Patriotic Millionaires decend on Washington demanding to pay more taxes

[JeffreyLebowski]

I'm convinced some right-wingers here, if prisoners in German concentration camps, would criticize the liberators who came to free them, worshiping their captors.

If they were slaves during the civil war, they'd volunteer to fight for the confederacy.

During our revolutionary war, the country was split between those for revolution and those for remaining under England. They'd be the latter.

How soon you forget. Conservatives support our militarty. Left wing douchebags like you spit in their faces.

 

[KGB]

I saw this on The Newshour last night.

 

[Fear No Evil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CzteDucRHo

 

[Arkaign]

IKE & Reagan >>>>>> All of the brainwashed modern 'conservatives'. I'm disgusted by all of them, save for Ron, who's kind of interesting because he actually means what he says, even if some of it is a bit silly.

You know what would be amazing?

CUT SPENDING

and

RAISE FUCKING TAXES on THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD IT

Why?

Because BOTH SIDES OF ASSHOLES HAVE SPENT LIKE MANIACS WHILE KEEPING TAXES LOW LEADING TO FUCKING RIDICULOUS DEBT.

Kill the debt, then taxes can start to come down again.

And FOR FUCKS SAKE, NO MORE WARS OF CHOICE.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Most of the arguments here are ludicrous, since they ignore what is actually happening.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258

61% of our money goes to Medicare, Medicaid and the Military... Lets just call this 3M.

How can we reduce this?

Well, one way is to look at HOW the money is being spent. Military research has produced some GOOD things as well as bad, but building so many stealth bombers in a world where many do not even have the technology to combat conventional ones, is a waste of cash.

So is our extended deployment around the world. We should not be the World's police force (and I am not even looking at "undocumented" expenses like Blackwater...)

Medicare and Medicaid pay for our old folks, mostluy. But when we look at it, we see that things like prescription plans pay boku bucks to PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES. You increase the allowance from $1200/mo to $1500/mo and guess what happens to the cost of XYZ? It conveniently keeps pace and the increase only allows for minimal increases in actual PHYSICAL coverage of the elderly. We are only doing a 2-step payoff for the lobbiests for Big Pharm.

Now this, combined with the FACT that most of the accessible "free wealth", the money that is not tied up in important things like FOOD, is just not being applied to support this system, we get a problem. Taxes for this money are even less than they were during the lauded Reagan years, but still more cry "unfair" and lobby for less.

The only thing that this $M protest/action was voicing was the desire that something be done to increase the contribution in a way that would not allow an unfair advantage be taken.

All this talk about voluntary contribution is absolute bullshit. there are NO sizable organizations in the country that can live by "customer support". Hell, even PBS does minor sponsorship now. You think that people will be willing to just give up their money when someone else isn't (and that person gets the same benefits, even w/o contributing?).

Get out of la-la land and suggest something realistic.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Ark, agree.

I think most REASONABLE individuals are right with you on that.

We can't go halfsies on this. We need taxes to go UP, and spending to go DOWN. Not one or the other. If the R's want to put THAT into their statement (See what would be needed to increased, then say "we will allow $2 of speculated tax increase for every $1 cut in spending", then maybe we would be on more solid ground... but this adamant "no new taxes" will never work. ESPECIALLY with people that SAY "smaller government" but still cling to the checks and benefits they are receiving...)

 

[spidey07]

You seem to be in favour of reducing government spending. Are you going to refuse SS payments when the time comes? Are you going to refuse medicare when the time comes? Are you going to refuse your wife's government salary? Are you going to stop driving on public roads to reduce maintenance costs?

No one is stopping you from personally reducing government spending, so why aren't you?

Let me opt out of SS and medicare taxes all together and get back what I paid in and I will GLADLY not accept any payments of MY MONEY.

 

[matt0611]

Ark, agree.

I think most REASONABLE individuals are right with you on that.

We can't go halfsies on this. We need taxes to go UP, and spending to go DOWN. Not one or the other. If the R's want to put THAT into their statement (See what would be needed to increased, then say "we will allow $2 of speculated tax increase for every $1 cut in spending", then maybe we would be on more solid ground... but this adamant "no new taxes" will never work. ESPECIALLY with people that SAY "smaller government" but still cling to the checks and benefits they are receiving...)

We need tax revenues to go UP if we want to reduce the deficit. Which they will when the economy recovers. We don't necessarily need higher tax rates or new taxes.

We need to start with the spending, which is out of damn control. If you go back to the late 90s spending levels and increase that based on population and inflation we would be about balanced now, and that's with these very low recession tax revenues. That should tell you something.

Spending is the problem, and no one is even talking about cutting the spending, its all decreasing the rate of growth 10 years out which means shit because you can't bind a future congress to these decisions. Its all smoke and mirrors.

Until the people in DC actually get serious about spending cuts I won't support any tax increases.

 

[Craig234]

How soon you forget. Conservatives support our militarty. Left wing douchebags like you spit in their faces.

The left supports our military. The right supports the misuse of our military - excessive size, immoral missions, corrupt wasteful spending, lack of accountability, etc.

Isn't it funny how the right's 'support for our military' comes mainly in defending corrupt major program spending and using them for speech props, while opposing the Democratic bills to actually pay more to our troops, improve their benefits, and not use them for corrupt wars. You're a moral scumbag, and as such I'm done with you in this 'chat'.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Matt, it won't work that way. Revenues are being stockpiled. All these cuts and 0% interest were pushed forth to encourage expansion, but few companies are hiring.

There has to be a way to get into the wad of cash these guys are sitting on in order to discourage hoarding and encourage development. Our loan plan is not working, and our bank bailout only prevented absolute meltdown.

 

[Craig234]

IKE & Reagan >>>>>> All of the brainwashed modern 'conservatives'. I'm disgusted by all of them, save for Ron, who's kind of interesting because he actually means what he says, even if some of it is a bit silly.

You know what would be amazing?

CUT SPENDING

and

RAISE FUCKING TAXES on THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD IT

Why?

Because BOTH SIDES OF ASSHOLES HAVE SPENT LIKE MANIACS WHILE KEEPING TAXES LOW LEADING TO FUCKING RIDICULOUS DEBT.

Kill the debt, then taxes can start to come down again.

And FOR FUCKS SAKE, NO MORE WARS OF CHOICE.

So, do you support the budget proposal that has the fastest schedule for balancing the budget - and by the way, from the group who opposes the 'wars of choice'?

Referring to the progressives' people's budget.

Easy to find with a google.

 

[soulcougher73]

I know im late to this party, but queue republicans with "if they want to pay more taxes they are free to write a check to the fed"

 

[Ninjahedge]

How soon you forget. Conservatives support our militarty. Left wing douchebags like you spit in their faces.

Actually you should be in arms about the FACT that more money s spent on defense contracting that PAYING the soldiers, their families and others. We constantly see stories about the "heroes" coming home and being fitted with medical braces and prosthetics, but how much do we really spend on this and how many are GETTING this care?

Stop lumping things together. You need a finer brush to paint anything more complicated than a smiley-face.

 

[Craig234]

Matt, it won't work that way. Revenues are being stockpiled. All these cuts and 0% interest were pushed forth to encourage expansion, but few companies are hiring.

There has to be a way to get into the wad of cash these guys are sitting on in order to discourage hoarding and encourage development. Our loan plan is not working, and our bank bailout only prevented absolute meltdown.

One way to get the 'hoard of cash' into the economy: tax it and put it into spending to benefit the country.

 

[matt0611]

Matt, it won't work that way. Revenues are being stockpiled. All these cuts and 0% interest were pushed forth to encourage expansion, but few companies are hiring.

There has to be a way to get into the wad of cash these guys are sitting on in order to discourage hoarding and encourage development. Our loan plan is not working, and our bank bailout only prevented absolute meltdown.

"hoarding" is a red-herring and irrelevant.
If people are not consuming and are saving its for good reasons.

 

[spidey07]

Matt, it won't work that way. Revenues are being stockpiled. All these cuts and 0% interest were pushed forth to encourage expansion, but few companies are hiring.

There has to be a way to get into the wad of cash these guys are sitting on in order to discourage hoarding and encourage development. Our loan plan is not working, and our bank bailout only prevented absolute meltdown.

You have very scary thinking. Who's money is it and why do you want to "get into it". This appears to be the mind of a liberal, that the money is actually the government's and out of government's good will and grace they "let" you keep some of the government's money. That's downright scary.

 

[Ninjahedge]

One way to get the 'hoard of cash' into the economy: tax it and put it into spending to benefit the country.

Too broad a statement, although I do agree with the general idea.

 

[Ninjahedge]

"hoarding" is a red-herring and irrelevant.

No, it is 100% relevant, and an issue brought up at the time of the bailout.

If people are not consuming and are saving its for good reasons.

Broad brush. this is not "people". This is CORPORATIONS. This is also that small % of individuals that OWN these corporations and earn $$$ themselves.

I am not talking about the $80K family buying a new TV and eating at the Cheesecake Factory.

 

[matt0611]

No, it is 100% relevant, and an issue brought up at the time of the bailout.



Broad brush. this is not "people". This is CORPORATIONS. This is also that small % of individuals that OWN these corporations and earn $$$ themselves.

I am not talking about the $80K family buying a new TV and eating at the Cheesecake Factory.

Corporations or people, irrelevant. If they are not spending its for good reasons.
Government should not get involved to change this.

 

[Ninjahedge]

You have very scary thinking. Who's money is it and why do you want to "get into it". This appears to be the mind of a liberal, that the money is actually the government's and out of government's good will and grace they "let" you keep some of the government's money. That's downright scary.

Whose? OMG, knock it off Mr Doomsayer.

Your general terminology and broad application is the sign of a conspiracy theorist.

The government has cut costs in hopes (they say) that it would be re-invested back into the system. It has not. So how do they get back their investment in corporate america?

Asking nicely?

Fail.

 

[jackstar7]

Corporations or people, irrelevant. If they are not spending its for good reasons.

Blind faith has that name for a reason...

 

[matt0611]

Blind faith has that name for a reason...

I would call faith in the congressmen and bureaucrats in our government to spend our money better than private individuals or corporations that that money belongs to - blind, indeed.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Because they had a naked girl on the cover?

 

[Atreus21]

Actually you should be in arms about the FACT that more money s spent on defense contracting that PAYING the soldiers, their families and others. We constantly see stories about the "heroes" coming home and being fitted with medical braces and prosthetics, but how much do we really spend on this and how many are GETTING this care?

Stop lumping things together. You need a finer brush to paint anything more complicated than a smiley-face.

How exactly do people hoard money? Do they stuff it into mattresses?

 

[jackstar7]

I would call faith in the congressmen and bureaucrats in our government to spend our money better than individuals or corporations that that money belongs to - blind, indeed.

I'd call all faith blind, and idiotic.

But your faith is awesome. Double-awesome. Because it's in people... and they always do the... oh, what was it... the poop? Oh yeah, everyone poops.