PCi-express consideration

[ForceCalibur]

Anyone planning to keep their new graphics cards more than a year or so (unless your not upgrading in a very very long time), have you guys considered PCI-express compatibility?

The Geforce 6 seires you can purchase now and use either way. But if you get a X800Pro/XT you'll be stuck on AGP. Or your stuck waiting for X880.

Of course, not a big deal if mobos come out with both AGP + PCi-express, but anyone else concerned?

 

[Matthias99]

Um... I'm confused. You buy a 6800 now, it's an AGP card. It doesn't magically turn into a PCI-E card when PCI-E motherboards come out...

 

[nitromullet]

No. the PCI-E mobos will be expensive at first and I don't see the performance benefit at this point. I'll get a PCI-E rig once the whole LG775/Socket939, DDR2, 64-bit OS, PCI-E thing actually becomes a reality and the first generation kinks are worked out. I will be keeping my 32-bit OS, P4 Northwood, AGP based rig for at least the next year.

 

[ForceCalibur]

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Um... I'm confused. You buy a 6800 now, it's an AGP card. It doesn't magically turn into a PCI-E card when PCI-E motherboards come out...

Nvidia uses a AGP-PCi-express bridge. ATI is native PCi-express eventually, meaning cards you buy now have no chance of fitting into pci-express.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Um... I'm confused. You buy a 6800 now, it's an AGP card. It doesn't magically turn into a PCI-E card when PCI-E motherboards come out...

Nvidia uses a AGP-PCi-express bridge. ATI is native PCi-express eventually, meaning cards you buy now have no chance of fitting into pci-express.

The bridge chip is built into the card, but there are still separate AGP and PCI versions of the cards (one with the chip and one without it)... what kind of crack are you smoking?

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Nvidia uses a AGP-PCi-express bridge. ATI is native PCi-express eventually, meaning cards you buy now have no chance of fitting into pci-express.

I'm sure ATI will have AGP-PCI bridges available for individuals with AGP cards, as well as a native PCI express card.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

Nvidia uses a AGP-PCi-express bridge. ATI is native PCi-express eventually, meaning cards you buy now have no chance of fitting into pci-express.

I'm sure ATI will have AGP-PCI bridges available for individuals with AGP cards, as well as a native PCI express card.

NV went with a bridged solution which gives them the ability to only produce one GPU for both AGP and PCI Express based solutions. There will be no "bridge" to buy for the user from NV or ATI, and AGP 6800 cards have every bit as much a chance to fit in a PCI-e slot as x800pro.

 

[ForceCalibur]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Um... I'm confused. You buy a 6800 now, it's an AGP card. It doesn't magically turn into a PCI-E card when PCI-E motherboards come out...

Nvidia uses a AGP-PCi-express bridge. ATI is native PCi-express eventually, meaning cards you buy now have no chance of fitting into pci-express.

The bridge chip is built into the card, but there are still separate AGP and PCI versions of the cards (one with the chip and one without it)... what kind of crack are you smoking?

Are you reading correctly? Honestly, people don't freaken read and start typing away. I said EVENTUALLY. IF you buy an X800 XT or X800 PRO, they are AGP CARDS. ONly the X880XT and X880PRO will be PCI-express. those come out in SIX MONTHS. UNDERSTAND. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOu???

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Um... I'm confused. You buy a 6800 now, it's an AGP card. It doesn't magically turn into a PCI-E card when PCI-E motherboards come out...

Nvidia uses a AGP-PCi-express bridge. ATI is native PCi-express eventually, meaning cards you buy now have no chance of fitting into pci-express.

The bridge chip is built into the card, but there are still separate AGP and PCI versions of the cards (one with the chip and one without it)... what kind of crack are you smoking?

Are you reading correctly? Honestly, people don't freaken read and start typing away. I said EVENTUALLY. IF you buy an X800 XT or X800 PRO, they are AGP CARDS. ONly the X880XT and X880PRO will be PCI-express. those come out in SIX MONTHS. UNDERSTAND. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOu???

The Geforce 6 seires you can purchase now and use either way.

 

[ForceCalibur]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Um... I'm confused. You buy a 6800 now, it's an AGP card. It doesn't magically turn into a PCI-E card when PCI-E motherboards come out...

Nvidia uses a AGP-PCi-express bridge. ATI is native PCi-express eventually, meaning cards you buy now have no chance of fitting into pci-express.

The bridge chip is built into the card, but there are still separate AGP and PCI versions of the cards (one with the chip and one without it)... what kind of crack are you smoking?

Are you reading correctly? Honestly, people don't freaken read and start typing away. I said EVENTUALLY. IF you buy an X800 XT or X800 PRO, they are AGP CARDS. ONly the X880XT and X880PRO will be PCI-express. those come out in SIX MONTHS. UNDERSTAND. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOu???

The Geforce 6 seires you can purchase now and use either way.

My point exactly

 

[GeneralGrievous]

NV went with a bridged solution which gives them the ability to only produce one GPU for both AGP and PCI Express based solutions. There will be no "bridge" to buy for the user from NV or ATI, and AGP 6800 cards have every bit as much a chance to fit in a PCI-e slot as x800pro.

Ah, so this bridge will only be bundled with the PCI version of the card?

Honestly, I would be shocked if both companies didn't roll out some sort of standalone AGP-PCI bridge once PCI express slots are out and in mainstream motherboards.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Um... I'm confused. You buy a 6800 now, it's an AGP card. It doesn't magically turn into a PCI-E card when PCI-E motherboards come out...

Nvidia uses a AGP-PCi-express bridge. ATI is native PCi-express eventually, meaning cards you buy now have no chance of fitting into pci-express.

The bridge chip is built into the card, but there are still separate AGP and PCI versions of the cards (one with the chip and one without it)... what kind of crack are you smoking?

Are you reading correctly? Honestly, people don't freaken read and start typing away. I said EVENTUALLY. IF you buy an X800 XT or X800 PRO, they are AGP CARDS. ONly the X880XT and X880PRO will be PCI-express. those come out in SIX MONTHS. UNDERSTAND. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOu???

The Geforce 6 seires you can purchase now and use either way.

My point exactly

The "point" is though, its not true.