Paul Ryan will be unvieling the FY2012 budget tomorrow: $4T in cuts

[RightIsWrong]

Lulz, you googled. That's the first mention you had of the keyword. And even then you failed on the time needed. You also failed to mention blackout dates.

You googled and passed it off as first hand knowledge.

First hand knowledge and experience, I has it. Go fuck yourself.

I didn't need to google....I just used the knowledge that I gained while taking classes towards my MBA (which I got and graduated with highest honors). Not that that allows me to come close to your super-spidey, head up his ass ability to show yourself to be an ignorant fool.

 

[spidey07]

I suspect he doesn't even get options. He's trying to play financial badass but is still failing miserably.

Lulz. Search by my handle and how I had to deal with them and if they were qualified or not.

Shit. I had options from my first job back in 1993. Basically I'm telling you to suck it. If I can keep up this schrade for this long then I deserve an Oscar. Or I have first hand knowledge. You be the judge.

 

[Jhhnn]

Lulz. Search by my handle and how I had to deal with them and if they were qualified or not.

Shit. I had options from my first job back in 1993. Basically I'm telling you to suck it. If I can keep up this schrade for this long then I deserve an Oscar. Or I have first hand knowledge. You be the judge.

So, uhh, you really didn't know that if you held options for more than a year that you were taxed at a lower rate, or what?

Hell- I know that, and I've never received any sort of stock options... I even know what the carried interest loophole is and how it's used-

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2010/03/15/100315ta_talk_surowiecki

Risk other people's money, rake 20% off the top, pay taxes on it as if it was your money at risk...

 

[Jhhnn]

OH, yeh- looks like Ryan's projections are the usual voodoo bullshit- his analysis projects a 2.8% unemployment rate by 2020-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/ryan-the-ridiculous/

If you want the full sunshine pumped up your skirt effect, click the link to the Heritage Foundation...

 

[WackyDan]

Clearly the only solution is single payer care with all medical research being done by the nih. Dont you agree?

I disagree. I don't want the medical system that England or Canada has. *and yes, I have real friends from both countries that can vouch for how shitty care is in some scenarios.

 

[boomerang]

OH, yeh- looks like Ryan's projections are the usual voodoo bullshit- his analysis projects a 2.8% unemployment rate by 2020-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/ryan-the-ridiculous/

If you want the full sunshine pumped up your skirt effect, click the link to the Heritage Foundation...

Krugman? Really?

The projection of a trend line is de facto evidence of what? Krugman tells us that the end rate of this projection was actually achieved once before. Duh - he's not even bright enough to realize he just scuttled his own mini-rant and you use it as a talking point?

I'm looking for the Dem's plan but I'm not having any luck finding it. If you've got a link would you share it please?

I'm only hearing the usual micro-criticisms we get from the opponents. The whole plan is to be discounted because x, y, or z has not been addressed, or because x, y, or z has been addressed. What I haven't heard is an outcry that the debt does not need to be addressed and reduced. This is why I am asking to see the Dem's plan. Yes, Ryan is a Republican, yes the Heritage Foundation is a conservative organization, we get all that. Attack the plan on substance. Give alternatives.

Is it better to continue as we are and go down in flames, or is it better to address these problems while we still have a chance to turn things around? If the answer is yes to the latter statement, let's hear some alternatives. If the answer is yes to the former, by all means, continue the juvenile whining.

 

[boomerang]

Well look what I found. The House Republicans' 2010 Budget plan on the web for everyone to see.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52333791/House-Republicans-2012-Budget

Looks like that transparency Obama was talking about is in effect. Oh, wait...

 

[wayliff]

It is you dumbfuck. Since you don't know the difference, you're still a dumbfuck. Fucking communist.

Wow - now that is a good explanation.

Everyone please read and learn what one should reply when one cannot, or is unable to, produce a valid and educated argument or response. Just simply F yourself out of it...that'll show them who knows best.

 

[Jhhnn]

The projection of a trend line is de facto evidence of what? Krugman tells us that the end rate of this projection was actually achieved once before. Duh - he's not even bright enough to realize he just scuttled his own mini-rant and you use it as a talking point?

Gawd that's lame. The Korean war was a time when world economic consumption was large and increasing, and America was the only industrial power with the capacity to fill it. European capacity still hadn't recovered from WW2, and they needed all they could get + a lot that came from us to do so. In the wake of WW2, the US was a manufacturing powerhouse, the only one in the world.

It was also a time of single earner households. Rosy the riveter got married & stayed home to raise babies, neither wanted or needed a job, and therefore didn't count as being among the unemployed.

Alternate plan? Heh. That'd make sense, if the Ryan plan weren't just a trickledown fairy tale.

America's wealthiest obtain their incomes largely via capital gains, interest and dividends, all of which would be non-taxable under the Ryan plan-

Promotes saving by eliminating taxes on interest, capital gains, and dividends; also eliminates the death tax.

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=8514

Middle class Righties will lap it up, delusional fools that they are.

 

[nick1985]

OH, yeh- looks like Ryan's projections are the usual voodoo bullshit- his analysis projects a 2.8% unemployment rate by 2020-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/ryan-the-ridiculous/

If you want the full sunshine pumped up your skirt effect, click the link to the Heritage Foundation...

LOL, a paul krugman blog off the new york times. LOL!

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This proposal needs a good propaganda label like "Obamacare," except something actually clever. How about "Republican Path to Poverty?"

 

[boomerang]

Gawd that's lame. The Korean war was a time when world economic consumption was large and increasing, and America was the only industrial power with the capacity to fill it. European capacity still hadn't recovered from WW2, and they needed all they could get + a lot that came from us to do so. In the wake of WW2, the US was a manufacturing powerhouse, the only one in the world.

It was also a time of single earner households. Rosy the riveter got married & stayed home to raise babies, neither wanted or needed a job, and therefore didn't count as being among the unemployed.

Alternate plan? Heh. That'd make sense, if the Ryan plan weren't just a trickledown fairy tale.

America's wealthiest obtain their incomes largely via capital gains, interest and dividends, all of which would be non-taxable under the Ryan plan-



http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=8514

Middle class Righties will lap it up, delusional fools that they are.

A lot of wasted typing for no answer whatsoever.

I understand that the thought of potentially losing control over a large percentage of the populace is very frightening to the left. But you, and your brethren are so focused on one single aspect of our society that it thoroughly blinds you to what else is going on. Punishing "the rich" is foremost in your brains and it appears to be a 24/7/365 affliction. There is always going to be someone with more than you. Grow the fuck up, put that on the back burner and contribute something worthwhile. Quit acting like a Wisconsin Democrat.

Arguing about the Korean war for Christ's sake. Whoosh! You know what, by all means, continue the juvenile whining. You excel at it.

 

[Matt1970]

I'll take "Logical fallacies" for a $1000, Alex.

When a CEO is taking a "measly" $100,000 salary and then collecting $2M in other compensation such as stock options that are not counted as or included in "income", they are doing so for a single reason, tax avoidance.

Capital gains should be considered as and taxed as income. Then, and only then, will the top 1% begin to start paying their share.

Wrong on everything. Bonuses are income and taxed accordingly. Anyone telling you different is lying. The tax rate on long-term gains was reduced in 2003 to 15%, or to 5% for individuals in the lowest two income tax brackets. Short-term capital gains are taxed at a higher rate: the ordinary income tax rate.

 

[CitizenKain]

It is you dumbfuck. Since you don't know the difference, you're still a dumbfuck. Fucking communist.

What really needs to happen is the poor and middle class need to start paying their fair share.

Big words from some dipshit cable puller. Couldn't make it in a real job, now you pull cable, thats hilarious.

 

[nick1985]

Big words from some dipshit cable puller. Couldn't make it in a real job, now you pull cable, thats hilarious.

You are one hateful person. Are you roommates with umbrella?

 

[spidey07]

Wow - now that is a good explanation.

Everyone please read and learn what one should reply when one cannot, or is unable to, produce a valid and educated argument or response. Just simply F yourself out of it...that'll show them who knows best.

He didn't know options were taxed as normal income, I call them like I see them. If you do a sell to cover (what I normally do) then it's STCG. If you don't exercise and hold for a year, it's STCG. It also depends on how they are classified. He simply didn't know or understand the difference and I called his ignorance.

Whenever I see the class warfare BS being pulled out, I'll call it like I see it - the tool of a communist.

 

[her209]

Well look what I found. The House Republicans' 2010 Budget plan on the web for everyone to see.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52333791/House-Republicans-2012-Budget

Looks like that transparency Obama was talking about is in effect. Oh, wait...

Whoa! A WHOLE 30 pages!!!

I recall Obama putting out two books, telephone book size, back in February.

 

[Jhhnn]

A lot of wasted typing for no answer whatsoever.

I understand that the thought of potentially losing control over a large percentage of the populace is very frightening to the left. But you, and your brethren are so focused on one single aspect of our society that it thoroughly blinds you to what else is going on. Punishing "the rich" is foremost in your brains and it appears to be a 24/7/365 affliction. There is always going to be someone with more than you. Grow the fuck up, put that on the back burner and contribute something worthwhile. Quit acting like a Wisconsin Democrat.

Arguing about the Korean war for Christ's sake. Whoosh! You know what, by all means, continue the juvenile whining. You excel at it.

Even lamer. Krugman pointed out that the last time unemployment dipped to 2.8% was during the Korean War, and you cited it as history, that there was no reason it wouldn't go that low under the fairytale repub plan. You introduced it into the discussion, tried to exploit it. Now, they're trying to bury that impossibility down the memory hole, pretend that they never offered it-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

Your bit about repubs wanting to end the taxes that affect the wealthy most significantly is utterly dishonest and deflectionary. Do you really think that people who take home millions per year, even billions, should pay no taxes on it?

That's what the repub plan offers...

 

[Jhhnn]

He didn't know options were taxed as normal income, I call them like I see them. If you do a sell to cover (what I normally do) then it's STCG. If you don't exercise and hold for a year, it's STCG. It also depends on how they are classified. He simply didn't know or understand the difference and I called his ignorance.

Whenever I see the class warfare BS being pulled out, I'll call it like I see it - the tool of a communist.

Quit embarrassing yourself- It's quite clear that you were the ignorant party, and your most recent post simply reinforces what I said about your being too greedy to let options ride long enough to get the LTCG rates, if you even knew they existed, or actually ever received any options.

 

[theeedude]

This Krugman, always with his numbers and common sense and stuff. If Ryan tells us dribble down economics is going to work, who is this Krugman guy to question him?

 

[Anarchist420]

http://wi.rlc.org/2010/08/paul-ryans-record/:
Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)
Paul Ryan on Education
Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.
-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)
Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

The OP needs to change the title to something that's not some misleading BS. The budget, under Ryan's plan, will not be balanced until 2040.

 

[Tom]

http://wi.rlc.org/2010/08/paul-ryans-record/:
Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)
Paul Ryan on Education
Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.
-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)
Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

The OP needs to change the title to something that's not some misleading BS. The budget, under Ryan's plan, will not be balanced until 2040.

That's pretty impressive. If all Republicans voted that well I might send em a few bucks.

 

[Abwx]

I disagree. I don't want the medical system that England or Canada has. *and yes, I have real friends from both countries that can vouch for how shitty care is in some scenarios.

You took the worse exemples.
According to european standards of equivalently develloped
countries, UK is almost third world in this matter...
I live in France where there are more than 100 000 UK
citizen that have elected to live as well, and all are praising
the local social insurance, and according to their sayings
they didn t settle there only for the south france climate
but also for the medical efficency vs cost...
Yet, France is considered to lag behind Germany and nordic
states in this respect...

US spend the double in respect of the GDP, yet 50 millions
people are not covered.
At least in europe, when one falls in the streets, he s not
asked his credit card before being hospitalized..

 

[theeedude]

http://wi.rlc.org/2010/08/paul-ryans-record/:
Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)
Paul Ryan on Education
Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.
-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)
Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

The OP needs to change the title to something that's not some misleading BS. The budget, under Ryan's plan, will not be balanced until 2040.

Republicans are for deficit spending if it's a Republican in the White House.

 

[QuantumPion]

At least in europe, when one falls in the streets, he s not asked his credit card before being hospitalized..

That's true. I mean in America when you go to the hospital, they make you better then give you a bill. In Europe, they don't bother making you better, and instead of sending you a bill they just take 50% of your paycheck.