PBS: High Fiber (the future of broadband)

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Svnla

Svnla

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I am still stuck at 6Mb from ATT. Cable has higher speed but those bastards want us users to buy the whole combo <more expensive> than just broadband.
 
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spidey07

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DisgruntledVirus said:
Shocking.

Paging Spidey
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What about it? Easy to serve densely populated areas on the cheap. And on the business side? I can get any one of the major players deliver me 45, 100, 1000 Mbs service. The prices are only coming down thanks to all the competition we have. Fiber is actually pretty damn cheap, it's lighting it that can get expensive.

Somebody can win a prize if they can tell me if fiber is broadband or not.

Also, in most metropolitan/business districts you can get metro-ethernet for a good price. Gigabit speeds.
 
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Thump553

Thump553

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My daughter spent two years in Korea and when she came back and visited, she thought my comcast was like the stone age. Heck I couldn't even get cable internet until about five years ago and I live 20 miles from the state capitol.
 
Nebor

Nebor

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JSt0rm said:
because monopoly
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spidey07

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JSt0rm said:
because monopoly
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Sigh, what is preventing you from laying your own fiber and leasing it out to others? Hell, build you a nice optical network and you'll have customers banging down your doors to use it!

Go make that money chicken shit.

What? You don't want to invest? You don't have the capital and can't prove return? Chickenshit. Go for it, chickenshit.

"ohhhhh, but monopoly"

So lay your own fiber chickenshit, light it up and provide service or use what's already in ground, chickenshit and find customers, chickenshit.
 
her209

her209

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spidey07 said:
Sigh, what is preventing you from laying your own fiber and leasing it out to others? Hell, build you a nice optical network and you'll have customers banging down your doors to use it!

Go make that money chicken shit.

What? You don't want to invest? You don't have the capital and can't prove return? Chickenshit. Go for it, chickenshit.

"ohhhhh, but monopoly"

So lay your own fiber chickenshit, light it up and provide service or use what's already in ground, chickenshit and find customers, chickenshit.
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Err... a town in North Carolina did and guess what? They got sued!

Chickenshit!
 
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Nirreln

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spidey07 said:
Sigh, what is preventing you from laying your own fiber and leasing it out to others? Hell, build you a nice optical network and you'll have customers banging down your doors to use it!

Go make that money chicken shit.

What? You don't want to invest? You don't have the capital and can't prove return? Chickenshit. Go for it, chickenshit.

"ohhhhh, but monopoly"

So lay your own fiber chickenshit, light it up and provide service or use what's already in ground, chickenshit and find customers, chickenshit.
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You so fucking pathic, chickenshit. :rolleyes:
 
1prophet

1prophet

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spidey07 said:
Sigh, what is preventing you from laying your own fiber and leasing it out to others? Hell, build you a nice optical network and you'll have customers banging down your doors to use it!

Go make that money chicken shit.

What? You don't want to invest? You don't have the capital and can't prove return? Chickenshit. Go for it, chickenshit.

"ohhhhh, but monopoly"

So lay your own fiber chickenshit, light it up and provide service or use what's already in ground, chickenshit and find customers, chickenshit.
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You mean like when the taxpayers all get together and vote to have the municipality lay down the infrastructure but then the current players go to court to stop them?
 
theeedude

theeedude

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Infrastructure spending is a bunch of socialist nonsense. So is government regulating monopolies.
 
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Rainsford

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spidey07 said:
Sigh, what is preventing you from laying your own fiber and leasing it out to others? Hell, build you a nice optical network and you'll have customers banging down your doors to use it!

Go make that money chicken shit.

What? You don't want to invest? You don't have the capital and can't prove return? Chickenshit. Go for it, chickenshit.

"ohhhhh, but monopoly"

So lay your own fiber chickenshit, light it up and provide service or use what's already in ground, chickenshit and find customers, chickenshit.
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So why DOESN'T that happen? I really haven't heard a lot of good reasons why US (consumer) broadband lags behind so many other countries. Even in places where you can get truly fast consumer Internet, it's pretty expensive. Sure, I can get 25mb/s symmetric from Verizon here in the DC/Baltimore metro area, but it's about $70 per month. For a similar price if I lived in Stockholm, I could get 100mb/s symmetric. And FIOS is about the best consumer broadband currently available in the US, and it's not all that widely available.
 
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freegeeks

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Rainsford said:
So why DOESN'T that happen? I really haven't heard a lot of good reasons why US (consumer) broadband lags behind so many other countries. Even in places where you can get truly fast consumer Internet, it's pretty expensive. Sure, I can get 25mb/s symmetric from Verizon here in the DC/Baltimore metro area, but it's about $70 per month. For a similar price if I lived in Stockholm, I could get 100mb/s symmetric. And FIOS is about the best consumer broadband currently available in the US, and it's not all that widely available.
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One reason, competition. I live in Belgium and we lag behind in the broadband departement compared to the Netherlands. We are a small, dense populated country just like Holland but we have no major FTTH deployments going on. Why? Broadband is dominated here by a cable company and the traditional telephone company. They have the market split up between them so there is no incentive for competition. Weak govt regulation has made for a stagnant market, we basically have a light version of the US market (much better then the USA here for broadband but pathetic compared to other countries). If I go 100 km to the South or North, I can get 5 times faster broadband for half the price (France and Holland) for one and only one reason, because of a strong regulator, these markets are very competitive for consumer broadband.
 
kage69

kage69

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Thump553 said:
My daughter spent two years in Korea and when she came back and visited, she thought my comcast was like the stone age. Heck I couldn't even get cable internet until about five years ago and I live 20 miles from the state capitol.
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It's true, Korea does broadband right. Fast access is considered a basic service for residences, like water or power. The access I enjoyed in Seoul and Taegu was damn near free, and magnitudes faster than the 3Mb Comcast plan I had while living 20min outside of D.C.

Just one of those things that shows you just how bad US companies have consumers bent over a barrel.
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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Svnla said:
I am still stuck at 6Mb from ATT. Cable has higher speed but those bastards want us users to buy the whole combo <more expensive> than just broadband.
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ATT blows, they rest on their laurels and only offer 6m while throttling even small downloads. It's archaic.

Cable, OTOH, has 40m and smooth service. This isn't even their fastest speed. I'm quite satisfied with it and can't imagine going back.
 
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matt0611

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We need more competition.

My cable service from Comcast used to be about $150 (for everything, phone+data+tv).
Now Verizon has moved in and is offering the same thing for $100, guess who I'm going to switch to next month?
Competition = lower prices + higher quality
 
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drebo

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Honestly, you don't even have to lay your own fiber to provide fast Internet access to customers.

I can provide 30mbps symmetric wireless service with sub-second latency to customers here and I never had to talk to AT&T or the local government to do it. And the equipment was actually quite cheap.

Or, you can buy your own DSLAM and colocate in an AT&T CO. You'd have to become a CLEC, but you could theoretically provide 100mbps service to customers within 5000 feet via VDSL. You could bond it to provide 100mbps symmetric VDSL if you wanted to. Or, within about 10000 feet of the CO, you could go for bonded ADSL at 20-40mbps. The cost for a UNE copper pair from AT&T in central CA is ~$9/mo. You don't even have to lay your own cable.

There are small players cropping up everywhere, and it is requiring AT&T and Comcast to lower their prices. AT&T is down to $25/mo for a 6mbps dry loop DSL now. That's fairly reasonably priced. It'll only get better as AT&T moves everyone off of the ATM DSLAMs to their new IP DSLAMs (Uverse), which are based on VDSL. Theoretically, ADSL2+ will go to 22mbps, but AT&T needs to play it safe because their concern is stability. There are smaller providers everywhere who will provide faster ADSL service if you ask them.
 
Lithium381

Lithium381

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i'm still on ATT DSL.. 6mb. . . . but during peak hours i can barely get 1.5 out of it, i need to call them and see if i can get put on another circuit or something... i know the line is capable of the full speed cause everything is like butter at 4am
 
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PrinceofWands

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Svnla said:
I am still stuck at 6Mb from ATT. Cable has higher speed but those bastards want us users to buy the whole combo <more expensive> than just broadband.
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1.5 here, and it goes down more than my ex-wife at an open bar, so quit bitching. :cool:
 
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piasabird

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South Korea is a highly populated country and it is not a large country. It is about the size of the florida peninsula. Just look at some of the cities in Korea on Satelite. They build a lot of high rise apartment complexes.

By the way I am suppose to get fiber internet on the 19th of August.

This world is crazy. I just saw some airplane with a bat on board. They trapped it in the bathroom. Bats on a Plane!
 
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