Pedophiles caught using computer generated imagery.

[inf1nity]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/sweetie-catches-online-predators-100-indians-among-them-442039

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/v...edophiles-worldwide-441553?h_related_also_see

lol.. how can somebody be so retarded as to not be able to tell the difference between a real human and a rendered image?

 

[Doppel]

I'm against people convicted of "child porn" that uses completely fake images. I think it is like a thought police.

These cases seem morally dubious to me as well. You're going to convict guys of asking for naked pics of a non-existent human. I get the point: you think that IF it were a real human you would have had the same result, a legitimate catching, but in this case it wasn't a real human.

 

[vi edit]

I'm against people convicted of "child porn" that uses completely fake images. I think it is like a thought police.

These cases seem morally dubious to me as well. You're going to convict guys of asking for naked pics of a non-existent human. I get the point: you think that IF it were a real human you would have had the same result, a legitimate catching, but in this case it wasn't a real human.

Child porn is illegal. And you can be convicted for trading "computer generated child porn".

Picking up hookers and then beating them dead with a crowbar is illegal. But any 17 year old with $59 to spare can do the computer generated version of that in GTAV. And that's perfectly legal.

I don't deny that pediphiles have a serious mental illness that the 17 year old doesn't and this is just encouraging it. But still..

Slippery slope indeed.

 

[rudeguy]

I don't see why we let these people dirty up the gene pool.

 

[flexy]

In such areas where prostitution is illegal, aren't people caught by female cops posing as prostitutes? In such cases obviously ALSO no prostitution took place, the guys didn't even talk to a prostitute, but to an under-cover cop. Obviously THE INTENT is enough to have it qualify as a crime.

 

[Doppel]

Child porn is illegal. And you can be convicted for trading "computer generated child porn".

Picking up hookers and then beating them dead with a crowbar is illegal. But any 17 year old with $59 to spare can do the computer generated version of that in GTAV. And that's perfectly legal.

I don't deny that pediphiles have a serious mental illness that the 17 year old doesn't and this is just encouraging it. But still..

Slippery slope indeed.

Precisely. Murder is illegal, too, but not if done in a movie.

 

[Anubis]

didnt we (the USA) pass a law a few years ago about this, they consider digital images of under age persons (think lolicon) the same as the real thing


also looking at the pic in teh article i cant see how anyone would not realize that was fake

 

[uclaLabrat]

In such areas where prostitution is illegal, aren't people caught by female cops posing as prostitutes? In such cases obviously ALSO no prostitution took place, the guys didn't even talk to a prostitute, but to an under-cover cop. Obviously THE INTENT is enough to have it qualify as a crime.

That's one of the biggest double standards in law also...if you didn't intend to do something, but still did it, well, sucks to be you, you broke the law. If you DID intend to do something but didn't ACTUALLY do it, well, that's still a crime too.

 

[Jaskalas]

We need to identify what's wrong with these people. Could be as simple as a bad gene, right?

I'd hate to think they actually chose to pursue little victims just cause they weren't getting any with adults.

 

[halik]

Ehh cops catch people in drug stings where there are no actual drugs being exchanged. Feds caught couple of the wanna-be terrorists by handing them fake explosives. I don't really see much distinction there, since you're really after the criminal intent anyway.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

We need to identify what's wrong with these people. Could be as simple as a bad gene, right?

I'd hate to think they actually chose to pursue little victims just cause they weren't getting any with adults.

It isn't necessarily a choice. It is a sexual preference for the most part. People don't choose what arouses them.

People do have they choice to not act on it. If someone is prone to fits of rage we don't give them a free pass just because that is how they were born. If someone prefers to masturbate while being a peeping tom we don't let them free because it is how they were born.

Pedophiles suffer from an illness, but it is something they can absolutely control. There is no fix or cure for it, just like there is no fix for being gay. A huge difference is that gay people generally have sex with consenting adults whereas pedophiles cannot have consenual sex with their objects of affection ever.

In the article there were 1000 men asking this CG child to perform sexual acts. This is way above and beyond looking at an obviously computer generated image. They thought it was real. And there was no entrapment. The "child" walked into the room and they started offering cash to watch.

 

[akahoovy]

It isn't necessarily a choice. It is a sexual preference for the most part. People don't choose what arouses them.

People do have they choice to not act on it. If someone is prone to fits of rage we don't give them a free pass just because that is how they were born. If someone prefers to masturbate while being a peeping tom we don't let them free because it is how they were born.

Pedophiles suffer from an illness, but it is something they can absolutely control. There is no fix or cure for it, just like there is no fix for being gay. A huge difference is that gay people generally have sex with consenting adults whereas pedophiles cannot have consenual sex with their objects of affection ever.

In the article there were 1000 men asking this CG child to perform sexual acts. This is way above and beyond looking at an obviously computer generated image. They thought it was real. And there was no entrapment. The "child" walked into the room and they started offering cash to watch.

Oh you've done it now. You compared pedophilia to being gay.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Oh you've done it now. You compared pedophilia to being gay.

To clarify, it is a sexual preference. I guess I could have compared it to being hetero as well, but hetero is the standard.

Being gay is a sexual preference that is different than the norm but is between consenting adults and causes no harm.

Pedophilia is a sexual preference that is different but causes harm.

There is also hebephilia and all sorts of other sexual preferences. Sexual preferences are fine as long as they don't harm people. Maybe you can only get off when raping someone...that doesn't mean rape should be taken lightly.

 

[exdeath]

Was going to go off on a rant about how someone found a alternative means to meet their "needs" that didn't involve violating real people and shouldn't be crucified for that.

But then I actually read the article and these were people who thought they were paying for and seeing a real child, so they can diaf.

 

[Remobz]

It isn't necessarily a choice. It is a sexual preference for the most part. People don't choose what arouses them.

People do have they choice to not act on it. If someone is prone to fits of rage we don't give them a free pass just because that is how they were born. If someone prefers to masturbate while being a peeping tom we don't let them free because it is how they were born.

Pedophiles suffer from an illness, but it is something they can absolutely control. There is no fix or cure for it, just like there is no fix for being gay. A huge difference is that gay people generally have sex with consenting adults whereas pedophiles cannot have consenual sex with their objects of affection ever.

In the article there were 1000 men asking this CG child to perform sexual acts. This is way above and beyond looking at an obviously computer generated image. They thought it was real. And there was no entrapment. The "child" walked into the room and they started offering cash to watch.

Interesting points here. I know all Pedos are not the same in that some are violent and abusive just like any other sexual group.

It makes me wonder if a Pedo is dating a 13 year old but treats her like a queen and probably has no sex (just like some straight or gay men might not have sex with legal age partners but just enjoy their company) but once the girl gets older then he might dump her for another 13 yr old?

I guess its sick in the sense that once the girl or boy gets older then the attraction wears off.

Watch this movie so you can get an idea of the sexual dynamics of a Pedo.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0242587/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_92

 

[JEDIYoda]

Being gay is a sexual preference that is different than the norm but is between consenting adults and causes no harm.

the problem you have is that you are assuming that people cannot possibly be born gay......
Being gay is NOT a sexual preference!! Just as being hetrosexual is not the norm....
If being gay is a sexual preference then being hrero sexual is also a choice....

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

the problem you have is that you are assuming that people cannot possibly be born gay......
Being gay is NOT a sexual preference!! Just as being hetrosexual is not the norm....
If being gay is a sexual preference then being hrero sexual is also a choice....

If being gay is not a sexual preference then what is it? The problem is that you are assuming what I mean.

I believe the sexual prefence is something they are born with. Although I did have one gay employee who wasn't always gay. He told me he just got tired of dealing with women and switched teams. Ha!

Heterosexual makes up most of the population, hence it is the norm.
Home, hetero, pedo...they are who we are born as and we can't "fix" it.
Homo and hetero are between consenting adults. Pedo is not.

Quit making controversy and problems where there are none.

 

[Nintendesert]

I'm sure the real reason the fake images are illegal as well is the problem in proving the images are real vs. a defense claiming the images are fake and using photoshop to create enough doubt even with real photos.

 

[Blackjack200]

In such areas where prostitution is illegal, aren't people caught by female cops posing as prostitutes? In such cases obviously ALSO no prostitution took place, the guys didn't even talk to a prostitute, but to an under-cover cop. Obviously THE INTENT is enough to have it qualify as a crime.

I believe in these stings money is exchanged, so there was not just the intent of the would-be John to commit the crime, but also an actual attempt. As an aside, I believe that prostitution should be a legal, regulated industry.

didnt we (the USA) pass a law a few years ago about this, they consider digital images of under age persons (think lolicon) the same as the real thing


also looking at the pic in teh article i cant see how anyone would not realize that was fake

Yes. The reasoning is that it is now possible to create such realistic images that the courts cannot reliably distinguish between was is real, and what is created. So they blanket all of it as illegal.

I think it's a ridiculous rule. Simulated images and videos may satisfy the fantasies of some of these people enough that they wouldn't seek the real thing. It is also simple enough to put the burden on the accused to demonstrate that an image is simulated.

 

[ElFenix]

That's one of the biggest double standards in law also...if you didn't intend to do something, but still did it, well, sucks to be you, you broke the law. If you DID intend to do something but didn't ACTUALLY do it, well, that's still a crime too.

that's why the crime is solicitation.

 

[Blackjack200]

I'm sure the real reason the fake images are illegal as well is the problem in proving the images are real vs. a defense claiming the images are fake and using photoshop to create enough doubt even with real photos.

Just put the burden on the accused to prove that the images are fake. If the images are truly fake, it will be easy: just produce the drawings, .pngs etc. that were created as part of the artistic process.

 

[sixone]

That's one of the biggest double standards in law also...if you didn't intend to do something, but still did it, well, sucks to be you, you broke the law. If you DID intend to do something but didn't ACTUALLY do it, well, that's still a crime too.

It's not a double standard. You can't be arrested for planning something until and unless you take some action to put that plan into effect.

These pedo's could sit around in their houses and think about little kids all they want - and never commit a crime. It's the action of going to where they expect to find kids that constitutes a crime - whether there are actual kids in that location or not.

 

[akahoovy]

It's not a double standard. You can't be arrested for planning something until and unless you take some action to put that plan into effect.

These pedo's could sit around in their houses and think about little kids all they want - and never commit a crime. It's the action of going to where they expect to find kids that constitutes a crime - whether there are actual kids in that location or not.

And don't even think about clenching your ass while going about these activities. You'll get that thing they did to Butters on South Park.

 

[diesbudt]

In such areas where prostitution is illegal, aren't people caught by female cops posing as prostitutes? In such cases obviously ALSO no prostitution took place, the guys didn't even talk to a prostitute, but to an under-cover cop. Obviously THE INTENT is enough to have it qualify as a crime.

This is exactly it. It does not matter if a crime took place, as long as intent happened and can be proven.

I mean did anyone here watch Dateline NBC to catch a Predator. No actual crime happened, however the attempt is there. And they all get 3-7 years in prison easy.

 

[JoeBleed]

Child porn is illegal. And you can be convicted for trading "computer generated child porn".

Picking up hookers and then beating them dead with a crowbar is illegal. But any 17 year old with $59 to spare can do the computer generated version of that in GTAV. And that's perfectly legal.

I don't deny that pediphiles have a serious mental illness that the 17 year old doesn't and this is just encouraging it. But still..

Slippery slope indeed.

Yea, slippery slope, but in your example, the teen knows it's a game, the pedophiles, at least it didn't say, don't know it's not a real child. They're actively looking the real thing and think they've found it. I think it's fucked up a bit, but making and selling anime child porn shouldn't get you arrested. It's disturbing, but it's not real and maybe it could be all some need. maybe. How about someone that actually works out a scam to sell "teen child porn" to people, but they're actually using legal 18 year olds and just passing them off as say 15? Should that be illegal? other than false advertising?? Some 18 year olds do look really young. Maybe it is illegal.

Say we had realistic holograms. If they used them and teens went out and beat one of them but they couldn't tell it was fake, wouldn't that indicate a real attempt at a crime?

I have issues with situations where people get in trouble of just chatting or chatting and then start to head over and change their mind. assuming it was a meet up. IF they make it to the setup, then yea, bust them. If they have a change of heart, maybe approach them and offer help.

To me, it sounds like these people deserve to get busted because it seems as if they thought they found a real child to exploit.