PC gaming is still alive, Nvidia post record revenue

[desprado]

The difference in case some of you haven't understood between Joe Macri "Overclocker's dream" and NV's release of specs to the press, is Joe's words are tested by the press, review sites verify it OC poorly from day 1. Whereas NV was busy telling all the press sites their 970 has 4GB vram, 256 bit bus and the full ROPs.

People who bought Fury X certainly didn't do it because it was an overclocker's dream. But many folks who bought the 970 certain did so because of its 4GB vram and identical 980 specs on bandwidth and ROPs.

We're seeing that lie affect performance now at 1080p in single GPU.

It affected performance THEN at 1440p with SLI 970s.

Sure you can say SLI is less usage scenario, but to say it has no affect due to its gimped 3.5 + 0.5GB vram segment is a damn lie. Stop propagating the lie and stop defending such behaviors of blatant false advertisement.

Ask yourself why are you defending such bad business practices? Are you really such a sheep?

I am not a blind person. I will never purchase GTX 970 over R9 390 just like Fury X over GTX 980 Ti.

R9 390 is AMD best card and GTX 980 Ti is nvidia.

 

[Silverforce11]

I am not a blind person. I will never purchase GTX 970 over R9 390 just like Fury X over GTX 980 Ti.

R9 390 is AMD best card and GTX 980 Ti is nvidia.

I agree, which is why I didn't upgrade to Fury X, it's overpriced. Waiting on the real next-gen.

At least we can agree on some things!

 

[frozentundra123456]

So it is alright to lie, as long as someone proves you wrong on day 1? Okay......

 

[Silverforce11]

So it is alright to lie, as long as someone proves you wrong on day 1? Okay......

PR can say what they want (and PR on all sides exaggerates), this is why there's independent review sites to test those claims. It's also why we always say take figures or numbers from vendors with a grain of salt.

These claims are tested, buyers aren't fooled. It's actually not alright either way, I hope nobody at AMD or NV keeps making these unsubstantiated claims.

However, it's a different issue when review sites are given specifically false info (hardware specs) and they transmit that to readers.. it's perpetuating the lies.

Another example for you, AnandTech's DX12 Async Shading article, where they asked NV about support and queues and NV's PR told them Maxwell is capable of that feature...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9124/amd-dives-deep-on-asynchronous-shading

On a side note, part of the reason for AMD's presentation is to explain their architectural advantages over NVIDIA, so we checked with NVIDIA on queues. Fermi/Kepler/Maxwell 1 can only use a single graphics queue or their complement of compute queues, but not both at once – early implementations of HyperQ cannot be used in conjunction with graphics. Meanwhile Maxwell 2 has 32 queues, composed of 1 graphics queue and 31 compute queues (or 32 compute queues total in pure compute mode). So pre-Maxwell 2** GPUs have to either execute in serial or pre-empt to move tasks ahead of each other, which would indeed give AMD an advantage..

** We now know this is a blatant lie. It's not capable of that in DX12, nor in Vulkan.

https://community.amd.com/community...blade-stealth-plus-razer-core-gaming-solution

AMD's advanced Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture, which is currently the only architecture in the world that supports DX12's asynchronous shading

https://community.amd.com/community...on-gpus-are-ready-for-the-vulkan-graphics-api

Only Radeon™ GPUs built on the GCN Architecture currently have access to a powerful capability known as asynchronous compute, which allows the graphics card to process 3D geometry and compute workloads in parallel.

Let me ask you, is that behavior of intentionally lying to the press to fool buyers with false spec and false feature support acceptable to you?

Why are you defending that?

 

[boozzer]

Your posts really come across like a sales pitch.

hahahahaaa, bro that is exactly what it is you would think he is on nv's payroll or something. that is alot of effort.


Member callouts are not permitted

-Rvenger

 

[ShintaiDK]

Cue the sour grapes from AMD fans.

3 pages later. Spot on. And its already turned into an AMD vs Nvidia fight by the ADF.

Next time you derail with "ADF" talk, you will have VC&G access revoked for a long time.

-Rvenger

 

[desprado]

3 pages later. Spot on. And its already turned into an AMD vs Nvidia fight by the ADF.

This is the reason why AMD community is control in Twitter because it is totally dead.

 

[provost]

Why, because Jen-Hsun can put on a good show for a few junior analysts who are still wet behind the ears? It was hilarious to hear Nvidia extolling the virtues of how “plugged in” it is with its “install base” (by the way this is the term I coined, really, in this context, so I am gonna sue all these analysts and Nvidia using without my consent…. just like Trump .. of course its sarcastic humor ..lol)
When in reality, Nvidia has never been so disconnected with its install base (TM by me..lol), and don’t even get me started on the line of bull on Gameworks that Nvidia fed to these young’uns with a straight face.
I think these analysts gotta go and work at a decent distressed buy side shop, before jumping to the sell-side, as opposed to the other way around, from sell-side to buy side…lol

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Not surprised. A 970 compares to a 380x if you estimate production cost. There has to be a huge margin on nvidia cards at the moment.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

I agree, which is why I didn't upgrade to Fury X, it's overpriced. Waiting on the real next-gen.

At least we can agree on some things!

It's better at mining litecoins

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

I am not a blind person. I will never purchase GTX 970 over R9 390 just like Fury X over GTX 980 Ti.

R9 390 is AMD best card and GTX 980 Ti is nvidia.

And yet, 970 is by far the most popular 300 dollars+ cards according to steam survey. Gamers fall simply for the marketing and not the actual specs

 

[ShintaiDK]

Gamers fall simply for the marketing and not the actual specs

You gaming on an FX CPU like your avatar suggests? ()

 

[desprado]

You gaming on an FX CPU like your avatar suggests? ()

Even Lisa su do not use AMD CPU lol that is the main lol.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Why, because Jen-Hsun can put on a good show for a few junior analysts who are still wet behind the ears? It was hilarious to hear Nvidia extolling the virtues of how “plugged in” it is with its “install base” (by the way this is the term I coined, really, in this context, so I am gonna sue all these analysts and Nvidia using without my consent…. just like Trump .. of course its sarcastic humor ..lol)
When in reality, Nvidia has never been so disconnected with its install base (TM by me..lol), and don’t even get me started on the line of bull on Gameworks that Nvidia fed to these young’uns with a straight face.
I think these analysts gotta go and work at a decent distressed buy side shop, before jumping to the sell-side, as opposed to the other way around, from sell-side to buy side…lol

I think that the "hardcore, whine-about-everything-all-of-the-time" portion of the installed base represent a small minority of PC gamers/dGPU buyers.

Back in the real world, NVIDIA's GeForce GTX revenue is surging. Part of it is of course a result of ripping AMD to shreds, but AMD doesn't even have enough market share to take to account for these kinds of growth numbers.

 

[Arachnotronic]

And yet, 970 is by far the most popular 300 dollars+ cards according to steam survey. Gamers fall simply for the marketing and not the actual specs

Better than knowingly buying trash hardware due to brand loyalty. *cough*

 

[MrK6]

Wow, reading the thread title I thought this would have been news about some new, innovative technologies coming to the PC; instead it's just the perennial brainwashed circlejerking about numbers they don't comprehend. Never change you guys :thumbsup:

 

[raghu78]

I think that the "hardcore, whine-about-everything-all-of-the-time" portion of the installed base represent a small minority of PC gamers/dGPU buyers.

oh you mean the portion of the installed base which actually wants their Kepler GPU to be well supported after the Maxwell launches and can see through Nvidia's intentional neglect and gimping of Kepler. :thumbsup:

Yeah its true that people with common sense are a minority.

Better than knowingly buying trash hardware due to brand loyalty. *cough*

oh you mean like the Kepler card owners or the current Maxwell card owners once Pascal launches.

 

[Arachnotronic]

oh you mean the portion of the installed base which actually wants their Kepler GPU to be well supported after the Maxwell launches and can see through Nvidia's intentional neglect and gimping of Kepler. :thumbsup:

What proof do you have that NVIDIA is "intentionally gimping" Kepler?

Yeah its true that people with common sense are a minority.

Then it's not so "common" is it?

oh you mean like the Kepler card owners or the current Maxwell card owners once Pascal launches.

Whatever you say

 

[Arachnotronic]

numbers they don't comprehend. Never change you guys :thumbsup:

What makes you think the people discussing these financial results don't comprehend them?

 

[MrK6]

oh you mean the portion of the installed base which actually wants their Kepler GPU to be well supported after the Maxwell launches and can see through Nvidia's intentional neglect and gimping of Kepler. :thumbsup:

It's pretty inane at this point. A GTX 770 has, what? Approximately 50% more GPU than a 960? Yet they're neck-and-neck in modern games. It's atrocious. Nvidia completely hung Kepler users out to dry.

What makes you think the people discussing these financial results don't comprehend them?

The (lack of) value of the discussion and the desperate attempts to somehow use it to quantify Nvidia users' e-peen. It's like the lot of you are heavily invested in nvidia stocks, which you're not. How well nvidia does financially as a company has little impact on what an enthusiast cares about - better hardware, better games, and better tech. It could be argued that it even hurts us, a la "hey, we're already profitable, why try/innovate more?" On top of that, the "lol AMD users" posts just goes to show how deeply entrenched nvidia's marketing is in some people - they literally paid more for worse performance, with the startling trend of being completely sold out for the next gen, and despite that are still happy about it. Unbelievable.

 

[provost]

I think that the "hardcore, whine-about-everything-all-of-the-time" portion of the installed base represent a small minority of PC gamers/dGPU buyers.

Back in the real world, NVIDIA's GeForce GTX revenue is surging. Part of it is of course a result of ripping AMD to shreds, but AMD doesn't even have enough market share to take to account for these kinds of growth numbers.

I don’t know what models you all are running, as I leave the lookback financials to the accountants. On a go forward basis, I just don’t see Nvidia realizing any material growth from any segment, at least not without sacrificing margins, other than cutting costs to sustain the earnings. We shall see… as for the install base, I do believe it’s just more than the hard-core whiners that are dissatisfied with Nvidia, and professionally speaking, I wouldn’t describe NVidia’s customers as its “install base”, as if they are tied into some sort of software services agreement with recurring revenues every time NVidia feels like goosing them for an upgrade. These customers will gladly move to AMD, if AMD has a better hardware offering. Even without AMD, Nvidia growth trajectory looks pretty lame. So, yeah, back in the real world, Nvidia can only do buybacks and dividend outs for so long…..

 

[Flapdrol1337]

It's pretty inane at this point. A GTX 770 has, what? Approximately 50% more GPU than a 960?

The 960 is a 23% smaller chip, but even less devoted to dp compute.

 

[raghu78]

What proof do you have that NVIDIA is "intentionally gimping" Kepler?

Look at Kepler performance in a Gameworks title and non Gameworks title. R9 280X matching 780 Ti in COD BO3 and Batman Arkham Knight both of which are Gameworks titles.

http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/call-of-duty-black-ops-iii-test-gpu-2015.html

http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/batman-arkham-knight-test-gpu-2015.html

Now a neutral title like GTA V

http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/grand-theft-auto-v-test-gpu-2015.html

 

[raghu78]

It's pretty inane at this point. A GTX 770 has, what? Approximately 50% more GPU than a 960? Yet they're neck-and-neck in modern games. It's atrocious. Nvidia completely hung Kepler users out to dry.

Its not the neck and neck cases which must be hurting. Its when the GTX 960 clearly beats the GTX 770 in Gameworks titles and makes it seem like a much slower card. Even accounting for 35% better perf/cuda core in Maxwell the GTX 770 has 50% more cuda cores and double the memory bandwidth. How the heck does the GTX 770 get beaten ? The most frustrating aspect for Kepler owners is this happens in Gameworks titles. You would expect Nvidia to make sure Kepler does better atleast in their own titles. But its the other way around here, where Nvidia uses Gameworks to hurt performance on last gen cards, thus forcing customers to upgrade to latest gen.

The (lack of) value of the discussion and the desperate attempts to somehow use it to quantify Nvidia users' e-peen. It's like the lot of you are heavily invested in nvidia stocks, which you're not. How well nvidia does financially as a company has little impact on what an enthusiast cares about - better hardware, better games, and better tech. It could be argued that it even hurts us, a la "hey, we're already profitable, why try/innovate more?" On top of that, the "lol AMD users" posts just goes to show how deeply entrenched nvidia's marketing is in some people - they literally paid more for worse performance, with the startling trend of being completely sold out for the next gen, and despite that are still happy about it. Unbelievable.

couldn't agree with you more. :thumbsup: its good to hear this from a Nvidia GPU owner. Its those who defend Nvidia actions who really baffle me. I don't care about Nvidia profits or AMD losses. But I do care how they support my GPU purchase long after I bought it ? There are few here who defend Nvidia's shady tactics as if they are Nvidia shareholders or on their payroll.

 

[Arachnotronic]

How well nvidia does financially as a company has little impact on what an enthusiast cares about - better hardware, better games, and better tech. It could be argued that it even hurts us, a la "hey, we're already profitable, why try/innovate more?" On top of that, the "lol AMD users" posts just goes to show how deeply entrenched nvidia's marketing is in some people - they literally paid more for worse performance, with the startling trend of being completely sold out for the next gen, and despite that are still happy about it. Unbelievable.

What a load of nonsense.

When a company does well, this generally gives them room to invest further. This, for example, is why NVIDIA's R&D budget has been able to climb over the last several years while AMD's has shrunken. NVIDIA can simply afford to invest more to realize the products of tomorrow thanks to the financial successes of today.

If you genuinely think that a company like NVIDIA (or any reasonably well run tech company) will say, "oh look, we're profitable, time to hit the brakes" then you really have a poor understanding of business reality. In the fast paced world of semiconductors, you can't afford to rest on your laurels lest some other hungrier/more aggressive company comes in and starts ripping away market share from you.

R&D cycles for these products are on the order of YEARS, so it's very difficult to recover from a screw-up (see: Bulldozer).

Anyway, if you look at the trend in NVIDIA's R&D you can see very clearly that they aren't just kicking their feet up and coasting; they're investing more today because that's what it takes to be successful tomorrow.