[PCPP] NVidia talks about Console graphics

[BrightCandle]

http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/2013/09/nvidia-interview-the-sky-isnt-falling/

One interesting excerpt is the following talking about the so called advantage due to bare metal development:

I think a console can punch above their weight to some degree, but not by a factor of three. I wouldn’t even say a factor of two. Partially because they have leaner and meaner operating systems and APIs, they’re closer to the metal, and also because developers can hand-craft code for these fixed platforms.

Things have changed, though. Direct X has gotten much, much better compared to where it used to be. The barrier between Direct X level of interface and to-the-metal interface has gotten much closer. It used to be huge, but not so much anymore. Also, I think the PCs and the consoles look alike these days. The PS4 and Xbox One have an x86 CPU, a PC-style GPU. It’s a giant integrated graphics PC.

 

[futurefields]

Yeah, PC GPUs are pretty much as well optimized as console gpus nowadays when you look at what resolutions and fps consoles get and what resolutions and fps pcs get. 1080p @60 fps requires what like 5x gpu power right away over 720p @30 fps? Who knows math around here?

 

[cmdrdredd]

If you want my honest take...Nvidia is playing defense on this one. AMD got the lock on new consoles.

You always have to brute force your way to 60fps on a pc. You cannot take the equivelant GPU on a PC that matches to a particular console and expect the same gameplay results. It's not the APi, it's the OS itself. It needs to handle tasks while in the background.

 

[JeffMD]

arn't they called x64 cpus now? Also dx9 OS efficiency hasn't change that much from dx11.1 has it? You have a half dozen new features and better ways of programing shaders, but we def didn't see any performance increases because dx10/11/11.1 were "closer to the metal".

Anyways the problem nvidia fails to see is you can't just make the best graphics card and pc games will come.

 

[Aikouka]

arn't they called x64 cpus now?

64-bit support is provided through an extension of the x86 ISA called x86-64 or AMD64. It was introduced by AMD back on the Athlon 64. They are still x86 processors as they support the entire ISA.

Also dx9 OS efficiency hasn't change that much from dx11.1 has it?

It has. The biggest issue was with the number of draw calls that DX9 would issue for rendering. If I remember correctly, DX10+ are far better at batching the commands together, which leads to less overhead.

 

[CZroe]

As if all 3D PC graphics are DirectX graphics?! Someone should tell Valve that Steam box isn't going to be able to play any games.

 

[cmdrdredd]

As if all 3D PC graphics are DirectX graphics?! Someone should tell Valve that Steam box isn't going to be able to play any games.

Looking at the number of games that do not use OpenGL, there will be a hell of a lot of them that won't work.

 

[CZroe]

Looking at the number of games that do not use OpenGL, there will be a hell of a lot of them that won't work.

And the vast majority were already ported to/from consoles without DirectX and will port to OpenGL just fine. For everything else, there's Windows streaming.

My point was that this focus on DX/D3D has always been too much. Even when a good number of A-list titles were based on Quake III engine people acted like D3D was all that mattered. Sure, id Software's engines are no longer driving the industry (still surprised Prey used Doom 3 engine), but it matters even less now due to consoles, mobile devices, and other platforms (Shield/OUYA, Steambox, etc) and such.

 

[Arkaign]

CZ, I agree that it's a good thing that there are lots of non-DX games, but they are mostly not on Windows at this time, but I also think we need real adoption of a next-gen OpenGL or whatever API (open source of course) that is brave enough to set a new standard. Carmack explains it better than me :

http://www.techspot.com/news/42827-id-software-co-founder-directx-is-better-than-opengl.html

Now he said that in 2011, but since then we have OpenGL 4.2 and 4.3, which theoretically are fairly good. (let's call it 5.0H)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OpenGL_programs

Lots of great stuff, but most of that is really old. I hope Valve can grab OpenGL 4.3 or whatever and make it stick. Looks promising :

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

I just say : show me the games! If given the choice, I'd go Linux in a heartbeat over Win8 and beyond. Microsoft has simply lost all respect from me. But they are the de-facto option for PC right now. We need some miracle option, and streaming isn't it imho (too clunky to expect people to use two machines to do single gaming session, get windows out of the picture entirely).

 

[Hiveman1561]

I set up a thread why pc gaming is better than console gaming. bring it on, console gamers. tell me how many screens and how much of the game you can see with your console not on the computer.



Please stop trolling. Thank you.

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[Hiveman1561]

Consoles are emulating PCs because they can't keep up with the competition. consoles come and go, but the PC platform stays at the top. Infinite, consent-free, royalty-free and usually free third party game support.

 

[darkewaffle]

I set up a thread why pc gaming is better than console gaming. bring it on, console gamers. tell me how many screens and how much of the game you can see with your console not on the computer.

hahaha, so awesome

 

[Hiveman1561]

bring it on, guys. I'm proud to be a PC gaming elitist. Can you run chrome on your console? the only console that ever let you run Linux was the PS3 and that was temporary. How many screens can you have on your TV console? do consoles have free flash games? If you build your own console, will it play games from other consoles? or will you get sued for infringing console copyright? I doubt you can search cheat codes and Google for tips on your console, unless consoles emulate that too, which would further serve to prove the superiority of PCs, because in the attempt to appear superior with awesome features that they emulate from the PC, they are only proving its superiority over a console. Plagiarism is a sign that they are trying to copy a superior source. If you wish to try and defend your failing consoles, go to my PC gaming forum about PC gaming's superiority. Bring it on. you won't last long at this rate.

 

[Hiveman1561]

be sure to visit my pc gaming thread to see how long you can last

 

[purbeast0]

wtf i thought school started last month? guess this kid is skipping today or faking sick.

 

[smackababy]

wtf i thought school started last month? guess this kid is skipping today or faking sick.

It is funny because his reasons seem like they were written by an 8 year old.

 

[Aikouka]

do consoles have free flash games?

Why in the world would you attempt to present Farmville as a shining beacon of PC gaming superiority?

You bring shame to your family!

 

[zerocool84]

Consoles are emulating PCs because they can't keep up with the competition. consoles come and go, but the PC platform stays at the top. Infinite, consent-free, royalty-free and usually free third party game support.

And that's why less and less games are getting put on PC right? Makes sense.

 

[purbeast0]

And that's why less and less games are getting put on PC right? Makes sense.

wrong! haven't you seen all of the flash games you can play on the web?

and have you ever played candy box? can't get that on consoles!

 

[Tweak155]

This guy is working his way out the door in a hurry.

 

[CZroe]

bring it on, guys. I'm proud to be a PC gaming elitist. Can you run chrome on your console? the only console that ever let you run Linux was the PS3 and that was temporary. How many screens can you have on your TV console? do consoles have free flash games? If you build your own console, will it play games from other consoles? or will you get sued for infringing console copyright? I doubt you can search cheat codes and Google for tips on your console, unless consoles emulate that too, which would further serve to prove the superiority of PCs, because in the attempt to appear superior with awesome features that they emulate from the PC, they are only proving its superiority over a console. Plagiarism is a sign that they are trying to copy a superior source. If you wish to try and defend your failing consoles, go to my PC gaming forum about PC gaming's superiority. Bring it on. you won't last long at this rate.

Linux has been made for many consoles (most famously: XBOX) but that isn't even the only one to run it officially (PS2).

 

[cmdrdredd]

bring it on, guys. I'm proud to be a PC gaming elitist. Can you run chrome on your console? the only console that ever let you run Linux was the PS3 and that was temporary. How many screens can you have on your TV console? do consoles have free flash games? If you build your own console, will it play games from other consoles? or will you get sued for infringing console copyright? I doubt you can search cheat codes and Google for tips on your console, unless consoles emulate that too, which would further serve to prove the superiority of PCs, because in the attempt to appear superior with awesome features that they emulate from the PC, they are only proving its superiority over a console. Plagiarism is a sign that they are trying to copy a superior source. If you wish to try and defend your failing consoles, go to my PC gaming forum about PC gaming's superiority. Bring it on. you won't last long at this rate.

1) why do you need web browsers on a console when I can OMG use my PC or my phone even. Fail #1

2) Linux sucks for gaming period. Fail #2

3) Flash games suck. Fail #3

4) Consoles, unlike PC have locked hardware which is a benefit. Closed environment means every game works with no beta drivers. Fail #4

5) Consoles have web browsers and yes they actually do work. Fail #5

6) Consoles sell more games than PC. Generally PC gamers spend $3000 on hardware but cheap out and wait for games to go on sale for $20 which is why developers don't take it seriously and I have a PC I spent about $2k on. Fail #6

I realize this is a joke troll post but common...at least try.

 

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