Seems to me the reason you can't return software to the vender is bullshit by the publishers standards.
They claim 'because it can be copied'
However, it can't be copied by the average joe, who is the one who will be purchasing the game in the first place. The pirate will always find a way to crack it, but the average joe cannot really get around the copy protection, thus making it unable to be copied. Therefore, the product should be returnable. Otherwise, get rid of this DRM bullshit. If it does nothing the help the consumer, then get rid of it. Seems to me the public has been all to gullable with this stuff. We already have the facts
1) What copy protection has not been cracked on a game? None.
2) If the game is going to be cracked by the pirates who distribute it on a large scale, what did this invasive DRM stop? Nothing, not even average joe, because he would have purchased the game. He would be far better off downloading a torrent of the already cracked game than trying to crack it on his own. Same with his friends.
DRM plain and simple is bullshit and only causes grief for the end user. The more end-users become burned by DRM, the more people will pirate...
They claim 'because it can be copied'
However, it can't be copied by the average joe, who is the one who will be purchasing the game in the first place. The pirate will always find a way to crack it, but the average joe cannot really get around the copy protection, thus making it unable to be copied. Therefore, the product should be returnable. Otherwise, get rid of this DRM bullshit. If it does nothing the help the consumer, then get rid of it. Seems to me the public has been all to gullable with this stuff. We already have the facts
1) What copy protection has not been cracked on a game? None.
2) If the game is going to be cracked by the pirates who distribute it on a large scale, what did this invasive DRM stop? Nothing, not even average joe, because he would have purchased the game. He would be far better off downloading a torrent of the already cracked game than trying to crack it on his own. Same with his friends.
DRM plain and simple is bullshit and only causes grief for the end user. The more end-users become burned by DRM, the more people will pirate...
When I decided to upgrade my copy of The Witcher(normal, disk version) to Enhanced Edition, it required me to have registered my copy of the The Witcher before hand. It then authenticates with the server to see if you have a legit version of the game during the start of the patching process.
Crysis: Warhead is limited to 5 activations, Steam version is also crippled with this.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/17330/
Red Alert 3 is also limited to 5 activations.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169818
Fifa 09 has a 5 activation limit, with the latest patch you can now revoke.
http://news.bigdownload.com/20...nload-fifa-09-patch-2/
Far Cry 2 can be activated 5 times on 3 separate PCs. So thats 3 simultaneous activations with 2 extra lives if you fail to revoke the first time around.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170681
Sacred 2 has a 2 time activation limit.
http://www.rpgwatch.com/show/n...siteid=1&newsbit=10223
Alone in the Dark also is limited to 2 activations.
There is no longer any need to revoke for Bioshock since all activation limits have been removed. Game still requires online activation for installation.
http://forums.2kgames.com/foru...howthread.php?p=296125
Football Manager 2009 uses Uniloc DRM, 5 activation limit, revoke is possible.
http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=60817
Steam version of Football Manager 2009 also has Uniloc and the 5 activation limit too.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/10540/
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I do find this somewhat disturbing. Fifa 09 is an EA game, so it's entirely possible to add a revoke system to EA games, as shown here. So why does this not exist in other EA games yet? Like Spore.. You'd think with all the shit they've dealt with they'd have released a patch for Spore at least. Not to mention the countless other EA games that don't have a revoke system yet.
mindcycle, thank you very much for creating this thread!
I've had problems with Securom, and swore I would never buy another game with it. I'll miss out on some good gaming, but better that than supporting an invasive POS.
I guess I'll just cut down on my PC gaming and use my Wii and PS3 more. And publishers wonder why PC game sales are down. :|
On the other hand, I might give Sins of a Solar Empire a try. That's a game I might not otherwise have considered buying except for this DRM crap.
I've had problems with Securom, and swore I would never buy another game with it. I'll miss out on some good gaming, but better that than supporting an invasive POS.
I guess I'll just cut down on my PC gaming and use my Wii and PS3 more. And publishers wonder why PC game sales are down. :|
On the other hand, I might give Sins of a Solar Empire a try. That's a game I might not otherwise have considered buying except for this DRM crap.
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Just a headsup here. The games on GoG have some type of DRM, although I'm not sure what type it happens to be. About a week ago, my proprietary (FIOS) router failed, and I couldn't play any of the three games I've bought from them until the new one was installed.
All three of them would blackscreen when you tried to start them, and I wasn't able to Alt-Tab or even Ctrl-Alt-Del, to get back to the desktop. I tried all three games multiple times, and every time a hard reset was the only option. I was pretty surprised, to say the least, since they tout all of their games as being "DRM-free", and they obviously aren't.
All three of them would blackscreen when you tried to start them, and I wasn't able to Alt-Tab or even Ctrl-Alt-Del, to get back to the desktop. I tried all three games multiple times, and every time a hard reset was the only option. I was pretty surprised, to say the least, since they tout all of their games as being "DRM-free", and they obviously aren't.
Maybe he works for Securom? He obviously hasn't been paying attention. The people who read this thread are willing to pay $50 per game. They just don't want the "extra" software baggage that comes with it. Pirates won't even look at this thread, except to laugh at the honest people and software publishers.
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Interesting. I wonder if they require online authentication or something like that, in which case their games actually contain DRM..
I'm a bit tired of these download services claiming their games don't use DRM when they use one of the most invasive forms, online authentication. For example, Impulse..
I'm going to try and find out the answer to this, but if you do so before me let me know.
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As far as I can tell GOG games are completely DRM free since you can archive them and install them whenever you'd like. They even tell you in their FAQ that you can install them on as many machines as you want, but urge not to install it on your friends machine. It's more of a, "just don't do that" kind of statement, rather than you can't do that even if you tried. So it leads me to believe that the executable files you download actually are completely DRM free.
http://www.gog.com/en/support/...lp/downloads_and_games
If someones finds out otherwise please let me know.
http://www.gog.com/en/support/...lp/downloads_and_games
If someones finds out otherwise please let me know.
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What I'm pissed about is games that are on Steam still have other types of DRM. So I guess we need DRM upon DRM.
I wonder if their DRM has finally come back to bite them:
http://www.marketwatch.com/new...rts&symb=ERTS&sid=6170
http://www.marketwatch.com/new...rts&symb=ERTS&sid=6170
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It would be interesting if DRM was part of the reason their sales were not as expected. I bet it also has to do with the fact there is a recession going on in the US and people can't justify spending $60 on another Madden game..
In other news, it appears boxed versions of the new Prince of Persia will contain no DRM.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...08132/m/6971093507/p/3
I've been keeping my eye on that, and hopefully it's actually true.
Not sure if you want to add this to the list, but I found this post on /. that claims that you can install and run Fallout 3 from the retail package WITHOUT SecuRom. I don't have the game yet (my current CPU/video card can't handle it and I won't get my parts until next week 
), so I can't verify this for myself. Can someone else that has FO3 verify if this is, in fact, true?
-Tom
), so I can't verify this for myself. Can someone else that has FO3 verify if this is, in fact, true?-Tom
Useful list/thread. I'm not likely to be buying any of those games any time soon (I might eventually crack with respect to fallout3, a disk check I can live with). One thing I'd like to see info on is - do the uninstalls of these games uninstall securerom fully (or at all)? Ditto with the other DRMs (Steam would be a different issue obviously).
And if not, are there instructions how to clean this junk off my machine if and when required? If I decided to tolerate its presence for the sake of Fallout3, say, I'd like to be able to get rid of it as soon as it was no longer needed.
And if not, are there instructions how to clean this junk off my machine if and when required? If I decided to tolerate its presence for the sake of Fallout3, say, I'd like to be able to get rid of it as soon as it was no longer needed.
This one is just flat out wrong. I worked at Best Buy when this game was released and I could see right on the box a warning about it conflicting with virtual drive software. I'm pretty sure that's called DRM.
prince of persia review
Yep, that's the warning on the box I saw. Thanks ubisoft, you assholes.
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