PC for Design work-urgent help-Ordering in a day in USA

[p1tin]

I request your input on getting a good build for purpose mentioned below:

1. What is the purpose of the computer? (Note: If you are planning to say multimedia, you will have to be more specific as all types of systems are capable of doing that)
A: Graphics processing,Architecture softwares, AutoCAD, 3D Studio Max with VRaY and other plugin photoshop etc. other purpose include using it for internet browsing, downloading, Microsoft office, watching HD movies, songs etc;
I had already asked this an year ago and got fantastic support. Now a new system needs to be build for my other friend with work profile same as posted in previous thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2331290&page=3

2. Are you open to alternate ideas/products giving similar better performance but offering more VFM/ sellers? If not- why?
A: yes

3. What is your MAX budget?
A: Maximum $1000-$1200.

4. Planning to overclock?
A: No

5. Which OS are you planning to use?
A: Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

6. How much hard drive space is needed?
A: Minimum 1 TB. I am planning to have WD black edition which will be more reliable.

7. What resolution will the screen run at & whats the size of the screen you want?
A: 22 Inches monitor

8. How would you rate your hardware knowledge from the count of 1-10? (1 being the lowest, 5 being you are somewhat in sync with the current performers and 10 being the highest)
A: 8 - I am going to assemble this for my cousin.

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
A: I myself have built systems and know how to do it. I want inputs on current high performance, good value components;

10. When are you planning to buy the system?
A: Within next 1-2 days

11. Are you one of the types looking out for "future proof" configurations?
A: Yes, At least it should be future proof for 2-3 years;

12. Are there going to be any components that you don't want to include in this new rig? If yes, do mention.
A: CPU coolers

13. Which city do you live in and are you open to buying from shops from other city/states?
A: USA.

14. Mention any other points if deemed necessary
A: It will be purchased in USA work for a month or so in USA and brought to India.

I have this in mind:
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116900
or
Intel Intel Xeon E3-1230V3 -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116906
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-B85M-DS3H $76 with shipping or
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820313430
Harddisk: 1TB or 2TB Western Digital Blue harddisk
Graphics Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121855
Casing: Corsair 200R -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018
Power Supply: better to purchase here in india because of voltage 230V?
Optional:SSD: Crucial M500 120GB $76 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820178455


Let me know where I get good deals and best parts .

 

[Ken g6]

Where in the USA will you be? If you'll be near a Micro Center, they have great deals on CPUs and mobo/CPU combos. I hear that sometimes Fry's has good deals too. Otherwise, in general, I'd just look at http://pcpartpicker.com/ to find the best online deals.

CAD and such make this a little complicated, because you'll probably want a workstation-class graphics card. So the next question is can you afford a Quadro K2000 or not? There's also AMD FirePro cards, but I don't know if your applications will support them or not.

 

[lucklessgorath]

Regarding graphics card for AutoCAD you will want to read this;

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AutoDesk-AutoCAD-2013-GPU-Acceleration-164/

Basically what it tells me is that if you want speed, then a GeForce is for you. But if you want accuracy on your screen, then get a Quadro.

However that only applies if you are doing 3D work. As you can see on the 2D performance chart the Intel IGP is just as fast as any of the dedicated GPUs. And in my experience, doing architectural work, almost all architectural construction documents in AutoCAD is done in 2D views. If you want to design in 3D you would use a BIM product like Revit instead.

So why is 3D faster on a GeForce card then a Quadro? Well, the AutoCAD recommended system requirements give a clue.

Graphics Hardware:
256 MB DirectX 10 capable graphics card with Shader Model 3 as recommended by Autodesk on the Certified Hardware page on Autodesk.com

AutoCAD is a DirectX program. (Several years ago it was an OpenGL program.) So it's not surprising that the GeForce, which is designed for the DirectX API, would out perform the Quadro, which is designed for the OpenGL API. But to add confusion to the matter, Autodesk only certifies the Quadro and Firepro cards.

 

[mfenn]

There's no reason to believe that the WD Black is any more reliable than other drives. The reason it costs more is that they have to amortize the cost of the extra warranty somehow. Since you'll be buying in the US and then shipping the PC to India, the warranties on the components are useless anyhow.

Your post is somewhat vague as to whether or not you need the monitor, keyboard, mouse, OS, etc. or just the PC. Do you need everything in the $1200 budget or just the PC?

And I noticed that you copy and pasted somebody else's form.

 

[p1tin]

Thanks! i got all your response. Was busy with work..so here you go...
Hi Mfenn,
yes, I copy pasted from my Previous Old post. The requirements are same as in my 8 months old post, however, need to get recent hardware. I am assembling this for my cousin for the purpose mentioned above.
Budget: $1000- $1200 --> It is for entire system including Display, PSU, Casing, HDD etc etc.
However,
I would like to get only the CPU + RAM + Mobo + GPU in USA
Place of Purchase: Portland, Florida

SSD - If possible and optional or else will get it in India.

so I request input on getting best possible CPU + RAM + GPU + Mobo + SSD considering that budget for the entire system.

Rest of the stuff (below) will be purchased in India, later:

HDD: 1TB or 2TB WD
PSU: Seasonic 400 / 520Watts.
Casing: Corsair 200R or CM elite 310 etc.
Display: 22" Dell Monitor
DVD Drive
SSD : If not purchased in USA , will get Samsung Evo 840
Speakers.
Keyboard & Mouse.

Hope I gave needed information for you.

I got some more time to purchase these stuff in India.
so Please help me out here ( also I see many suggesting the Xeon processor for these sort of usage - photoshop, 3DsMax and moderate to heavy Rendering stuff).
What do you think.

 

[p1tin]

I came up with this Build as of now and you let me know if is fine or can I get more appropriate components and for lesser price, somewhere:

CPU: Xeon E3-1230V3 - $269http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116906
or
I7-4770K - $299
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-4770K.../dp/B00CO8TBQ0
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-B85M-DS3H - $76 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128672
RAM: GSkill RipJaws 4x8GB - $312 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231507
GPU: GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB - $176 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121855

 

[Ken g6]

Where are you getting those prices? I used PcPartPicker and got:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B85M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($268.78 @ Amazon)
Total: $583.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-25 15:39 EDT-0400)

Then, for the GPU, since no gaming was indicated, I'd go for a Quadro instead of a gaming card:

NVIDIA® Quadro® K600 ($161 @ Newegg)

Though others, especially lucklessgorath, may know better than I do.


Edit: Was there someone around here who really didn't like Ballistix? Seems like it. Since you don't need to worry about RAM fins hitting a heat sink, you could go for Gskill RipJaws for $270 @ Newegg instead.

 

[Gunbuster]

Your list "Graphics processing, Architecture softwares, AutoCAD, 3D Studio Max with VRaY and other plugin photoshop etc." is a little broad.

Is this truly work, in a computer stops working and you don't supply deliverable's to your customer sort of way? Or is this more of a school/learning/dicking around kind of "Work"

 

[mfenn]

This:

I would like to get only the CPU + RAM + Mobo + GPU in USA

doesn't make any sense in combination with this:

14. Mention any other points if deemed necessary
A: It will be purchased in USA work for a month or so in USA and brought to India.

The parts you mentioned above don't constitute a working PC, so I don't see how it would be useful.

 

[p1tin]

This:



doesn't make any sense in combination with this:



The parts you mentioned above don't constitute a working PC, so I don't see how it would be useful.

Ok, Sorry for being unclear.
This is not a PC for me.
It is for my cousin who had plans to travel to USA, but cancelled.
So,
We are helping her mom (currently in USA for personal reasons) to purchase the stuff and bring it back as my cousin's project is going to start in June and she needs another PC with latest & appropriate hardware!
The timeline is that we have to place the order in next 2-3 days for it to reach portland, Florida ( there are no microcenter stores, it seems).
So, could you help me out here in deciding about those key components ( CPU + Mobo + RAM + GPU)?

 

[mfenn]

OK, so what I would recommend is a relatively low-cost Xeon with HT plus moderate Nvidia card to take advantage of GPU acceleration in those packages (you don't need much).

Xeon E3-1230 V3 $250
ASRock B85 Pro4 $70
G.Skill DDR3 1600 16GB $128
Gigabyte GTX 650 $109
Total: $557

 

[p1tin]

Thanks mfenn and all others for your input!!!

Finally... about 10 days back we ordered the following and got it delivered. Transported back to India. I have started getting HDD (WD Blue 1TB, DVD drive, PSU (Seasonic 500W).

CPU: Core I74770K- $175
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-B85M-DS3H - $73
RAM: Crucial DDR3 32GB(8GB x 4) 1600MHz - $269
SSD Kingston 120GB - $60
GPU- GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB-$160
Total: $737

Yes, you read it right!! for CoreI7 the price was $175. got it from an Engineer who works in Intel. He was neighbor in USA and got this deal and he was willing to purchase it for us!! Hihi!! I think there is savings of about $125 there ...!!!

Now comes the question of a good cabinet in the price not greater than Rs.3000 ($50).
I was browing through few sites where this one got my attention:

http://www.deepcoolglobal.com/product/case/2014-04/9_824.shtml
Price is Rs.2600 ( $44):
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Deepcool+Tesseract+BF+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+-+Black_P21544.html

*I already raised a thread for it in Casings and cooling., however, I request your input on whether there is any other brand's casing available at this price with those features?
**Should I get a 120mm fan , if I purchase this and install it in front , as this model (BF) does not have a front fan included in it?

 

[mfenn]

Nice job on the parts!

Regarding the case, I don't know anything about that case in particular, but it looks reasonable given the price. You could pick up another 120mm fan like this one and be right at Rs. 3k. You will want some sort of intake fan.

 

[p1tin]

I have to decide and buy the remaining components and I request your help in this:

2 1TB HDDs - First to be used as internal HDD and 2nd for Data backup
HDD - 2x WD1TB Blue - $67 x 2 = $134 (Rs.4000x2= Rs.8000) @
http://www.flipkart.com/wd-blue-wd10ezex-1-tb-internal-hard-drive/p/itmdhgybefghqrtq

DVD Writer - $17(Rs.1000) @
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/samsung-sh224dbidds-dvd-burner-internal/229135044

Case - used Corsair Obsidian 350D- $76(Rs.4500) with 18 Months warranty (with 2x120mm front fans , 1 x 120mm rear fan)

PSU- Seasonic S12II 520watts for $83 (Rs.4950) @
http://www.flipkart.com/seasonic-s12ii-520-watts-psu/p/itmd5xz5hzvzt9cx

Question(s):
1. The above mentioned Seasonic does not support Hasweell 'Deepsleep' states...
Is it worth it to get a PSU with Haswell support C6/C7 for this desktop?
Shall I just disable these states in the mobo and use this PSU?

2. Should I buy a 8GB pend drive and make a bootable ISO for my cousin just as a backup?

3. Am I missing something? / Is there any other recommendation you can make to make this build more good?

 

[aigomorla]

80% of all psu's are made in china!

and they are 90V-250V autoswitching...

so to answer your psu question, it doesnt matter where u buy the psu, so if its cheaper in india, get it there,
however the plug u require wont come with the psu, so you may need to buy a new plug.

 

[p1tin]

Thanks.
My question is whether to get a PSU which supports the C6/C7 power states for Haswell processers or not? or a normal good PSU and disable C6/C7 states in the BIOS?
or
to put the question in another way:
Is it a major power saving to have the C6/C7 power states enabled with a compatible PSU?

 

[mfenn]

Thanks.
My question is whether to get a PSU which supports the C6/C7 power states for Haswell processers or not? or a normal good PSU and disable C6/C7 states in the BIOS?
or
to put the question in another way:
Is it a major power saving to have the C6/C7 power states enabled with a compatible PSU?

The issue with Haswell's deep sleep states is that it can potentially cause the power draw to go below a power supply's minimum load rating. However, since you have a lot of other components in the system (multiple HDDs, discrete GPU, etc.) your idle power draw won't be low enough to cause a problem. So the S12II will be fine.