Paul Ryan could be out

[Fanatical Meat]

Trumps rampage continues.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chatter-grows-that-ryan-could-step-down/ar-AAjRQzm?li=BBnb7Kz

I'm no Ryan fan but I do believe he's a capable guy.

 

[ivwshane]

Trumps rampage continues.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chatter-grows-that-ryan-could-step-down/ar-AAjRQzm?li=BBnb7Kz

I'm no Ryan fan but I do believe he's a capable guy.

I disagree. He won't be out nor is he a capable guy. Have you seen his budgets?

 

[PianoMan]

I find it hard to judge Ryan's capability as it's hidden by his political agenda. He seems to focus more on the latter than exercising the former.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I disagree. He won't be out nor is he a capable guy. Have you seen his budgets?

you even lift bro?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

By saying capable I mean there is at least a glimmer of hope compromise can be made with him.

 

[ivwshane]

By saying capable I mean there is at least a glimmer of hope compromise can be made with him.

There really isn't. The fact is the left has such lowered expectations of Republicans that someone like ryan seems to be reasonable.

 

[dank69]

By saying capable I mean there is at least a glimmer of hope compromise can be made with him.

He knows compromise is necessary to get things done but also knows any compromise is a sign of weakness to the retards that vote Republican. I'm almost glad he can't compromise at this point though because the policies he wants are such shit that even a little piece would be poison to our economy.

 

[theeedude]

We are entering times of troubles, and Ryan is getting out of dodge. If Clinton wins, House is going to be doing never ending investigations and dysfunction, shutdown threats, etc. The last time that happened with Bill Clinton as president, it was their leadership that got decimated, not the target. If Trump wins, he is almost certain to become one of the worst and unpopular presidents in US history, taking down anyone around him. Trickle down policies GOP will be passing have been proven to not work over the last 35 years and will lead to an economic disaster. Either way, whoever is speaker of the House is going to become tainted goods, and Ryan is a young guy with ambitions of higher office, so he wants to be nowhere near the speaker seat when shit hits that fan.

 

[nickqt]

Ryan barely got elected Speaker the first time. Like Boehner, he'd have to rely on Democrats for votes to get anything done.

If Strongman Trump loses and TrumpTheLoser decides to go after Ryan (which he already has, e.g. Steve Bannon), then Ryan is gone, probably like Boehner,.

I imagine Boehner, followed by Ryan, jumping out of their car in a game of chicken as the Freedom Caucus throws the brake pedal and steering wheel out of the vehicle, cheered on by TrumpTV and the smoking remains of Fox News.

They say I'm a dreamer.

 

[theeedude]

Yeah, if Clinton blew out Trump, then the crazies would be humiliated, GOP would have hit rock bottom, and could start on a path back to sanity. But now it's looking like it's going to be close, which means that no lessons will be learned, and it will be more of the same dysfunction on the right.

 

[IronWing]

Maybe Ryan can take some time away from political office to hold a real job for awhile, see what the world is like out here? Nah.

 

[Jhhnn]

House Repubs are chained to the crazies, making the caucus ungovernable under current rules. Expect lots of posturing, pandering & hostage taking, maybe some govt shutdowns & constant Benghazi style investigating.

Meanwhile, most of America is getting really sick of their shit. They're in for a rough ride & an even rougher landing.

 

[UberNeuman]

Maybe Ryan can take some time away from political office to hold a real job for awhile, see what the world is like out here? Nah.

He can spend more time fake cleaning pans and dishes at the homeless shelter instead of feeding off the government tit like he has all of his life...

 

[Sunburn74]

Honestly I don't understand why people like paul ryan other than the fact that he's young and good looking. His policies seem lock step with Mitch McConnell, a truly loathsome piece of work. Kafka could have written his seminal book about despair with a small change where instead of a giant cockroach a man one day wakes up as Mitch McConnell and zero impact would be lost.

 

[Paratus]

So does anyone know the procedures for electing a new speaker?

If 218 votes are required what if say the democrats decide that they don't particularly feel that the House needs another speaker and refuse to vote Maybe not until the make up of the House reflects the will of the people.

I mean it's not like they would be doing anything useful under a republican speaker anyway.

Hmm

 

[Thump553]

Honestly I don't understand why people like paul ryan other than the fact that he's young and good looking. His policies seem lock step with Mitch McConnell, a truly loathsome piece of work. Kafka could have written his seminal book about despair with a small change where instead of a giant cockroach a man one day wakes up as Mitch McConnell and zero impact would be lost.

I agree with about 1% of Ryan's positions, but I think he is an extremely capable politician. He keeps his eyes on his goals but is willing to compromise in the meantime if he feels it is the best time for the long term goals he seeks, or as is increasing rare in the GOP world, if it is in the interests of the country.

Also of great significance is that his default position is not adversarial brinkmanship-diametrically different from the balance of the GOP leadership.

The only good thing about GOP crazies these days is they are cannibalizing their own.

 

[hal2kilo]

Honestly I don't understand why people like paul ryan other than the fact that he's young and good looking. His policies seem lock step with Mitch McConnell, a truly loathsome piece of work. Kafka could have written his seminal book about despair with a small change where instead of a giant cockroach a man one day wakes up as Mitch McConnell and zero impact would be lost.

He offers only more trickle down policies with more deficits (got to have take breaks).
I think he's done, no matter who wins the election. If none of the teahadists types lose seats then he's definitely done. I think the new run for speaker will really expose how much damage Trump has done to the Republican party. I thinks it's going to take several votes and expose a great angst among their party..

 

[kage69]

I disagree. He won't be out nor is he a capable guy. Have you seen his budgets?

Seconded.

He's going to try and get his old job back, watch.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So does anyone know the procedures for electing a new speaker?

If 218 votes are required what if say the democrats decide that they don't particularly feel that the House needs another speaker and refuse to vote Maybe not until the make up of the House reflects the will of the people.

I mean it's not like they would be doing anything useful under a republican speaker anyway.

Hmm

I'm no expert but I believe the minority party can elect a new speaker provided their votes aren't split. If the Republicans have more votes but they're split the minority can win.

 

[Jhhnn]

He offers only more trickle down policies with more deficits (got to have take breaks).
I think he's done, no matter who wins the election. If none of the teahadists types lose seats then he's definitely done. I think the new run for speaker will really expose how much damage Trump has done to the Republican party. I thinks it's going to take several votes and expose a great angst among their party..

Trump is a symptom of what Repubs have done to themselves. They've been crazifying these poor people for decades to get 'em to vote for trickle down class warfare economic policy for decades. The insincerity employed is astounding. They've made huge promises they can't keep if they wanted to. Trust me when I say they don't. They don't give a fuck about guns, about abortion, about immigration, about deficits, and especially about jobs. Jobs are the Job Creators' job, not the govt's job, so the Job Creators can fuck anybody, anytime, anywhere, any way they want to. They hold corporatism above democracy & the govt of the people, always.

 

[theeedude]

GOP made a deal with the Devil with its Southern Strategy. Now it's time for it to pay the piper and to go to Hell.

 

[Sunburn74]

The closet racism and sexism in the GOP is now their open platform. How sad

 

[Brainonska511]

I'm no expert but I believe the minority party can elect a new speaker provided their votes aren't split. If the Republicans have more votes but they're split the minority can win.

To be elected speaker, you must have a majority of the votes. The only way a minority party could get their speaker installed would be to have cross-over voters.
http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/memberfaq.aspx

Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers."

Although the Constitution does not require the Speaker to be a Member of the House, all Speakers have been Members.

When a Congress convenes for the first time, each major party conference or caucus nominates a candidate for Speaker. Members customarily elect the Speaker by roll call vote. A Member usually votes for the candidate from his or her own party conference or caucus but can vote for anyone, whether that person has been nominated or not.

To be elected, a candidate must receive an absolute majority of the votes cast—which may be less than a majority of the full House because of vacancies, absentee Members, or Members who vote "present." If no candidate receives the majority of votes, the roll call is repeated until a majority is reached and the Speaker is elected.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm no expert but I believe the minority party can elect a new speaker provided their votes aren't split. If the Republicans have more votes but they're split the minority can win.

The way it's really done-

Although no rule exists, based on tradition and practice from the earliest days of the nation, to be elected speaker a candidate must receive an absolute majority of all votes cast for individuals, i.e. excluding those who abstain. If no candidate wins such a majority, then the roll call is repeated until a speaker is elected. The last time repeated votes were required was in 1923, when the Speaker was elected on the ninth ballot.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#cite_note-crs-4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#Selection

It basically takes 217 votes if nobody abstains, otherwise a majority of votes cast. Repubs hold the speakership only by the grace of the 50 or so Freedom Caucus members. You know, the radical Teahadis. They hold the speakership, the party & the rest of us hostage to their whims. They're paralyzed by their own bomb throwers. An alternative is for a moderate Repub candidate to compromise with Dems & become a coalition speaker & screw the Tea Party but that won't happen. The Repub HOR, as it is, can't be governed and therefore can't really govern effectively, either.

They can, however, spread the FUD & entertain their vast following of conspiracy theorists with endless investigations & leaks, fits of contrived indignance & all the other moves in their song & dance routine.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump is a symptom of what Repubs have done to themselves. They've been crazifying these poor people for decades to get 'em to vote for trickle down class warfare economic policy for decades. The insincerity employed is astounding. They've made huge promises they can't keep if they wanted to. Trust me when I say they don't. They don't give a fuck about guns, about abortion, about immigration, about deficits, and especially about jobs. Jobs are the Job Creators' job, not the govt's job, so the Job Creators can fuck anybody, anytime, anywhere, any way they want to. They hold corporatism above democracy & the govt of the people, always.

You are right. This would've happened without Trump really.