PBS Frontline: Al Qaeda's New Front

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Genx87

You do realize we have groups like that here in the U.S , right?

Yup and one day the rumor goes they will come down out of the hills and sack DC.
At some point democracy will crumble under its own freedoms or it will crumble under the need to protect itself.

It sounds like you're saying Democracy is flawed and unable to sustain itself long term, and I'm not sure I agree. Your logic requires those radical groups to pose a real threat to Democracy itself, because then they will either destroy Democracy or we will destroy it trying to fight them.

But here's another way of looking at it, Democracy is better at defense against radical groups than fascism, even if it doesn't look like it on the surface. Sure, the groups EXIST, but given the schlock they are preaching, who's going to support them in a free and open society? I guess I fundamentally believe that Democracy is a much more attractive idea to most people than fascism. Isn't that what we keep preaching in Iraq? And I don't see very many radical groups talking about a just and free democracy, do you?

I guess I'm not too worried, because the groups don't provide an alternative to democracy that will attract very many people. Instead, they want to force everyone to follow their own narrow world view, something that may appeal to their group, but has very little appeal outside of it. To put it another way, freedom of religion appeals to everyone from Christians to atheists, while YOU MUST BE MUSLIM appeals to, well, some radical Muslims.

I guess I'm not worried, because at the end of the day I believe there will always be more people interested in freedom, or at least NOT interested in the radical group of the day, than there will be radicals. Yeah, they can hurt us and terrorize us (if we let them), but when it comes to all out war, I'd bet on us.

Edit: You ever notice that in the world of Islamic radicals there is a whole lot more saying than doing? Yeah, there is a reason for that. Opening your noise hole is easy, backing it up is slightly more difficult.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
And that talk of returning the Caliphate was just downright frightening.

Oh yeah, I've know about this for a few years now. The gazi (the people who see the world as believers and non believers) are gaining support among muslims throughout the world. Under the Caliphate or Khilafah there would be one gigantic muslim state.

and of course there would be a caliph

this is not surprising. If you follow the headlines and news out of europe you will find the face of radical islam rapidly spreading. We are next

And if you watch the show, you will see that the greatest recruiting tool that the terrorists have is George Bush's war on Iraq. He played completely into their hand. They totally manipulated him into doing just what they wanted. Now they have plenty of justification to slaughter innocent people around the World, in the eyes of their disenfranchised followers. It's only a matter of time until they pull off another spectacular attack on U.S. soil (according to the Dept. of Homeland Security anyway).
The terrorists are gaining ground faster than ever since the invasion.

I wouldn't say they manipulated Bush. It was just the convergence of two ideologies that formed a Perfect Storm.

You can't imagine Bin Laden saying something along the lines of
"OK, we fly some planes into the WTC. I think that infidel Boosh will start striking out in all directions, attempting to occupy our lands and this will further our goals, allowing us to recruit all Muslims to our cause...."
?
Really. If you watched the show, that was implied if not explicitly stated. The Narrator (what an ominous sounding delivery he has) all but said it. We'll have to look at the transcript.

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You ever notice that in the world of Islamic radicals there is a whole lot more saying than doing? Yeah, there is a reason for that. Opening your noise hole is easy, backing it up is slightly more difficult.

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I think they have more than amply demonstrated that they can give our ass a very hard kick.

 

[raildogg]

This is a very very interesting, but extremely controversial website. I dont agree with some of the stuff here. But still.

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[arsbanned]

Dude, keep on topic. You're straying with these bogus Sites that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, The PBS Frontline shown last night. Get with it.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Dude, keep on topic. You're straying with these bogus Sites that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, The PBS Frontline shown last night. Get with it.

The issue here is radical islam and terrorism right?? So I am definately on topic.

And I am not endorsing this website. Just pointing it out. No duh, the PBS Frontline was shown last night.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg
This is a very very interesting, but extremely controversial website. I dont agree with some of the stuff here. But still.

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So why link it? How many times a day do you bash the religion of Islam? 5? 10? Do you do it at the dinner table too?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg
This is a very very interesting, but extremely controversial website. I dont agree with some of the stuff here. But still.

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So why link it? How many times a day do you bash the religion of Islam? 5? 10? Do you do it at the dinner table too?

LIKE I SAID I DONT ENDORSE THIS WEBSITE. Some parts make "some" sense, though.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg
This is a very very interesting, but extremely controversial website. I dont agree with some of the stuff here. But still.

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So why link it? How many times a day do you bash the religion of Islam? 5? 10? Do you do it at the dinner table too?

LIKE I SAID I DONT ENDORSE THIS WEBSITE. Some parts make "some" sense, though.

What makes sense? Show me.

Looks to me like a website that list crimes commited by Muslims and the the majority of the rest is Iraq.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg
This is a very very interesting, but extremely controversial website. I dont agree with some of the stuff here. But still.

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So why link it? How many times a day do you bash the religion of Islam? 5? 10? Do you do it at the dinner table too?

LIKE I SAID I DONT ENDORSE THIS WEBSITE. Some parts make "some" sense, though.

What makes sense? Show me.

Scroll down and look at all the atrocities the radical muslims are commiting and have commited.

Not just in Iraq. But all over the world.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg
This is a very very interesting, but extremely controversial website. I dont agree with some of the stuff here. But still.

Text

So why link it? How many times a day do you bash the religion of Islam? 5? 10? Do you do it at the dinner table too?

LIKE I SAID I DONT ENDORSE THIS WEBSITE. Some parts make "some" sense, though.

What makes sense? Show me.

Scroll down and look at all the atrocities the radical muslims are commiting and have commited.

10/3/02 USA Maryland 5 0 Muslim sniper kills three men and two women in five separate attacks.

Radical Muslim?

 

[raildogg]

Scroll all the way down and see for yourself the true face of radical islam. Note "radical" islam.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Scroll all the way down and see for yourself the true face of radical islam. Note "radical" islam.

Looks to me like they are leaving out the other side's actions and only list the Muslims.

It also list random crap like burglary/murder and says "muslim terrorism" because a Muslim did it.

10/3/02 USA Maryland 5 0 Muslim sniper kills three men and two women in five separate attacks.

You still haven't answered my ?. He didn't kill because of his religion.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg
Scroll all the way down and see for yourself the true face of radical islam. Note "radical" islam.

Looks to me like they are leaving out the other side's actions and only list the Muslims.

It also list random crap like burglary/murder and says "muslim terrorism" because a Muslim did it.

10/3/02 USA Maryland 5 0 Muslim sniper kills three men and two women in five separate attacks.

You still haven't answered my ?. He didn't kill because of his religion.

Are you talking about the sniper in Maryland? John Malvo Mohammed and his father? I dont know if it was motivated by religion or not. Probably not.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Dude, keep on topic. You're straying with these bogus Sites that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, The PBS Frontline shown last night. Get with it.

The issue here is radical islam and terrorism right?? So I am definately on topic.

And I am not endorsing this website. Just pointing it out. No duh, the PBS Frontline was shown last night.

No, check the title again. DUH. Hello? Can you read? Damn, guess I'll have to look elsewhere for intelligent discussion because you sure as hell can't provide it.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Dude, keep on topic. You're straying with these bogus Sites that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, The PBS Frontline shown last night. Get with it.

The issue here is radical islam and terrorism right?? So I am definately on topic.

And I am not endorsing this website. Just pointing it out. No duh, the PBS Frontline was shown last night.

No, check the title again. DUH. Hello? Can you read? Damn, guess I'll have to look elsewhere for intelligent discussion because you sure as hell can't provide it.

Al qaeda is a terrorist organization, correct?? Where did I go wrong?!!! DUHHH!!!!

Could care less where you look.

 

[arsbanned]

You mean, "couldn't care less..." Come on man!
DAMN! I'm on FIRE! w0000000000.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/

 

[raildogg]

If you question the radical movement in Islam this is what happens to you

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[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Genx87

You do realize we have groups like that here in the U.S , right?

Yup and one day the rumor goes they will come down out of the hills and sack DC.
At some point democracy will crumble under its own freedoms or it will crumble under the need to protect itself.

No way, not with Ozoned and his squad of crack sniper militamen on the job!

Ozoned is retired now. He no longer has your back. He picks and chooses his own battles now.

 

[arsbanned]

Anyway, back to this Frontline show, they show a very disturbing film footage of the Madrid attacks as they take place. Those terrorists, they are damned fine engineers and strategists. We should be scared. They are going to kick lots of ass before they are done.
The blasts were timed, and methodically went off, at equal cadence, while those commuters who hadn't already been ripped to shreds stood in shock and awe, as if waiting their turn, which eventually came, until everyone within view of this particular camera was obliterated.

But don't forget, we're safer now. Getting safer allll the time. Can't you just feel it? :disgust:

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Anyway, back to this Frontline show, they show a very disturbing film footage of the Madrid attacks as they take place. Those terrorists, they are damned fine engineers and strategists. We should be scared. They are going to kick lots of ass beofre they are done.
The blasts were timed, and methodically went off, at equal cadence, while those who hadn't already been ripped to shreds stood in shock and awe, as if waiting their turn, which eventually came, until everyone within view of this particular camera was obliterated.

The enemy is very bright. I believe there was this special movie or show or something on HBO, a muslim radical said: "I would welcome a attack on us, it would unite us and divide them". Sadly, this is true. Us, as westerners think short term, they think long term. Always remember that

 

[MadRat]

They are just overflowing with Einsteins - that group called Al Queda is...

End the paranoia. Take their best shots and show them our own personal freedom is worth so much more than their melancholy lives. I marvel that so many are still living in shock and awe of 9/11. It happened. Its over. Move on with life.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg
This is a very very interesting, but extremely controversial website. I dont agree with some of the stuff here. But still.

Text

So why link it? How many times a day do you bash the religion of Islam? 5? 10? Do you do it at the dinner table too?

LIKE I SAID I DONT ENDORSE THIS WEBSITE. Some parts make "some" sense, though.

What makes sense? Show me.

Scroll down and look at all the atrocities the radical muslims are commiting and have commited.

10/3/02 USA Maryland 5 0 Muslim sniper kills three men and two women in five separate attacks.

Radical Muslim?

yes

and no they aren't geniuses. just a large group of well funded determined people intent on killing civlians. being suicidal also makes things that much easier.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: MadRat
They are just overflowing with Einsteins - that group called Al Queda is...

End the paranoia. Take their best shots and show them our own personal freedom is worth so much more than their melancholy lives. I marvel that so many are still living in shock and awe of 9/11. It happened. Its over. Move on with life.

*Que patriotic music and dreamlike footage of George Bush waving to the crowds and flashing his impish smile*

Paranoia? I say, end the ignorance. I say, pull your head from the sand. That'd be a good start. Then try actually watching the show in question and commenting on it. Damn, some of you guys are like 3 year olds.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
And that talk of returning the Caliphate was just downright frightening.

Oh yeah, I've know about this for a few years now. The gazi (the people who see the world as believers and non believers) are gaining support among muslims throughout the world. Under the Caliphate or Khilafah there would be one gigantic muslim state.

and of course there would be a caliph

this is not surprising. If you follow the headlines and news out of europe you will find the face of radical islam rapidly spreading. We are next

And if you watch the show, you will see that the greatest recruiting tool that the terrorists have is George Bush's war on Iraq. He played completely into their hand. They totally manipulated him into doing just what they wanted. Now they have plenty of justification to slaughter innocent people around the World, in the eyes of their disenfranchised followers. It's only a matter of time until they pull off another spectacular attack on U.S. soil (according to the Dept. of Homeland Security anyway).
The terrorists are gaining ground faster than ever since the invasion.

I wouldn't say they manipulated Bush. It was just the convergence of two ideologies that formed a Perfect Storm.

You can't imagine Bin Laden saying something along the lines of
"OK, we fly some planes into the WTC. I think that infidel Boosh will start striking out in all directions, attempting to occupy our lands and this will further our goals, allowing us to recruit all Muslims to our cause...."
?
Really. If you watched the show, that was implied if not explicitly stated. The Narrator (what an ominous sounding delivery he has) all but said it. We'll have to look at the transcript.

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You ever notice that in the world of Islamic radicals there is a whole lot more saying than doing? Yeah, there is a reason for that. Opening your noise hole is easy, backing it up is slightly more difficult.

I think they have more than amply demonstrated that they can give our ass a very hard kick.[/quote]Call it a marriage of convenience for Al Qaeda? I just think manipulated isn't the correct word. And, heck, after Bush did nothing to track those that attacked the USS Cole, perhaps bin Laden figured he was pretty safe and didn't expect 10,000 troops to show up 2 months later (after bin Laden was able to run and hide)

 

[Dari]

Who the fvck is afraid? You guys are a bunch of pv$$ies. These terrorists will never succeed because most of the people that hate America sees them as romantic rebels, not actual liberators that they want to join. They applaud bin Laden because he's fighting back against America, the most powerful country on Earth. It's just a "big v. small" fad that will come to pass when people come to realize who/what will put food on their table and money in their pockets to better their lives.

Gee, some people here get scared easily.