Peace-loving Muslims in Somalia cut the hands off thiefs...

[Noobtastic]

MOGADISHU, Somalia — Witnesses say militants from Somalia's most hardline insurgent group have executed a man they convicted of murder and cut off the hands of an accused thief — after injecting him with anesthesia.

Hundreds of Mogadishu residents gathered to watch the firing squad execution Monday, which was carried out by three masked men from the al-Shabab militia.

Resident Abdulle Lugey says the militants also chopped off the hand of a thief after two nurses injected him with anesthesia. Then a waiting ambulance rushed him to a hospital. The militants displayed mattresses they said the man had stolen from trucks.

The hard-line militants carry out amputations, stonings and lashings as punishment. Somalia has not had a functioning government since 1991.

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=173962

Remember, our allies on the war on terror, the freedom-loving states of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, recipients of billions of American tax dollars, are the premier sponsor of human-rights groups like Al-shabaab.

since 2007 nearly 20,000+ civilians have been killed in Somalia and millions are harmless and starving. The UN aid agencies have left the capital.

Ohh...but no outrage from the Left.

 

[2Xtreme21]

What does the left have anything to do with it? Are you, obviously on the right, outraged? I am.

Re topic, some people I'm sure on these boards like the idea of eye-for-an-eye punishment to deter criminals, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I personally see it as a human rights issue and am pissed the world isn't doing more.

 

[nick1985]

Isnt that where Dave wants to live?

 

[EagleKeeper]

You may have an eye for an eye situtation. If that is the way their government chooses to work, so be it.

The only issue I have with this report is that it is not the government, but some militant/warlord gang that has taken it upon themselves and the government is unable/unwilling to do nothing about it.

That is what the world should be up in arms against.

I also suspect that this has nothing to do with religion but a matter of exercising power in the local area.

Not any real different than what happened in the Balkans and the Slav areas. At least there is was religious/ethnic cleansing.

 

[Noobtastic]

What does the left have anything to do with it? Are you, obviously on the right, outraged? I am.

Re topic, some people I'm sure on these boards like the idea of eye-for-an-eye punishment to deter criminals, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I personally see it as a human rights issue and am pissed the world isn't doing more.

Because the Left supports the Islamist tribes? Obama is releasing billions in free money to Egypt, Pakistan, and selling more weapons to Saudi Arabia?

US cargo planes donated to the Egyptian military are used to fly Al-shabaab militants to and from training camps and used to ship foodstuffs to the major training centers.

How does that feel...our tax dollars paying for this shit.

 

[dmcowen674]

Because the Left supports the Islamist tribes? Obama is releasing billions in free money to Egypt, Pakistan, and selling more weapons to Saudi Arabia?

US cargo planes donated to the Egyptian military are used to fly Al-shabaab militants to and from training camps and used to ship foodstuffs to the major training centers.

How does that feel...our tax dollars paying for this shit.

Are you implying this is strictly an Obama thing?

Under Bush we didn't pay for any of this?

 

[DaveSimmons]

> Remember, our allies on the war on terror, the freedom-loving states of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, recipients of billions of American tax dollars . . . .

Uh, OK, so supporting Egypt means we also support Iran and Somalia, gotcha.

> Ohh...but no outrage from the Left.

Didn't the Republicans give billions to Egypt, Pakistan, and sell weapons to Saudi Arabia when they were in power? Have they filibustered any aid or sales recently? Ever?

How is "the left" any different from "the right" here?

 

[Tristicus]

I see nothing wrong with cutting the hands off of thieves.

 

[Noobtastic]

Are you implying this is strictly an Obama thing?

Under Bush we didn't pay for any of this?

USA has always had a one-sided relationship with the Muslim world, except the republicans tend to like pro-western states like israel just a tiny bit more than the dems.

obama wont sell a paper weight to the IDF, but is freeing up billions in apache helicopters and F16s to Egypt for absolutely nothing.

Obama pledged 2.5 billion to Pakistan for 2010, even as their military rapes the shit out of the North (900 killed since april 20th) and makes millions homeless with our weapons.

oh, and they've wasted 70% of the 18 billion we have given them since 2002.

obama's pro-Muslim policy is far more pronounced and personal than any other president in history.

Reagan sold AWACS to saudi arabia which was fucked...but obama's olive branches to the muslims, to pakistan, to saudi arabia....is offensive.

I have yet to see the Left ever, every criticize or condemn our Muslim allies in any meaningful manner. Nor have I see Obama said a single nasty thing about the saudis, egyptians, pakistanis, etc.

 

[Bitek]

Interesting..

We have a gov't, and we give our thieves bailouts, free beds and cable TV.

Somalia has no gov't, and thieves lose their sticky hands...

 

[ShawnD1]

I see nothing wrong with cutting the hands off of thieves.

Cool. Watch this video.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/ media/handcutting.htm

It's a guy getting his hand cut off. NOT WORK SAFE.
I put a space in the url so it isn't automatically parsed when someone quotes me.


If it makes you feel any better, a lot of people are already tortured in US prisons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWxpQ87C4t4
This is actually an interesting documentary. At least bookmark it for later viewing

 

[Kadarin]

I see nothing wrong with cutting the hands off of thieves.

Did the guy receive due process of law? Did he get the opportunity to confront the accuser and see the evidence presented against him? Could they possibly have cut off the hand of an innocent man?

 

[CitizenKain]

Because the Left supports the Islamist tribes? Obama is releasing billions in free money to Egypt, Pakistan, and selling more weapons to Saudi Arabia?

US cargo planes donated to the Egyptian military are used to fly Al-shabaab militants to and from training camps and used to ship foodstuffs to the major training centers.

How does that feel...our tax dollars paying for this shit.

We paid for Israel to drop White Phosphorus on children, you seem to have no problems with that.

 

[Tristicus]

Probably should have been more specific on their culture.

Cool. Watch this video.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/ media/handcutting.htm

It's a guy getting his hand cut off. NOT WORK SAFE.
I put a space in the url so it isn't automatically parsed when someone quotes me.


If it makes you feel any better, a lot of people are already tortured in US prisons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWxpQ87C4t4
This is actually an interesting documentary. At least bookmark it for later viewing

Don't see how that video or documentary are supposed to make me feel. They got their hands cut off- oh, wow...I haven't seen 100x more things worse on the internet. If it was for no reason, then yes, it's completely wrong, or if they were wrongly accused (read below) quote/post.

Prisoners are usually there for a reason. I don't agree they should be beaten like that...but that's the guards fault and the tards guarding the prison and the people that know it's going on. I don't feel any sympathy for them, as they still committed crimes, but it shouldn't happen, and they shouldn't be tortured.

Did the guy receive due process of law? Did he get the opportunity to confront the accuser and see the evidence presented against him? Could they possibly have cut off the hand of an innocent man?

Possibly. I'm not saying "HEY, I think my neighbor stole something from me, cut off his hands". If he was guilty though...and it is in their culture, he's guilty and can pay the price.


I'm not an advocate of torture on the basis of "he said she said" or stupidly accusing someone. What I AM an advocate of is harsh punishment for people (say you raped someone, a death sentence would suffice, and not lethal injection). I am an advocate of using forceful measures to get answers out of terrorists that have sensitive information, domestic and foreign.

 

[Noobtastic]

We paid for Israel to drop White Phosphorus on children, you seem to have no problems with that.

Do you have the receipts?

I know we drop WP in Iraq and Afghanistan on a weekly basis. I only know Israel used it a few times as a smokescreen, and no civilians were killed or injured (confirmed) by the chemical.

anyways, this doesn't change the fact that the US tax payers are subsidizing the killings in Somalia and Sudan.

Even if we assume the most extreme interpretation for the Arab-Israeli conflict, so what? How many killed in the last 25 years? 8,000, maybe?

Nearly 20,000 civilians have been killed since 2007 in Somalia, and millions homeless.

The life expectancy in Somalia is 49.

In Gaza/WB, it is 75 - higher than Syria, Egypt, and Jordan.

So even if we are paying for Israel to drop WP on innocent Palestinian infants, doesn't change the fact that we have been paying for the wars in Sudan and Somalia without criticism or punishment.

 

[Danube]

It's a barbaric practice

Graphic:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-746478769944740795#

 

[ShawnD1]

It's a barbaric practice

Graphic:
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=-746478769944740795#

One of the related videos on the right side is this video of a woman being beaten in a Chicago park:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2009/06/05/teenage-girl-beaten-burne_n_212077.html


As much as I like to hate on Islam, I'm pretty sure the victim of this crime would feel a lot better if each of the attackers had their feet cut off. :hmm:
(both video links have been de-linked so they can't be accidentally clicked)

 

[PJABBER]

This is a practice in places that enforce sharia, though there is some dispute as to how common it really is. The Koran and several hadith are cited in order to justify the practice and there is usually judicial authority as well as religious authority involved.

Be glad you don't live in Somalia, and a few other places that I can think of.

 

[Narmer]

I see nothing wrong with cutting the hands off of thieves.

This. Sometimes Middle Age...I mean Eastern justice is what we all need.

 

[her209]

anyways, this doesn't change the fact that the US tax payers are subsidizing the killings in Somalia and Sudan.

I think its funny that you decry the killings as the US subsidizing the killings. Maybe the US should defund the aid that goes to Israel and the Palestinians also.

 

[Noobtastic]

I think its funny that you decry the killings as the US subsidizing the killings. Maybe the US should defund the aid that goes to Israel and the Palestinians also.

Why is that funny?

The level of conflict in Somalia and Sudan cannot even be compared to Israel/Palestine.

~9,000 Palestinians have been killed in war since 1985, 2/3 of whom were killed by other Palestinians or Arabs.

Nearly 400,000 have died or starved in Somalia since 1991, and more than 20,000 civilians have been killed since 2007!

Over 50 civilians were hacked to death by Arab islamists south Darfur last week.

UTTER. SILENCE.

We are paying for this.

10+ million have been forced out of their homes in Sudan, probably forever. The UN is pulling out of Sudan and Somalia because the violence cannot be contained, and because the Islamic states control the United Nations Human Rights Council - Saudi Arabia and Egypt are immune from criticism and international reprisal.

And its not like the USA support is ever going to stop. We'll keep gifting Egypt billions, even as it shoots Sudanese refugees fleeing to Israel.

It's disgusting.

I hate these people. they should be cut off and left to their own fucking allah.

support the jews and people who support america, not these desert tribe assholes who murder their daughters for daring to masturbate.

 

[marincounty]

USA has always had a one-sided relationship with the Muslim world, except the republicans tend to like pro-western states like israel just a tiny bit more than the dems.

obama wont sell a paper weight to the IDF, but is freeing up billions in apache helicopters and F16s to Egypt for absolutely nothing.

Obama pledged 2.5 billion to Pakistan for 2010, even as their military rapes the shit out of the North (900 killed since april 20th) and makes millions homeless with our weapons.

oh, and they've wasted 70% of the 18 billion we have given them since 2002.

obama's pro-Muslim policy is far more pronounced and personal than any other president in history.

Reagan sold AWACS to saudi arabia which was fucked...but obama's olive branches to the muslims, to pakistan, to saudi arabia....is offensive.

I have yet to see the Left ever, every criticize or condemn our Muslim allies in any meaningful manner. Nor have I see Obama said a single nasty thing about the saudis, egyptians, pakistanis, etc.

I guess you missed the first Gulf War, where GHWB beat back Saddam, then restored the Kuwaiti royalty to power. Talk about sucking up to Muslims.

 

[Noobtastic]

I guess you missed the first Gulf War, where GHWB beat back Saddam, then restored the Kuwaiti royalty to power. Talk about sucking up to Muslims.

Yeah, sucking up to Saudi Arabia initiated on the most glorified dem....FDR.

doesn't change obama's revolutionary love-affair with the entire muslim world, not just strategic states like saudi arabia.

 

[MovingTarget]

I really don't see why people have such a hate-on for relations with muslim countries. Even if they are truly evil, it is a political necessity to ensure that we do have relations with those countries even if it is for the sole purpose of keeping open lines of communications (so cooler heads prevail).

What this thread boils down to is the misconception of many on the right about the role moral/cultural relativism plays with those on the other side. Most in the center and those on the left recognise that moral relativism plays a role, but it is not absolute. This is one shining example of where it does not.

 

[ichy]

You can be sure they won't be doing too much stealing in the future!