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PC graphics shipments down 0.9% in Q3, AMD slips as Intel and Nvidia gain

Sickamore

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According to the newest Market Watch report from Jon Peddie Research, graphics chip shipments in Q3 were down 0.9% sequentially, affected by the 8.4% drop in notebook sales due to lower spending in mature markets.

Despite having a strong DirectX 11 line-up for both desktops and notebooks, AMD has actually lost market share to its rivals, going from the 25% of Q2 to Q3's 22.3%. The other side of the coin has Nvidia going up to*21.2% (from*20.7% in Q2) and Intel to*55.6% (53.4%).

Jon Peddie Research is predicting graphics chip shipments of*473.1 million for 2010, up over 14% compared to 2009.


http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/misc/31305/pc-graphics-shipments-down-09-q3-amd-slips-intel-and-nvidia-gain
 
So intel has not 75% CPU market but 77.7% now?
So Nvidia has 21.2% of grafics card sold.. AMD has 78.8%?

Not as good as haveing 90%+ of the dx11 market... almost 80% though is still alot.

Whoever wrote that, this Cristian guy that was the auther, explained things really badly... hard to understand what he means.

Just wait another year so AMD can get rid of all its debt.. Then you should see them doing better after that. Their probably saveing money everywhere they can right now.

I think amd might get abit more cpu market soon, with Bulldozer and Llano/zacate around the corner. Bulldozer will probably take some of the server market share from intel (not huge amounts but amd will probably make progress), and the fusion chips look like they ll be the hottest thing since sliced bread in laptops (and are dirt cheap to make).
 
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More complete report

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...-announces-3rd-quarter-pc-graphics-shipments/

The free sample doesn't split discrete and IGP.

AMD attributed its slip in market share to weakened demand and OEMs letting their GPU inventory run down to avoid being stuck with leftover processors. Due to real and perceived shortages in supply, some customers shifted their purchases to rival Nvidia. And there may have been some deemphasis on GPUs after a significant weakening of the Euro, with laptop makers settling for cheaper, integrated graphics instead. AMD graphics revenue decreased 11 percent sequentially but increased 33 percent year-over-year.

Intel reported "revenue from client chipset and other" of $1.75 billion up from $1.68 billion in Q2.

"No one knows how much cannibalization there is in tablets," said Intel President and CEO Paul Otellini, "but the numbers are relatively small". About 8 million iPads shipped in the third quarter which is 11% of an estimated 70 million notebooks and netbooks over the same period. Intel's Atom processor revenues were down 4% in Q3 which some observers are attributing to cannibalization by tablets. In June, Intel announced it would make new chips for tablets, and previewed "Oak Trail" tablets scheduled for release in 2011.

Nvidia's fiscal quarter, straddles the calendar quarters. Their next quarter ends in October 31
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Arkadrel said:
So intel has not 75% CPU market but 77.7% now?
So Nvidia has 21.2% of grafics card sold.. AMD has 78.8%?
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I think you misunderstood that. If Nvidia has 21% that does not mean AMD would have 78%. The lions share of the GPU market goes to Intel, not Nvidia or AMD. Onboard/integrated graphics is part of that market.
 
Yes thats true... however units sold =/= profits.
Which is probably more important than how many units of something you sell.
Which is why I prefer just looking at how much money both companys make when compaireing them.

@amenx yeah I misunderstood. I think that refers to all cards on the market and their share of total market. When I read it I just assumed it refered to the directx 11 only market, since you kept hearing how amd had 90% of it. So I assumed Amd had gone from 90% -> 80% or something.
 
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I always get upset when Intel craphics gains market share from AMD/NV.

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It's hard to compare quarter to quarter. People's buying trends change by season. Year to year seems to be a better barometer. 4th quarter is the make or break quarter for consumer electronics. I'll be interested to see what happens the holiday season.
 
RussianSensation said:
I always get upset when Intel craphics gains market share from AMD/NV.

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They are good for power saving for switchable laptop graphics. 😀

In my university I'll say 99% of laptops I see here have NV/ATI stickers. Even non-techies must have learnt by now Intel graphics are to be avoided like the plague.
 
RussianSensation said:
I always get upset when Intel craphics gains market share from AMD/NV.
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intel makes the best graphics solution on the market for non gamers. it has the absolute lowest power consumption, temp, and size.

I attribute intel's gains to their constant improvement in that area.
 
How true, taltamir. I just don't understand ANYONE getting upset with Intel increasing its market share with onboard gpu's. After all, Intel's gpu's aren't being sold to the whole 1% of the market that consist of gamers.....unless you count Farmville as a "game."
 
RussianSensation said:
I always get upset when Intel craphics gains market share from AMD/NV.

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LOL . I am sorry to laugh at your pain . Do us all a favor don't read the same report for qt.1 2011 . SB will be out. Watch both amd/NV market share fall . At the same time intels increases to around 66%. I don't want you to have a stroke so please skip the 1st qt 2011 report.
 
Those marketshare numbers are exactly why Nvidia seeks other revenues streams from their GPU. Intel is just eating the market alive.
 
Genx87 said:
Those marketshare numbers are exactly why Nvidia seeks other revenues streams from their GPU. Intel is just eating the market alive.
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Not really, what % of discrete video card sales do Intel get? Theres two separate markets there, NV/AMD own one of them, Intel does very well in the other.
 
Meghan54 said:
How true, taltamir. I just don't understand ANYONE getting upset with Intel increasing its market share with onboard gpu's. After all, Intel's gpu's aren't being sold to the whole 1% of the market that consist of gamers.....unless you count Farmville as a "game."
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I guess you misunderstood me. If more people buy integrated graphics, that means less "gamers" (as we define them) exist on the market. If these consumers are perfectly fine using crap graphics, that means they are not at all interested in playing 3D games. This also implies the same people are not interested in playing future modern games either. This in turn makes it less appealing for PC developers to develop PC exclusives. It also makes development for the PC gaming platform prohibively expensive since your user base only keeps shrinking. No wonder almost all PC game developers now develop cross-platform games. So why shouldn't I bet upset about this general trend??

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Nemesis 1 said:
LOL . I am sorry to laugh at your pain . I don't want you to have a stroke so please skip the 1st qt 2011 report.
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It's sad that you are laughing. If you think that your projected 66% market share having graphics solutions that can't play any modern games is good for us gamers, then be my guest. I guess you are happy to see Windows 7 becoming an email/web browsing/social media platform where games are an afterthought like iOS.

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Not really, what % of discrete video card sales do Intel get? Theres two separate markets there, NV/AMD own one of them, Intel does very well in the other.
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Yes, and the market we care about is getting smaller. Basically, every new laptop purchased is more likely to get Intel GPU in it. As more people are shifting away from more powerful desktops towards laptops, it's becoming pretty clear that the market for ALL discrete GPUs is shrinking year after year in terms of discrete gpu units shipped. Basically, consumers are sending a clear message that most of them don't care about gaming graphics.
 
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RussianSensation said:
Yes, and the market we care about is getting smaller. Basically, every new laptop purchased is more likely to get Intel GPU in it. As more people are shifting away from more powerful desktops towards laptops, it's becoming pretty clear that the market for ALL discrete GPUs is shrinking year after year in terms of discrete gpu units shipped. Basically, consumers are sending a clear message that most of them don't care about gaming graphics.
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Anyone who is happy with integrated graphics wouldnt have been in the market for a discrete card anyway.

I'd guess that the fall in sales of descrete cards has more to do with the rise of consoles than Intels integrated graphics.
 
WelshBloke said:
Anyone who is happy with integrated graphics wouldnt have been in the market for a discrete card anyway.

I'd guess that the fall in sales of descrete cards has more to do with the rise of consoles than Intels integrated graphics.
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WelshBloke said:
Probably, but what level do you think integrated graphics will get to in the short/medium term?

I'd say nothing that would interest even a fairly casual gamer.
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I could be fundamentally wrong about this, and I realize me saying the following is like preaching fire and brimstone to an evolutionary biology convention filled with Darwin fans, but I have long-held the viewpoint that the coming wave of CPUGPU fusion chips is the equivalent of the transition between discreet sound-cards and the subsequent transition to lower-performing (but acceptably so) integrated sound on the mobo itself.

I know the last time I cared to buy a discreet sound-card was circa 2002. I was highly tempted to buy a creative card around 2006, but the mobo I bought had "HD Audio" and when I hooked up my speakers I decided it was good enough and not worth improving for another $100 for the sound-card.

That is where I see fusion from Intel and AMD taking VC&G. In five years its not going to be a matter of whether or not a discreet card would yield higher performance, it will/would, but the performance that a consumer already has from the parts they already bought will be "good enough".

Once the marketshare for graphics heads towards IGP-levels so too will the games, that is where the volume will be. Look at the consoles. Its not about performance, good enough is just that.
 
Idontcare said:
That is where I see fusion from Intel and AMD taking VC&G. In five years its not going to be a matter of whether or not a discreet card would yield higher performance, it will/would, but the performance that a consumer already has from the parts they already bought will be "good enough".

Once the marketshare for graphics heads towards IGP-levels so too will the games, that is where the volume will be. Look at the consoles. Its not about performance, good enough is just that.
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I 100% agree with this. IGP will reach a point there any performance advantages of a discreet card will not be enough for the vast majority to spend the money on or care.

Discreet will be for the high end, for the purist and enthusiast that wants the best. Much like now, you can spend some big bucks on a specialized sound card, but hardly anyone does.
 
the notion that market share = market size is incorrect.
Intel can be expanding its market percentage, while discreet cards can be going down percentage wise, yet at the same time market size for discreet cards can be increasing...
all it takes is for the IGP market to be growing faster.

so, if IGP market size increased by 5 million units a year and discreet by 4 million units, you will see discreet marketshare percentage decrease, even though it increased by 4 million units.

i wonder if they limited it to laptops and desktops... because intel has been shipping a lot of atom IGP based units for tablets, media extender devices, etc... heck, we even have the new "internet TVs"... like the sony one, it comes with googleTV (android OS + software) and runs on intel atom SOC.
 
AnandThenMan said:
Discreet will be for the high end, for the purist and enthusiast that wants the best. Much like now, you can spend some big bucks on a specialized sound card, but hardly anyone does.
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But it's still a bit of a different argument since appreciating better quality sound requires decent speakers and good ears, while wanting to play videogames actually requires that you are interested in them in first place. So even if people are using inferior onboard sound, they are still listening to music and watching movies and buying the media related to sound. Correct? However, moving towards onboard graphics actually means NOT using the media which is videogames.

As a side note,

I had been using onboard sound cards for years (probably like 8 years). Once I have upgraded to X-Fi Platinum, I am NEVER going back to onboard sound. If you enjoy music listening, the difference is MASSIVE. 😀 Like the difference between X-Fi sound quality to me vs. onboard Realtek on my P55 board is like going from GeForce 6600 to GTX470. Probably more; and the X-FI is nowhere near the best soundcard with Xonar around and neither are my speakers :thumbsup:

Every time someone comes for a visit, I always let them hear sound without and with X-FI and they are always blown away.
 
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