Pat Robertson Wants You to Smoke Pot Legally

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OutHouse

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lol one thing he says i can agree with.

http://news.yahoo.com/pat-robertson-wants-smoke-pot-legally-143457144.html

Yes, according to an interview with The New York Times on Wednesday, the strict evangelical who believes gay people cause hurricanes and that mac 'n cheese may be a "black thing," is also for the legalization of marijuana. But it isn't because he's tried the stuff. It's a bit more complicated than that. “I really believe we should treat marijuana the way we treat beverage alcohol,” Robertson told The Times. "I’ve never used marijuana and I don’t intend to, but it’s just one of those things that I think: this war on drugs just hasn’t succeeded." This has been a talking point for Robertson for some time now.
 

destrekor

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So do many libertarians and liberals

/ibtm

But this is a bleeding heart evangelical. Usually weed is the devil's favorite substance according to these types. :rolleyes: :D

I personally take a mostly libertarian approach, and even before arriving at that stance, agreed it should be treated exactly the same as alcohol. Exactly like alcohol, including the age of 21 (not for adult reasons, where alcohol probably should be 18 but the puritans won out on that) - some non-biased research points a strong finger at "high doses" of cannabinoids during neurologically formative years as something that can hinder development if not alter it's course entirely. Of course, the prefrontal cortex actually continues development through the mid 20s (on average), but shhh, 21 still pretty much works out fine. It's the rest of the brain that marijuana may [or may not] impact if consumed before maturation. The jury is still technically out, and with the puritans controlling even research funding, that recess may continue for a few decades. :(
Not that any of that is actually considered when debating the status of marijuana law, because our politicians are insanely retarded (so is the majority of the American population, considering they keep re-electing these jackoffs).
 

Saint Nick

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I didn't take a puff until >21 and I haven't noticed any ill effects. However, many of my friends and relatives puffed well before 21 and many of them are class A losers. Not all of them, just a good chunk.
 

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i smoked weed every day starting at mid 16 all the way up to 29. through that time, i was always working. i got a union construction job at 20 years old and im still doing that. bought a house at 18 and finished remodeling it last year- now its leased to sell.

then i just recently stopped. no real reason other then money. i still take a hit occasionaly on the weekend maybe, but never addicted. because its impossible to be addicted to it. its truly the absolute most harmless drug on the face of this planet. it is impossible to die from overdose unless youre allergic somehow.

MANY more people smoke weed then you realize. it just doesnt show because it just doesnt do that much to you. people who are losers that smoke weed are just that- losers who happen to smoke weed.

the tragedy is that prohibition causes WAY more damage then the drug itself. ive been jailed 3 times for it, costing thousands of dollars. it is so stupid i dont even want to get into it here, but spitting gum on a sidewalk is far more damaging to society then firing up a bowl.
 

bfdd

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Good for him. I didn't smoke until after high school and got really paranoid, so I didn't really continue. Now I use it to treat IBS symptoms. I use cannabis every day, going on my third year with my medical card.
 

destrekor

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i smoked weed every day starting at mid 16 all the way up to 29. through that time, i was always working. i got a union construction job at 20 years old and im still doing that. bought a house at 18 and finished remodeling it last year- now its leased to sell.

then i just recently stopped. no real reason other then money. i still take a hit occasionaly on the weekend maybe, but never addicted. because its impossible to be addicted to it. its truly the absolute most harmless drug on the face of this planet. it is impossible to die from overdose unless youre allergic somehow.

MANY more people smoke weed then you realize. it just doesnt show because it just doesnt do that much to you. people who are losers that smoke weed are just that- losers who happen to smoke weed.

the tragedy is that prohibition causes WAY more damage then the drug itself. ive been jailed 3 times for it, costing thousands of dollars. it is so stupid i dont even want to get into it here, but spitting gum on a sidewalk is far more damaging to society then firing up a bowl.

Smoking weed in of itself does not necessarily correlate to problems in life. I've known many who enjoy it and regularly enjoyed it, and lead very successful and professional lives.
But the earlier you start, the more it can impact your development.
My "21" comment isn't entirely related to development, and I should have made that more clear: the majority of the consensus in the [little] research I've read relating to chemicals and neurological development doesn't actually specify any kind of hard age, other than making a case of legalization should, at best follow that of tobacco, which is age 18. That information was one that argued "after 18, it generally cannot hinder neurological development" or something along those lines. It could well not impact even an 15 year old, however, that is pushing it and in terms of youth development, you honestly must not risk that when offering up intoxicating substances for legal purchase. That, and it really depends on the individual and genetic/personality disposition toward recreation/intoxication; i.e., how do they approach chemicals. Some people are simply prone to addiction (toward anything, illicit or not, doesn't even have to be a chemical). In short, how someone approaches neurological stimulation, and their approach to self-administration of said stimulation.
Some people also will be slow to mature in other neurological focal points, and some will be fast - that, and it definitely helps to already have a firm decision-making and information-filtering ability before you start playing around with chemicals (that ability is centered entirely in the prefrontal cortex, btw). Thus, why 21 is a good physiological basis when it comes to law.
Mind you, none of that truly matters, because only the puritans and hardcore law-abiding zealots actually follow such guidelines. Youth will get their hands on what they want, one way or the other. Partly because of that prefrontal cortex not being fully mature, and mostly because humans simply are that way through and through - some take it to extremes, but in general, if there is no harm done to anyone, we want to get what we want. If it's accessible and affordable, ultimately we will. :)


And as far as the notion of: "more often than not, the weed smokers I know tend to be lowlifes" ... bah. You only know the obvious ones. More often than not, you've known many people you would otherwise not suspect of using illegal chemicals (for whatever reason), yet they've been enjoying it for a good part of the time you've known them (depending on how long/age when first met, of course).
And we also have a nasty habit of only suspecting the ones that already fit the stereotypes we know - do they appear to be a lowlife? I bet they smoke weed/do drugs/get into all sorts of trouble (and hell, for those types - they usually proclaim it in some fashion, sometimes proudly).
Do they fit the stereotype of a geek, always having carried a 4.0 GPA? Are they record-setting athletes? Are they very professional and seemingly by the book? Some of those people smoke weed or enjoy other drugs, but only those with which they partake will ever know. ;)
Your hardcore, by the book bosses? They could be tokers.
Granted, the more they fit those other categories, the less often (on average) they often do it, but they might do it less often for a variety of reasons.

And there are at least a handful of regular tokers who are highly successful and professional, who also agree with keeping it illegal.
And at this point, many don't do it entirely because of regular drug testing and/or because it's illegal and carries too much risk for their aspirations/goals and choose to no longer do it (or for that reason, have yet to even try it, but may support it).
It's pretty much where it's at today because of a vicious circle of rhetoric and bullshit.
 

yhelothar

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i smoked weed every day starting at mid 16 all the way up to 29. through that time, i was always working. i got a union construction job at 20 years old and im still doing that. bought a house at 18 and finished remodeling it last year- now its leased to sell.

then i just recently stopped. no real reason other then money. i still take a hit occasionaly on the weekend maybe, but never addicted. because its impossible to be addicted to it. its truly the absolute most harmless drug on the face of this planet. it is impossible to die from overdose unless youre allergic somehow.

MANY more people smoke weed then you realize. it just doesnt show because it just doesnt do that much to you. people who are losers that smoke weed are just that- losers who happen to smoke weed.

the tragedy is that prohibition causes WAY more damage then the drug itself. ive been jailed 3 times for it, costing thousands of dollars. it is so stupid i dont even want to get into it here, but spitting gum on a sidewalk is far more damaging to society then firing up a bowl.

I can guarantee you that there are stories of regular coke sniffers that say the same thing. No drug works the same on everyone, so these anecdotal stories are just... well, anecdotal.
 

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lol one thing he says i can agree with.

http://news.yahoo.com/pat-robertson-wants-smoke-pot-legally-143457144.html

Yes, according to an interview with The New York Times on Wednesday, the strict evangelical who believes gay people cause hurricanes and that mac 'n cheese may be a "black thing," is also for the legalization of marijuana. But it isn't because he's tried the stuff. It's a bit more complicated than that. “I really believe we should treat marijuana the way we treat beverage alcohol,” Robertson told The Times. "I’ve never used marijuana and I don’t intend to, but it’s just one of those things that I think: this war on drugs just hasn’t succeeded." This has been a talking point for Robertson for some time now.

I mostly agree with him, it's this part I don't:

this war on drugs just hasn’t succeeded.

It has been a success - successful at criminalizing Americans, especially minorities, and making big money for law enforcement, politicians, and drug companies. Those people can rot in hell for all I care, this "War on Americans Drugs" must end.
 

destrekor

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Good for him. I didn't smoke until after high school and got really paranoid, so I didn't really continue. Now I use it to treat IBS symptoms. I use cannabis every day, going on my third year with my medical card.

That's half the reason I wish it would be entirely legalized (with obvious restrictions, like other intoxicants). It's one of the most beneficial chemicals on the medical front. You can smoke just a bit, to the point you barely even recognize any mind-alteration (might feel a little more positive / have your chin up a bit higher), yet it will still successfully combat a variety of symptoms. Which, when compared to regular administration of a variety of OTC chemicals, a single one in your cabinet can alleviate most of the things we'd self medicate for - let alone what it can help with on the medical disorder/diagnoses front (such as IBS in your case).
And then there's the potential for it to help prevent cancer over the years... it's the opposite of nicotine - THC specifically has an anti-tumor property which means it *could* help prevent them from ever staking their flag in our body and growing cancerous. Of course, that level of study is extremely difficult thanks to funding restrictions and other problems related to its legal status, so the body of evidence is still fairly minimal.
 

Kadarin

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I think Pat Robertson is absolutely right on this issue, and for the right reasons.
 
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