Patriot act renewal defeated in the House - How did the Tea Party do?

[Phokus]

So the Patriot Act renewal failed 277-to-148

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/02/ahead-of-patriot-act-vote-some.html

The House measure, which was sponsored by Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) and required a two-thirds majority for passage, failed on a 277-to-148 vote. Twenty-six Republicans voted with 122 Democrats to oppose the measure, while 67 Democrats voted with 210 Republicans to back it. Ten members did not vote.

So it looks like it needed a 2/3rds vote, but a majority of the democrats voted against it and a small minority of the GOP sided with those particular democrats and it didn't pass by just a few votes. It seems like it's going to pass when it comes up again because it's going to need only a simple majority next time.

What's interested is how the Tea Party contingent voted:

You'll likely hear some media accounts saying that the "Tea Party" wing of the GOP was responsible for beating back the Patriot Act, but that's not quite true. Of the 26 Republican "nay" votes, only eight came from the massive freshman class, and many of those generally associated with the right-wing faction -- including Michele Bachmann and Allen West -- voted with the GOP leadership in support of the bill. Indeed, looking specifically at the 52 members of the House Tea Party Caucus, 44 of them voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act.

Tea Partiers, in other words, generally backed the bill, their rhetoric about "limited government" notwithstanding.

Ok you guys can stop pretending that you're going to be ushering some new era of limited government now, your stupid movement was an astroturf campaign by corporate interests who hijacked a movement started by those poor hapless libertarians. Funny how i don't hear MORE of an uproar by the libertarian party over this though. I know the original founders have screamed about it though.

 

[her209]

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Oh, and egg on Boehner's and Cantor's faces because they really thought they could get it passed with 2/3 votes. Of course, true to form, Boehner blames the Democrats for the bill's defeat.

 

[Phokus]

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Oh, and egg on Boehner's and Cantor's faces because they really thought they could get it passed with 2/3 votes. Of course, true to form, Boehner blames the Democrats for the bill's defeat.

Yeah, i saw that thread, but my thread was more about what a bunch of fraud that the tea party was/is (hence the title)

 

[matt0611]

Yeah, the majority of those republicans are hypocrites about big government, they are for economic liberty but will not stand up for civil rights and privacy. How can you be for some of the constitution but not other parts?

At least my flaming liberal representative voted against it.

Kudos to the small amount of republicans that voted against it and the democrats for going against the wishes of Obama and voting against it.

At least Rand Paul says he will oppose the Patriot Act in the senate. Hopefully there is enough democrats that will oppose it as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSDBswx90Cs

 

[manimal]

Lets rename it to the big brother act...

 

[Thump553]

I'm not really up on House rules. Why did it need a two-thirds vote?

 

[Scotteq]

I'm not really up on House rules. Why did it need a two-thirds vote?

Because they were trying to bypass the normal procedures.

 

[xj0hnx]

Yeah, the majority of those republicans are hypocrites about big government, they are for economic liberty but will not stand up for civil rights and privacy. How can you be for some of the constitution but not other parts?

Yes, they are. I've never understood social conservatism, it just doesn't jive with freedom.

At least my flaming liberal representative voted against it.

Our doughboy voted for it, of course he isn't one of the Tea Party people, and I had no doubt that he went to Washington to toe the Republican line

 

[Phokus]

Yeah, the majority of those republicans are hypocrites about big government, they are for economic liberty but will not stand up for civil rights and privacy. How can you be for some of the constitution but not other parts?

At least my flaming liberal representative voted against it.

Kudos to the small amount of republicans that voted against it and the democrats for going against the wishes of Obama and voting against it.

At least Rand Paul says he will oppose the Patriot Act in the senate. Hopefully there is enough democrats that will oppose it as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSDBswx90Cs

Personally, i wasn't very interested in the mainstream democrat/republican support of the patriot act renewal, but the tea party support is interesting because they purport themselves to be an anti-government 'grass roots' organization (as if the mainstream D's and R's are their opposition). The question is, if the majority of tea party congressmen supports the patriot act, will the very small minority, like rand paul, call them out on it?

 

[Anarchist420]

Yeah, the majority of those republicans are hypocrites about big government, they are for economic liberty but will not stand up for civil rights and privacy. How can you be for some of the constitution but not other parts?

At least my flaming liberal representative voted against it.

Kudos to the small amount of republicans that voted against it and the democrats for going against the wishes of Obama and voting against it.

At least Rand Paul says he will oppose the Patriot Act in the senate. Hopefully there is enough democrats that will oppose it as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSDBswx90Cs

They aren't for economic liberty either, by any stretch of the imagination. That neocon dipshit Eric Cantor voted for Medicare Part D and said that some parts of Obamacare were good.

 

[JS80]

Yeah, the majority of those republicans are hypocrites about big government, they are for economic liberty but will not stand up for civil rights and privacy. How can you be for some of the constitution but not other parts?

At least my flaming liberal representative voted against it.

Kudos to the small amount of republicans that voted against it and the democrats for going against the wishes of Obama and voting against it.

At least Rand Paul says he will oppose the Patriot Act in the senate. Hopefully there is enough democrats that will oppose it as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSDBswx90Cs

Civil rights and privacy is an illusion. Economic liberty is the only liberty one needs to have. What good is privacy if I have no money to do H&B?

 

[alkemyst]

I think it's rather scary the number that wanted to keep it.

 

[Phokus]

Civil rights and privacy is an illusion. Economic liberty is the only liberty one needs to have. What good is privacy if I have no money to do H&B?

You sure are good for moronic quotes. Damn the signature character limit.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I like how you point out that the Tea Party didn't vote it down, yet the Dems all want to kill it. Except http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/obama-seeks-longer-patriot-act-extension-republicans/
The Obama Administration wants to extend it not 1 year, but 3 more years.

 

[Phokus]

I like how you point out that the Tea Party didn't vote it down, yet the Dems all want to kill it. Except http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/obama-seeks-longer-patriot-act-extension-republicans/
The Obama Administration wants to extend it not 1 year, but 3 more years.

It's notable because a) 44 out of 52 Tea Party members voted for it and b) You idiots keep telling us how the Tea Party is some grass roots 'for the people, by the people' campaign to limit government and go against the establish democrat/republican hold on government. Sorry, but in this case, even the majority of mainstream Democrats went against the president on this one while the tea party followed the overwhelming majority of republicans and sizeable number of democrats in voting for it. That's the way you should see it.

 

[matt0611]

Twenty-six Republicans voted against the Patriot Act extension, eight were freshmen – Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Mike Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Chris Gibson (N.Y.), Randy Hultgren (Ill.), Raul Labrador (Idaho), Bobby Schilling (Ill.), Dave Schweikert (Ariz.) and Rob Woodall (Ga.)

Of those eight freshmen, it appears that all were Tea Party-supported candidates.

Rep Ron Paul voted it down also, of course.

A lot of the tea party people are terrible, there are a few decent ones. I am a fan of anyone who votes this unconstitutional POS down.

Anyway, I think its bound to pass today because they will vote on a simple majority.
Maybe we will have better luck in the senate with democrats holding the majority, who knows.

 

[Phokus]

You sure are good for quotes. Damn the signature character limit.

Oh sweet, i was somehow about to squeeze in JS80's newest fucking retarded quote. (the important part anyway)

 

[Thump553]

Not a very effective start for Boener and Cantor. Tip O'Neil, Newt Gingrrich or any of the other competent Speakers of the House knew you don't bring something like this up for a vote until you are certain the votes on your side are locked in.

 

[Steeplerot]

Economic liberty is the only liberty one needs to have.

Awesome d00d!

Wage slavery or starvation for the elites is not a choice, it is a threat. lawl economic liberty my ass.

 

[Fern]

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What's interested is how the Tea Party contingent voted:


Ok you guys can stop pretending that you're going to be ushering some new era of limited government now, your stupid movement was an astroturf campaign by corporate interests who hijacked a movement started by those poor hapless libertarians. Funny how i don't hear MORE of an uproar by the libertarian party over this though. I know the original founders have screamed about it though.

I strongly suspect that the TEA Party people see the Patriot Act as something very very different that you.

You and many others see it as an expansion of Big Brother. I bet they don't.

You and many others see it as an intrusion on Americans' Constitutional rights. I bet they don't.

I bet they see it as an anti-terrrorism measure. And I bet, unlike many others, they don't believe foreign terrorists have US Constitutional (4th amendment) rights to infringe on anyway.

IMO, the TEA Party is more about fiscal conservatism. I'll give them h3ll if they vote to spend a ton of $'s, even if it has to do with 'Homeland Security" (IMO, we spend too damn much on that.)

BTW: I also don't get why they needed a 2/3 majority instead of the 51%. And yeah Boehner and the Repubs in charge of the House look like boobs who can't count votes.

Fern

 

[Chaotic42]

Civil rights and privacy is an illusion. Economic liberty is the only liberty one needs to have. What good is privacy if I have no money to do H&B?

I'd like to see you expand on that. How are they illusions and how is privacy useless without money?

 

[Jaskalas]

I strongly suspect that the TEA Party people see the Patriot Act as something very very different that you.

You and many others see it as an expansion of Big Brother. I bet they don't.

You and many others see it as an intrusion on Americans' Constitutional rights. I bet they don't.

I bet they see it as an anti-terrrorism measure. And I bet, unlike many others, they don't believe foreign terrorists have US Constitutional (4th amendment) rights to infringe on anyway.

That !@#$ is not used on foreign terrorists a tenth as often as it is used against domestic Americans. The entire fabric of its existence is aimed at US.

 

[xj0hnx]

Civil rights and privacy is an illusion. Economic liberty is the only liberty one needs to have. What good is privacy if I have no money to do H&B?

Um ...no. Civil rights, and privacy are far from illusions, and I guarantee you give up those two, and you can kiss you "economic liberty" good bye.

 

[Phokus]

I strongly suspect that the TEA Party people see the Patriot Act as something very very different that you.

You and many others see it as an expansion of Big Brother. I bet they don't.

You and many others see it as an intrusion on Americans' Constitutional rights. I bet they don't.

I bet they see it as an anti-terrrorism measure. And I bet, unlike many others, they don't believe foreign terrorists have US Constitutional (4th amendment) rights to infringe on anyway.

IMO, the TEA Party is more about fiscal conservatism. I'll give them h3ll if they vote to spend a ton of $'s, even if it has to do with 'Homeland Security" (IMO, we spend too damn much on that.)

BTW: I also don't get why they needed a 2/3 majority instead of the 51%. And yeah Boehner and the Repubs in charge of the House look like boobs who can't count votes.

Fern

1st, LOL, you actually believe what you wrote.

2nd, why is it that the majority of tea partiers have such a negative view on free trade?

In the Journal poll, 61% of those who identify themselves as tea-party supporters say trade agreements have hurt the U.S.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703466104575529753735783116.html