his impeachment is something that to me, seems likely to happen though.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
64,137
12,456
136
The House could probably get enough votes to impeach, but the Senate would never convict...so it would be a waste of time and political resources.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
11,715
8,175
136
I think her point is well taken that the constitution we so love and abide by is basically toilet paper to wipe one's ass at this point.

The country isn't united anymore and it should be split apart into different countries with a unified defense treaty. It's the only thing that binds us if that binds us at all since we know the GOP is now in bed with Russia.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthKyrie

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
59,200
13,791
136
“I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.”

Ohhh boy...way to throw a red flag in front of the progressives! Basically, her argument is that he isn’t worth impeaching because he’s great for building Democrat support.

“Trump’s been a great organizer for Democrats, a great fundraiser for Democrats and a great mobilizer at the grass-roots level for Democrats. And I think that’s good for America.”

I almost want to agree with her, because I know impeachment is a fruitless exercise, and it’s a marked contrast to what Repugs did to Clinton—but then if we can’t impeach someone who likely committed high crimes and misdemeanors to get elected, during inauguration and since...then why should anyone respect the rule of law? Congress has a job to do. It’s not just about what’s politically convenient or not...you gotta do your job. Even if you don’t start impeachment proceedings, you’ve got to uncover all the evidence.
The main issue is that they've determined their job is mostly to stymy the Democrats.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthKyrie

jameny5

Senior member
Aug 7, 2018
300
77
101
“I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.”

Ohhh boy...way to throw a red flag in front of the progressives! Basically, her argument is that he isn’t worth impeaching because he’s great for building Democrat support.

“Trump’s been a great organizer for Democrats, a great fundraiser for Democrats and a great mobilizer at the grass-roots level for Democrats. And I think that’s good for America.”

I almost want to agree with her, because I know impeachment is a fruitless exercise, and it’s a marked contrast to what Repugs did to Clinton—but then if we can’t impeach someone who likely committed high crimes and misdemeanors to get elected, during inauguration and since...then why should anyone respect the rule of law? Congress has a job to do. It’s not just about what’s politically convenient or not...you gotta do your job. Even if you don’t start impeachment proceedings, you’ve got to uncover all the evidence.
You are absolutely right. I always said if she got the gavel again that would be her posture. I still feel we should bring those articles of impeachment against her wishes. Defy that old winch!

" I almost want to agree with her, because I know impeachment is a fruitless exercise, and it’s a marked contrast to what Repugs did to Clinton—but then if we can’t impeach someone who likely committed high crimes and misdemeanors to get elected, during inauguration and since...then why should anyone respect the rule of law? Congress has a job to do. It’s not just about what’s politically convenient or not...you gotta do your job. Even if you don’t start impeachment proceedings, you’ve got to uncover all the evidence."
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthKyrie

Commodus

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 2004
9,215
6,818
136
You want to impeach him and have a potentially sympathetic voting public for the GOP when there’s no public appetite for it and no way it passed..... or still have that POS on the ballet in 2020 dragging down the entire GOP?

Seems an easy choice to me.

Well, he'll likely still be on the ballot regardless, because the only way to remove him from office is for the Senate to vote for a conviction -- and that won't happen as long as the Republicans have the majority.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
You want to impeach him and have a potentially sympathetic voting public for the GOP when there’s no public appetite for it and no way it passed..... or still have that POS on the ballet in 2020 dragging down the entire GOP?

Seems an easy choice to me.

She already released the hounds, anyway. Let's see what they track down.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jameny5

LurchFrinky

Senior member
Nov 12, 2003
303
57
91
I disagree with the notion that the process shouldn't start just because it will fail. Sometimes you just have to show that you are willing to fight.

On the one hand, Pelosi may have a better appreciation of the political risks involved and is playing the smart move. On the other hand, we have seen politicians that say and do things that are just stupid and we know that they make mistakes. I don't think that Trump's impeachment will make it through the senate, but I don't see how it will cost the Democrats votes if they start the process.
This isn't a witch hunt/fishing expedition like we saw with Clinton, we have numerous guilty pleas and convictions and the polls indicate that most Americans believe Trump is a criminal. To think that this will turn voters away from Democrats and towards Republicans is a stretch at best.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
47,990
37,161
136
You want to impeach him and have a potentially sympathetic voting public for the GOP when there’s no public appetite for it and no way it passed..... or still have that POS on the ballet in 2020 dragging down the entire GOP?

Seems an easy choice to me.

From a political perspective a half dozen congressional investigations uncovering new scandals is MUCH harder for him to effectively fight than a doomed to fail impeachment attempt.

More broadly a discussion should probably be had about how impeachment has largely failed us as a practical political remedy, especially in the face of an outright criminal occupying the office. Sitting presidents should not be immune from indictment at a bare minimum.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
Well, he'll likely still be on the ballot regardless, because the only way to remove him from office is for the Senate to vote for a conviction -- and that won't happen as long as the Republicans have the majority.

I wouldn't be quite so sure. McConnell is a ruthless old bastard who'll deal with whatever comes when it comes. We don't know what that is so we don't know what he'll do, at least not for sure. I mean, you know- no act of betrayal is beneath him.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
23,972
13,488
136
I think her point is well taken that the constitution we so love and abide by is basically toilet paper to wipe one's ass at this point.

The country isn't united anymore and it should be split apart into different countries with a unified defense treaty. It's the only thing that binds us if that binds us at all since we know the GOP is now in bed with Russia.

That would literally put Russia at your door step ... or over your door step... with Vlads hands on your nukes...
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
17,102
14,440
146
She said he wasn’t worth impeaching unless it was something major.
So when the house and/or Mueller turn up something major she can impeach him and claim she never wanted to but was forced into it due to the severity of his transgressions.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BadTrip and Muse

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
47,990
37,161
136
I wouldn't be quite so sure. McConnell is a ruthless old bastard who'll deal with whatever comes when it comes. We don't know what that is so we don't know what he'll do, at least not for sure. I mean, you know- no act of betrayal is beneath him.

Incumbents are fucked in the primaries if they buck Trump. Staying in office is Turtle's job #1.

Trump could have committed actual treason and they would not convict.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
11,715
8,175
136
That would literally put Russia at your door step ... or over your door step... with Vlads hands on your nukes...

The military industrial complex would sure like us to believe that.

But honestly what does Russia gain by trying to colonize America vs disrupting and weakening America which they are doing currently?

The logistics of that doesn't make sense for them.. technically foreign invasions don't make sense for us either but we do it anyways because..
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
Incumbents are fucked in the primaries if they buck Trump. Staying in office is Turtle's job #1.

Trump could have committed actual treason and they would not convict.

Well, yeh, but there are 30 or so GOP senators who don't face the voters until 2022 or 2024. Just sayin' there's more to it. Trump & Ryan double crossed McConnell into having to support the shutdown he clearly didn't want. Fucked him. He won't forget that. Given the right opportunity, he'll savor revenge like a glass of fine Kentucky bourbon on the rocks.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
If he's guilty, he should be impeached. I don't care if the senate announces in advance that they won't act, the house has a job to do, and they should do it. It's what they're paid for.

It's like hunting a grizzly bear in close cover. Figure you'll only get one shot. Bring a big enough gun to do the job.
 

OrByte

Diamond Member
Jul 21, 2000
9,302
144
106
If Muller's report has any findings of unlawful conduct by Donald Trump, then it really doesn't matter what Pelosi has to say TODAY about impeachment.

Congress will do what is right. If Trump is charged with something. BTW- I think those charges can come from the SDNY or the DOJ, or both.