News [PCGamer] AMD is ahead of Nvidia in overall GPU shipments for the first time since 2013

[Hitman928]

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-is-ahea...-gpu-shipments-for-the-first-time-since-2013/

This does include APUs but not console chips.

Here's a breakdown of how things stand, versus last quarter and last year:

• AMD—17.2 percent (up 1.5 percent sequentially, up 2.4 percent YoY)
• Nvidia—16 percent (down 0.1 percent sequentially, down 1 percent YoY)
• Intel—66.9 percent (down 1.4 percent sequentially, down 1.4 percent YoY)

AMD also gaining back market share in discrete GPUs:

When looking at graphics cards for desktop PCs, AMD now accounts for nearly a third of the market, at 32.1 percent. That still leaves Nvidia with a big majority at 67.9 percent, but if we go back just one quarter, AMD was sitting at 22.7 percent. That's a 9.4 percent jump from one quarter to the next. And if we go back to the end of the 2018, Nvidia was sitting at 81.2 percent.

The split is a little more lopsided in laptops, where Nvidia's discrete GPUs hold a 74 percent share to AMD's 26 percent.

I didn't expect Navi to have this much impact, tbh, didn't think it was strong enough a competitor but I guess it is strong enough that someone wanting an all AMD build can do so now if they aren't looking at the high end of the GPU spectrum. These are also more channel numbers from what I understand rather than sold through numbers so it make take a quarter or two more to see how the real market numbers shake out.

 

[extide]

This is for Q2 so before Navi even came out.

 

[DrMrLordX]

That's really weird. What would be driving AMD GPU shipments in Q2 2019? Picasso maybe? They didn't even make enough Radeon VII cards for it to make a dent.

 

[DeathReborn]

That's really weird. What would be driving AMD GPU shipments in Q2 2019? Picasso maybe? They didn't even make enough Radeon VII cards for it to make a dent.

Firesale Polaris based chips is the reason you are looking for.

 

[Stuka87]

That's really weird. What would be driving AMD GPU shipments in Q2 2019? Picasso maybe? They didn't even make enough Radeon VII cards for it to make a dent.

Could be that the 5x0 series chips were just dirt cheap, while nVidia chips were all expensive. You were able to buy RX580's for like 180 bucks. Thats tough to beat for the vast majority of buyers out there.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Hmm okay. That does make sense. And they're down to around $160 now:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=391&sort=price&page=1

Granted that is with a promo, but if you've got to get rid of stock . . .

 

[happy medium]

They are adding console gpu's and APU's ect ect ect. This is a grab your attention headline for page hits.
Discreet gpu's are still about 73% vs 28%.
And shipments do not equal sales.

 

[kawi6rr]

They are adding console gpu's and APU's ect ect ect. This is a grab your attention headline for page hits.
Discreet gpu's are still about 73% vs 28%.
And shipments do not equal sales.

From the article
Bear in mind that these numbers include all computer graphics shipments (though not console GPUs), including AMD's accelerated processing units (APUs). That's why Intel is way out ahead—a large portion of its processors have integrated graphics, and it ships a lot more CPUs than AMD, especially once you factor in laptops

 

[Hitman928]

This is for Q2 so before Navi even came out.

That's really weird. What would be driving AMD GPU shipments in Q2 2019? Picasso maybe? They didn't even make enough Radeon VII cards for it to make a dent.

These aren't sold to consumer numbers, these are more what AMD sold to their channel partners so I would expect them to include Navi as Navi launched right at the beginning of Q3 so AMD would have had to have these orders by then.

 

[happy medium]

From the article
Bear in mind that these numbers include all computer graphics shipments (though not console GPUs), including AMD's accelerated processing units (APUs). That's why Intel is way out ahead—a large portion of its processors have integrated graphics, and it ships a lot more CPUs than AMD, especially once you factor in laptops

I take back the console statement, but the rest of what I said stands.

 

[extide]

They are adding console gpu's and APU's ect ect ect. This is a grab your attention headline for page hits.
Discreet gpu's are still about 73% vs 28%.
And shipments do not equal sales.

I take back the console statement, but the rest of what I said stands.

It's right in the OP: (from the article)

When looking at graphics cards for desktop PCs, AMD now accounts for nearly a third of the market, at 32.1 percent. That still leaves Nvidia with a big majority at 67.9 percent

 

[GodisanAtheist]

GPUs piggybacking off of a good CPU. AMD is likely pushing prebuilts with a GPU paired, boosting their numbers.

Laptops as well, first time in a long time I've seen Laptops offer semi reasonable AMD options in a loooooong time. Laptops have to come with an APU or often an AMD discrete GPU.

 

[amenx]

Discrete GPU market share.

 

[Hitman928]

Discrete GPU market share.

Yes, now for q2 AMD is at 32.1%.

 

[amenx]

Yes, now for q2 AMD is at 32.1%.

I'll bet most of that due to the very heavily discounted RX570/580 and lower end cards over past few months.

 

[AtenRa]

I'll bet most of that due to the very heavily discounted RX570/580 and lower end cards over past few months.

Ill bet most of the increase came from Mobile (APUs) since Desktop Discrete and integrated GPU volume fell 16.6% Q to Q in Q2 2019.
Desktop GPU volume reaching critical lows that will eventually have an impact on Desktop GPUs prices (already have an increase (Turing/Navi) and im expecting another one in a couple of years).

https://www.jonpeddie.com/store/add-in-board-report

Quarter-to-quarter graphics board shipments decreased (16.6%) and decreased (39.7%) year-to-year.

 

[amenx]

Ill bet most of the increase came from Mobile (APUs) since Desktop Discrete and integrated GPU volume fell 16.6% Q to Q in Q2 2019.
Desktop GPU volume reaching critical lows that will eventually have an impact on Desktop GPUs prices (already have an increase (Turing/Navi) and im expecting another one in a couple of years).

https://www.jonpeddie.com/store/add-in-board-report

I was referring to the discrete ONLY market per the chart I posted. And to which hitman928 said it was 32% if including the last quarter.

 

[Guru]

That's really weird. What would be driving AMD GPU shipments in Q2 2019? Picasso maybe? They didn't even make enough Radeon VII cards for it to make a dent.

Pricing, the RX 570 could have been found often at $130, for a long time with 2 free games as well(worth $120) , so that essentially makes the GPU cost only $10, you essentially buy 2 games and get a free mid range GPU.

The RX 580 4GB could have easily been found for $160 and for a long time with 2 free games as well(out of an option of 3 games), that is amazing value, I mean even people with an 580 already would go in an purchase a second one and gain additional 50-80% more performance, essentially gaining GTX 1080 performance for ultimately $360/70 dollars.

The RX 590 which is about 10% faster than the RX 580 was selling for $220, it was overall very close to the GTX 1070 which was still selling at $400, within 12% in most games, the Vega 56 was selling for $320 or so, even cheaper often so yeah, amazing value cards, and especially for people who are say mid range gamers they could now get a amazing card like the vega 56 for $320. Vega 56 was on average faster than the 1070 by about 10%.

Now Navi is king of value, there is no better value cards than the RX 5700 and the RX 5700xt, nvidia is basically ignoring Navi in essence and pretending they don't exist and counting on nvidia loyalty to get people to buy their cards over the Navi competition, which is actually mind blowingly working.

The RTX 2060 is useless compared to the RX 5700, it is slower, it consumes more power, it has less vram, it's much worse in general in vulkan and DX12 games, and costs about the same as an 5700. Why would anyone buy RTX 2060 over the RX 5700?

Same with the RTX 2060 super or the RTX 2070, why would anyone buy these when they are slower, consume same or more in the 2070 case power, much worse vulkan performance overall, cost more.

Again the RX 5700xt is 10% faster than the RTX 2060super for the same price.

Now if AMD can hurry up and bring up the rest of the Navi lineup, including lower end and higher end sku's that would be great.

 

[Muhammed]

it's much worse in general in vulkan and DX12 games,

It's not, Turing is strong in Vulkan and DX12, just see Doom and Wolfesnteien numbers for comparison.

 

[amenx]

It's not, Turing is strong in Vulkan and DX12, just see Doom and Wolfesnteien numbers for comparison.

Yep, also Rage 2.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/21.html

 

[Guru]

e faster than the 1070 by about 10%.

re is no better value cards than the RX 5700 and the RX

It's not, Turing is strong in Vulkan and DX12, just see Doom and Wolfesnteien numbers for comparison.

They are quite faster in Wolfenstein 2, Metro Exodus, Shadow of the Tomb raider, Strange Brigade, Forza 4. Sure Turing is much faster over Pascal in DX12 and Vulkan, but it still trails Navi.

 

[Muhammed]

but it still trails Navi.

Nope, not in Wolfesntein 2 or Youngblood, not in Rage 2, not even in the good old Doom, You have the habit of speaking without reference:


https://techreport.com/review/34646...eon-rx-5700-series-graphics-cards-reviewed/3/



https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/21.html

The 2070S is so fast it even beats Radeon VII in Wolfesntein:



https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wolfenstein-youngblood-benchmark-test-performance/4.html

Forza 4.

Not any more, Turing is faster in Forza 4 now, using the latest driver which brought 30% uplift!
https://www.patreon.com/posts/29480671

Strange Brigade

Faster here too.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/29480671

 

[NostaSeronx]

Guess we got to wait for Navi 21 or is it Navi 12?



We also don't know when that will drop.

 

[AtenRa]

Nope, not in Wolfesntein 2 or Youngblood, not in Rage 2, not even in the good old Doom, You have the habit of speaking without reference:


https://techreport.com/review/34646...eon-rx-5700-series-graphics-cards-reviewed/3/



https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/21.html

The 2070S is so fast it even beats Radeon VII in Wolfesntein:



https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wolfenstein-youngblood-benchmark-test-performance/4.html


Not any more, Turing is faster in Forza 4 now, using the latest driver which brought 30% uplift!
https://www.patreon.com/posts/29480671


Faster here too.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/29480671

RX5700XT competitor is the 2060 Super , not the 2070 Super.

RX 5700XT vs 2060 Super = same transistor count, same price, same market segment

 

[VirtualLarry]

Not any more, Turing is faster in Forza 4 now, using the latest driver which brought 30% uplift!
https://www.patreon.com/posts/29480671

So, NVidia is still playing the "replacement shader code" game, I see. Replacing shader codes in existing games, with NVidia-optimized ones that take advantage of the dual-issue int and FP in the Turing ALU/CUDA cores.

At least, that's how I figure that they're getting their speed-ups. Although, if it's game agnostic, then perhaps they've improved the Shader Compilier, or something else.