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Paula Dean's fake tears and her telling the Today show "I is what I is.."

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Wreckem

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Her publisher has dropped her newest cookbook and her.

She needs to fire her PR team and lawyer as their handling of the whole mess seems to be poor. There were several weeks in between the time of the deposition and it making its way to the press. They had ample time to prepare/come up with a plan to handle this crisis but looked to be caught of guard and as a result the handling of the entire crisis was poor to terrible.

They should have come out before the deposition made its way to the press. Since its been in the press, her and her teams attempts at addressing the crisis have been a comedy of errors.
 
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Subyman

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I've never liked Paula Dean. Most of my family is from Savannah Georgia and her restaurant has always been overhyped. There are much better places to go. Her restaurant is a glorified Cracker Barrel. Her forced "southern" accent is the biggest turn off. There is a difference between having a southern twang and forcing every vowel like a characacher. Why people ever liked her I will never know.
 

SheHateMe

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Well, I forgive her.

But, I do think that the companies are not wrong for cutting ties with her as I personally feel that if I was in business with PD, I'd have to distance myself as well....for image sake.

Not everyone is willing to forgive her. Some companies are supporting her for now.
 

bradly1101

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I've never liked Paula Dean. Most of my family is from Savannah Georgia and her restaurant has always been overhyped. There are much better places to go. Her restaurant is a glorified Cracker Barrel. Her forced "southern" accent is the biggest turn off. There is a difference between having a southern twang and forcing every vowel like a characacher. Why people ever liked her I will never know.
Agreed. Plus she always cooked the most unhealthy food.
 

nyker96

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I started reading the depositions, if even some of that is true, then that place is just a hell hole for minorities to work at. black forced to be using back doors, daily racists remarks, not to mention all that sexual harassment stuff.

if that deposition is indeed true, then she needs to make amends, fire those managers esp her brother, set up a proper human resource department that takes care of employee complaints etc. She needs to do more than just apologize.

All that just little unbelievable is happening in today's south, I always thought things changed much. Maybe the new generation has, cause I knew a friend from Alabama, very upstanding person. I just hope all that vitreous racism die w/ Dean's generation.
 

buckshot24

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Doesn't everybody think that if a black person can say it then a white person should be able to say it? Shouldn't we be striving for equality?
 

Atreus21

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I watched the video and couldn't help but feel this was all melodramatic and fake. Then what I really thought was over the top was her exclaming; "I is what I is".. just sounded well, fake and phoney to me.

What I didn't realize is some of the deposition (really amazing transcripts) showed how racist and hostile the work enviroment really was, here are some excerpts from the deposition;



Apparently it was an employee who consequently was jewish and endured jewish epithats from her employers not to mention very blatant sexual harrassment, who finally had enough after years of complaining and filed the lawsuit.

Read the article that talks about the events below, and yes it is from the Wonkette, but they have actually testimony and deposition transcripts / video of Paula Dean and it does bring up some things that the media didn't. I know, I know, Wonkette is a very feminist news blog site, but I read it once in a while as some of their stuff is actually entertaining..I am not turning in my man card. LOL

http://wonkette.com/520923/olympic-fake-crying-champeen-paula-deen-goes-on-today-cries-and-cries-is-very-sorry-for-her

Excerpts; It seems — it is possible — that diabeetus queen Paul Deen is perhaps and maybe not the nice lady she pretends to be on her television program, “Cooking Hot Garbage With Paula Deen.” Lisa Jackson is a woman who worked as a restaurant manager for Deen for so many years, turning around a failing business in such an accomplished manner that Deen’s brother Bubba (because of course) fondly called her his “little Jew girl” (for being so awesome at money). She was danged good at her job, is what we are saying! But Jackson finally had enough with the getting manhandled by Bubba, who was always morning-drunk-on-bourbon-from-a-Styrofoam-cup and having him show her so much porn constantly and always getting told by him about how she should give blowjobs, and getting paid a fraction of what male managers a rank below her were getting paid for far less work and responsibility, and trying without success to shield her black employees from constantly getting called “******s” and “monkeys” and being told they couldn’t use the front door or the white bathroom or work in the front of the restaurant and SO MUCH MORE, and she complained FOR YEARS about all of it and nobody cared, and she finally quit and filed a lawsuit. All props to Lilly Ledbetter, but the Lilly Ledbetter Act that mandates equal pay for women should have probably been called the Paula Deen Act, if you could find a way to fit all her horrible racism into it too.

As for the sexism — in addition to the porn and the sexual harrassment — Jackson got paid less than male managers below her general manager rank, plus they got vacation, bonuses, and retirement, which Jackson didn’t get because duh lady. When she asked for proper compensation, she was told Bubba would never countenance a skirt gettin’ paid like the big boys. And Paula Deen knew about all of it, and Bubba’s her brother, and her gross sons and sons’ friends worked there too and pulled the same shit, like with the calling of the African-American employees “monkeys” and other such hallmarks of a racially transcendent workplace that could in no way be sued for a hostile work environment or basic civil rights violations. Go ahead and read the lawsuit. It’s a corker! Paula Deen for president and stuff.
Robert Byrd.
 

Munky

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Whatever... if you find her language offensive, then don't do business with her. But because "dat's rayyyciiist" some people would have her lynched to appease their white guilt.
 

nextJin

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I don't really care for her not because she used the n word or whatever else people are harping on. If I watch TV it's travel channel, food network, or any news channels unless the only sport that matters is on ('Murican Football).

Whenever her show came on I changed the fucking channel. She is just so incredibly annoying and her food is bullshit.

If I wanted to eat 3 bars of the butter it sure a hell is not going anywhere near a breakfast steak and eggs dish.
 

Conscript

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This entire thing is absurd. Deen should be applauded for telling the truth if anything. If we held every public figure to the same standard, I'd suspect we'd have very few public figures left...
 

dank69

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This entire thing is absurd. Deen should be applauded for telling the truth if anything. If we held every public figure to the same standard, I'd suspect we'd have very few public figures left...
Yeah, I'm sure very few public figures don't secretly pine for the good ol' days when slavery was a-ok.
 

HeXen

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I forgave her because I really don't care. I hear such language all the time and they are all welcome to call me cracker or whatever cause i'm not some sensitive nancy.
 

Dari

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So her telling the story of her grandfather was to garner sympathy?

This entire thing is absurd. Deen should be applauded for telling the truth if anything. If we held every public figure to the same standard, I'd suspect we'd have very few public figures left...
You're a dumb fuck.
 

SheHateMe

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Whatever... if you find her language offensive, then don't do business with her. But because "dat's rayyyciiist" some people would have her lynched to appease their white guilt.
White guilt?

You're fucking kidding. Have you read the disposition?

Do you think its okay for her to facilitate racially abusive language and behavior towards her black staff? She was present when Bubba was making these comments about people who worked in her establishment.

If white guilt means shunning racist behavior...maybe you should be posting on Stormfront.
 
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berzerker60

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Doesn't everybody think that if a black person can say it then a white person should be able to say it? Shouldn't we be striving for equality?
No, that's stupid. Words have history and meaning. Of course you can call anyone you want a ******. That's free speech, no one's legally preventing you from using whatever words you want. But everyone else is allowed to call you a racist shitbag for doing so. That's also free speech. You have equality before the law. You don't have a right to be socially accepted no matter what you do, though, and that sometimes means inequality, sometimes (like here) for good reasons.

Whatever... if you find her language offensive, then don't do business with her. But because "dat's rayyyciiist" some people would have her lynched to appease their white guilt.
Uhh, that's exactly what people are doing. They're pointing out that she's racist and they won't do business with her / buy her book / go to her shitty restaurant and her publisher is dropping her for the same reason. That's all completely legitimate reactions to racism. Literally no one is calling to have her lynched. They're taking exactly the actions you suggest.

The lawsuit is another matter entirely, and not about being racist per se. It's illegal to create a hostile work environment (or allow one to exist after being notified of it). She's accused of violating the law, so she'll get a trial and if she's found guilty, she'll be punished according to that law. Pretty simple.
 

buckshot24

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No, that's stupid. Words have history and meaning. Of course you can call anyone you want a ******. That's free speech, no one's legally preventing you from using whatever words you want. But everyone else is allowed to call you a racist shitbag for doing so. That's also free speech. You have equality before the law. You don't have a right to be socially accepted no matter what you do, though, and that sometimes means inequality, sometimes (like here) for good reasons.
Yeah, I wasn't talking about legally. I agree that we can say the word legally.

I'm talking more about society. If the word isn't socially acceptable for one person to say it but it is for another then that's fucked up. Is there anything a white person can say but a black person can't in our society?
Uhh, that's exactly what people are doing. They're pointing out that she's racist and they won't do business with her / buy her book / go to her shitty restaurant and her publisher is dropping her for the same reason. That's all completely legitimate reactions to racism. Literally no one is calling to have her lynched. They're taking exactly the actions you suggest.
She may be a racist but saying ****** 30 years ago isn't really good evidence that she is racist.

edit: I guess Anandtech agrees that nobody should be able to say the word. LOL
 

berzerker60

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Yeah, I wasn't talking about legally. I agree that we can say the word legally.

I'm talking more about society. If the word isn't socially acceptable for one person to say it but it is for another then that's fucked up. Is there anything a white person can say but a black person can't in our society?
In a completely abstract, logical sense, sure. But the balancing forces here are abstract logic on one hand, and the emotional and political consequences of using the word in the context of 2013 America on the other hand. We're barely a generation from legal, formalized oppression and domestic terrorism aimed at a group of citizens solely because of their skin color, oppression that over the time since the country's founding included countless acts of rape, torture, assault, murder, and voter intimidation.

Stomping out the hate requires shifting what society accepts - telling people in unequivocal terms that being racist is completely socially unacceptable. The n-word was used as an insult and to dehumanize black people for hundreds of years, and it's clear to everyone that white people using it today still has that connotation in almost any context. It's the same reason that blackface is racist - it's one of the ways white people used to play up stereotypes of black people as fundamentally different and lesser, so whether or not that's what you're trying to do today, it has that history. We've come a long way since the 1960s in terms of making even very racist people mostly dislike being called racists, but there's still tons of discrimination and racism in society today, and there are still tons of people alive today who grew up under Jim Crow laws and massive segregation, and objectively tons of discrimination and racism. In 100 years, maybe it will be just another word, but it's not yet.
 

Conscript

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So her telling the story of her grandfather was to garner sympathy?



You're a dumb fuck.





I don't think you understood my post, because I can't even begin to fathom the reason for your hate filled response...though ironically you pretty much made my point for me.
 

SheHateMe

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She may be a racist but saying ****** 30 years ago isn't really good evidence that she is racist.
That may not be good evidence..but the fact that she was physically present while Bubba verbally abused her black staff with racial slurs and jokes shows that she probably..most likely racist. She never once made a peep about his behavior. She allowed it to continue on multiple occasions. It was done in front of an Organization they were working with that had to speak up about it because she would not. Still, she allowed it to continue....until one of her employees (ironically, not black) reported her and her family for creating a hostile work environment.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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I think the damage is done at this point and her career is pretty much ruined. The public will tolerate a LOT of bullshit, but racism just isn't one of them. Go ask Mel Gibson about that.
 

UberNeuman

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Paula Dean's "Butter Chicken Tartare"

1 tub of butter.
1 bag of chicken bones.
1 chicken bouillon cube.
10 sticks of butter.
5 bags of Shake 'n Bake Butter X-treme.


Freeze the tub of Butter overnight or until frozen solid. Remove the butter from the tub and combine the bag of chicken bones and chicken bouillon cube into the butter. Shape the mass into a chicken-like form and then cover all over with the 5 bags of Shake 'n Bake Butter X-treme - then return to the freezer until serving.

Upon serving, garnish the dish with the 10 sticks of Butter.

Serves 1.
 
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buckshot24

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That may not be good evidence..but the fact that she was physically present while Bubba verbally abused her black staff with racial slurs and jokes shows that she probably..most likely racist. She never once made a peep about his behavior. She allowed it to continue on multiple occasions. It was done in front of an Organization they were working with that had to speak up about it because she would not. Still, she allowed it to continue....until one of her employees (ironically, not black) reported her and her family for creating a hostile work environment.
You're assuming that all the accusations are truthful. I have no idea what the actual truth is here. But lets be real, she got into this public shit storm for admitting to using the "n word".
 

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