Pedo cop released from jail after kids said he didn't molest them

amdhunter

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...02_recantabuse11m.html

VANCOUVER, Wash. ? The two adult children of former Vancouver police officer Clyde Ray Spencer, who spent nearly 20 years in prison after being convicted of molesting them, testified in court Friday the abuse never happened.

I am sure he did it because children don't lie about these kinds of things. He was never proven innocent so I think he should stay in jail. Kinda like how Michael Jackson was...
 

MotF Bane

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OP -

Originally posted by: amdhunter
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...02_recantabuse11m.html

VANCOUVER, Wash. ? The two adult children of former Vancouver police officer Clyde Ray Spencer, who spent nearly 20 years in prison after being convicted of molesting them, testified in court Friday the abuse never happened.

I am sure he did it because children don't lie about these kinds of things. He was never proven innocent so I think he should stay in jail. Kinda like how Michael Jackson was...

Mine -

Something needs to happen to those kids for this.
 

amdhunter

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
OP -

Originally posted by: amdhunter
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...02_recantabuse11m.html

VANCOUVER, Wash. ? The two adult children of former Vancouver police officer Clyde Ray Spencer, who spent nearly 20 years in prison after being convicted of molesting them, testified in court Friday the abuse never happened.

I am sure he did it because children don't lie about these kinds of things. He was never proven innocent so I think he should stay in jail. Kinda like how Michael Jackson was...

Mine -

Something needs to happen to those kids for this.

You timewarping son of a bit... :|
 

TehMac

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Around 20 years ago, psychology was at a point where people didn't know that if you suggested things, more impressionable peeps, kids especially, would contrive these stories of being molested and so forth.

A lot of cases ended wherein people were falsely accused, and sadly, defamed. Appeals usually worked, but not always. Using psychology to try and get a better idea of what went on in people's memories isn't always the best bet.
 

amdhunter

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Around 20 years ago, psychology was at a point where people didn't know that if you suggested things, more impressionable peeps, kids especially, would contrive these stories of being molested and so forth.

A lot of cases ended wherein people were falsely accused, and sadly, defamed. Appeals usually worked, but not always. Using psychology to try and get a better idea of what went on in people's memories isn't always the best bet.

I don't know. I would have taken a belt, and beaten the truth out of the little lying bastards. They should send those kids to jail for 20 years.
 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: amdhunter
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
OP -

Originally posted by: amdhunter
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...02_recantabuse11m.html

VANCOUVER, Wash. ? The two adult children of former Vancouver police officer Clyde Ray Spencer, who spent nearly 20 years in prison after being convicted of molesting them, testified in court Friday the abuse never happened.

I am sure he did it because children don't lie about these kinds of things. He was never proven innocent so I think he should stay in jail. Kinda like how Michael Jackson was...

Mine -

Something needs to happen to those kids for this.

You timewarping son of a bit... :|

I win your thread. :)
 

herkulease

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Don't worry he'll be back in jail in no time. He'll be killing them soon. His own kids or not.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Around 20 years ago, psychology was at a point where people didn't know that if you suggested things, more impressionable peeps, kids especially, would contrive these stories of being molested and so forth.

A lot of cases ended wherein people were falsely accused, and sadly, defamed. Appeals usually worked, but not always. Using psychology to try and get a better idea of what went on in people's memories isn't always the best bet.

I remember watching a news special about a particular town where there was a DA (maybe cops, but I'm not positive) where kids were essentially being browbeaten to claim abuse until there were convictions.
 

DangerAardvark

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Lol, he spent 20 years in jail falsely accused, yet he's still "Pedo cop" in the topic title. Damn, that's rough.
 

pontifex

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i couldn't imagine spending 20 years in jail knowing i did nothing wrong without anyone believing me.
 

Phokus

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Yet people still want the death penalty in this country, if people can be wrongly convicted in sexual assault cases, people can be wrongly be convicted in murder cases too.
 

paulney

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"They were told by their mother, who divorced Spencer before Spencer was charged, that they were blocking out the memory of the abuse."

I'd kill the bitch, too.
 

frostedflakes

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He hired Seattle attorney Peter Camiel in the mid-1990s. Camiel and a private investigator uncovered several disturbing facts about the investigation ? including that prosecutors withheld medical exams that showed no evidence of abuse, despite Krause's claims that the children had been violently, repeatedly raped ? and those discoveries led Gov. Gary Locke to commute Spencer's sentence in 2004.
WTF, how can some of these lawyers live with themselves? Seems like their pride is more important to them than justice.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Yet people still want the death penalty in this country, if people can be wrongly convicted in sexual assault cases, people can be wrongly be convicted in murder cases too.

*Exactly* the reason why I'm against the death penalty, and also sexual offender registries. I firmly believe that the number of incorrect convictions far exceeds what the public believes to be the case.
 
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Originally posted by: paulney
"They were told by their mother, who divorced Spencer before Spencer was charged, that they were blocking out the memory of the abuse."

I'd kill the bitch, too.

Unfortunately this all happened right around the time that repressed memories were all the rage. We now know (pretty much) that it's all bullshit but who knows how many people were put away because of repressed memory hype.
 

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Yet people still want the death penalty in this country, if people can be wrongly convicted in sexual assault cases, people can be wrongly be convicted in murder cases too.

Absolutely, and it happens all the time. Former Gov. Ryan of Illinois actually banned the death penalty here for that reason; it was found out that something like 7 of the 11 people on death row at a certain time were proven innocent via DNA evidence, so Ryan, besides a bit of corruption, did something good in this state.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: Phokus
Yet people still want the death penalty in this country, if people can be wrongly convicted in sexual assault cases, people can be wrongly be convicted in murder cases too.

*Exactly* the reason why I'm against the death penalty, and also sexual offender registries. I firmly believe that the number of incorrect convictions far exceeds what the public believes to be the case.

But even if it didn't, having the government execute just ONE innocent person is one too many.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: Phokus
Yet people still want the death penalty in this country, if people can be wrongly convicted in sexual assault cases, people can be wrongly be convicted in murder cases too.

*Exactly* the reason why I'm against the death penalty, and also sexual offender registries. I firmly believe that the number of incorrect convictions far exceeds what the public believes to be the case.

But even if it didn't, having the government execute just ONE innocent person is one too many.

Having the government jail just ONE innocent person is one too many, IMO.
 

amdhunter

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Lol, he spent 20 years in jail falsely accused, yet he's still "Pedo cop" in the topic title. Damn, that's rough.

It only takes one accusation to be branded for life.
 

Kalmah

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The whole system is just fvcked. Every case doesn't have the same control variables.. sometimes crucial information is withheld... sometimes the jury are jackasses, sometimes the judge and/or lawyers are jackasses. Come on, how the hell do you withhold medical examination evidence? That should be a mandatory procedure with results given from several different examiners for this type of case. (EVERY TIME)

Instead of both sides spouting random psychological bullshit to convince a jury, guidelines should be made.. Key topics should be examined thoroughly. A list of what needs and doesn't need to be proven/disproven. It shouldn't be based on how the jury 'feels' about the case either. Only on logical and informed information. (key things, such as medical examinations shouldn't be allowed to pass by)

I can't pretend that I know how the court system works because I don't. Just saying..
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: Phokus
Yet people still want the death penalty in this country, if people can be wrongly convicted in sexual assault cases, people can be wrongly be convicted in murder cases too.
*Exactly* the reason why I'm against the death penalty, and also sexual offender registries. I firmly believe that the number of incorrect convictions far exceeds what the public believes to be the case.
But even if it didn't, having the government execute just ONE innocent person is one too many.
Having the government jail just ONE innocent person is one too many, IMO.
At least someone improperly imprisoned can be released and, at least to some degree, compensated for their wrongful detention. Execution is kind of hard to correct...