Peace in Najaf!

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News at CNN.

Aside from the fact that any sort of good news out of Iraq is bad for Kerry, does anyone think the CIA had something to do with this? al-Sistani just got back from having "surgery" in the UK, and something tells me one of his "doctors" got to him. It's as if he got off of the operating table, flew to Iraq, drove to Najaf, walked into the mosque, and bham, everyone throws down their arms!

CIA or not...you know what they say about "All that ends well".
 

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A senior al-Sadr representative said most Medhi Army members had turned in their weapons.

Wow...finally!


Bremer should have never let them leave with their weapons at the outset.

And the U.S. should not have faltered in arresting al-Sadr last year on the murder warrant.
 

Todd33

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You are mixing names up. The Najaf standoff has little to do with the long term prospects of Iraq. Pull our 140,000 troops out today and the whole thing will fall apart in days. It's a house of cards.
 

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A peace deal brought peace to Najaf today, as fighters loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr turned in their weapons and left the Imam Ali Mosque they had occupied during three weeks of fighting with U.S. and Iraqi forces. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani brokered the peace deal with al-Sadr, who is now free to go anywhere he likes.
 

Fencer128

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
A peace deal brought peace to Najaf today, as fighters loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr turned in their weapons and left the Imam Ali Mosque they had occupied during three weeks of fighting with U.S. and Iraqi forces. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani brokered the peace deal with al-Sadr, who is now free to go anywhere he likes.

So... Al-Sistani just got out of hospital in the UK - not Al-Sadr?

Cheers,

Andy
 

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CNN can't write worth sh!t. Too many Vague Pronoun References:

Al-Sistani brokered the agreement with al-Sadr late Thursday. He had returned from London, where he was treated for a heart problem.
 

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
CNN can't write worth sh!t. Too many Vague Pronoun References:

Al-Sistani brokered the agreement with al-Sadr late Thursday. He had returned from London, where he was treated for a heart problem.

I see the problem! I'm only using Fox News from now on ;)

Cheers,

Andy
 

Todd33

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Well, less cut and pasting and more reading and understanding. How could Al Sadr have lead the insurgency for months, as a wanted man, if he was in the UK?

Now he is back in the plitical process which could be even worse. Iraq will end up another Muslim nation that we will have to fight again in ten years.
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
You are mixing names up. The Najaf standoff has little to do with the long term prospects of Iraq. Pull our 140,000 troops out today and the whole thing will fall apart in days. It's a house of cards.

Besides Baghdad, Fallujah and Najaf are the heaviest areas of US troop deployment right now. Moving out of Najaf frees up a LOT of our boys for other things. Besides, the only person that has suggested that we pull the troops is Kerry, and even he said not for six more months and only if we get other countries' troops to fill in.
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Well, less cut and pasting and more reading and understanding. How could Al Sadr have lead the insurgency for months, as a wanted man, if he was in the UK?

Now he is back in the plitical process which could be even worse. Iraq will end up another Muslim nation that we will have to fight again in ten years.

Hi,

But also, had he been exterminated along with his followers he may have achieved martyrdom, set moderates against the occupation and led to further anti-western feelings.

So, pretty much damned if you do - damned if you don't. Atleast less people died at the hands of the occupying force this way, which has to be good for PR right now.

Cheers,

Andy
 

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
News at CNN.

Al-Sadr just got back from having "surgery" in the UK
Where have you been durring the last month?
If you would be really following the news, you would never make a typo like that...
 

Todd33

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I never said pull troops out. It was a 'what if'. I'm sure the worlds nation are lining up to get their guys killed for the mess we created. This is our bed, we will be lying in it for years to come.
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
I never said pull troops out. It was a 'what if'. I'm sure the worlds nation are lining up to get their guys killed for the mess we created. This is our bed, we will be lying in it for years to come.

And... you're voting for Kerry?
 

Todd33

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Of course. The people that create a problem are not likely to fix it. We need to worry about what goes on inside our borders, not police the world.

Bush has no credibility in the world. We need to start fresh, with someone who can think through problems and not just act like a cowboy with no curiosity.
 

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Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
News at CNN.

Al-Sadr just got back from having "surgery" in the UK
Where have you been durring the last month?
If you would be really following the news, you would never make a typo like that...

Mostly in Europe actually...and certainly not paying attentio to P&N.
 

Todd33

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So, another right winger that is uninformed, great. Keep bashing Kerry with your sig while you support a real war hero like Bush the fearless.
 

Fencer128

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Originally posted by: rextilleon
Sad thing is that Sadr has ammnesty--LOL_-this is unbelievable.

Amnesty is worthless when the Iraqis take total control. After that it's up to them.

Cheers,

Andy
 

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Aside from the fact that any sort of good news out of Iraq is bad for Kerry,


Kerry seems to care more about our soldiers than the chimp! Next time you start a thread, might want to avoid the usual neocon bullsh!t smears, otherwise you come across as a real ass.
 

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GTaudiophile: You might want to change your topic summary. It should say: Thanks to Al-Sistani

It was after all Sistani who brokered the peace deal, not Al-Sadr. :p
 

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Originally posted by: kage69
Aside from the fact that any sort of good news out of Iraq is bad for Kerry,


Kerry seems to care more about our soldiers than the chimp! Next time you start a thread, might want to avoid the usual neocon bullsh!t smears, otherwise you come across as a real ass.

You want to argue on that point? Okay, so if tomorrow's headlines read, "1000 Tons of Chemical and Biological WMDs un-earthed in Iraq!" you would think that's good news for Kerry?

How bad might Bush look in 6 months or so when the headlines read, "Iraqi People Hold First Successful Democratic Elections!"? You're saying success stories out of Iraq are not good for Bush? Because if they are good for Bush, then they have to be bad for "Voted against funding for the war" Kerry.

Edit: I have corrected the OP.
 

Todd33

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"Voted against funding for the war" Kerry.

Or what about "threatened to veto funding for the troops" Bush? Kerry wanted to pay for the war with tax cut roll backs, and reconstruction with loans, not handouts. He also wanted the $20B for reconstruction in a seperate bill, he was afraid of a blank check, for good reason. But, like this thread shows, you only know the RNC talking points and nothing about the truth. The troops were always going to be funded, the debate was how.
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
"Voted against funding for the war" Kerry.

Or what about "threatened to veto funding for the troops" Bush? Kerry wanted to pay for the war with tax cut roll backs, and reconstruction with loans, not handouts. He also wanted the $20B for reconstruction in a seperate bill, he was afraid of a blank check, for good reason. But, like this thread shows, you only know the RNC talking points and nothing about the truth. The troops were always going to be funded, the debate was how.

You know what they say about good intentions. FACT is that when the funding bill came up for a vote, Kerry voted against it. Shows he wasn't THAT concerned about the end result!