Pat Buchanon making sense once again

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Bitek

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I don't care for many of Pat's positions on social issues, but on foriegn policy issues he makes a great deal of sense, prob why the Bushies and the other neoconartists hate him so much. Their whole game is just retorical hyperbole and overcharged buzzwords, but really no good plans on what to do and too insecure and arrogant to admit mistakes and change to correct them. The majority is waking up to their smoke and mirrors act and now they are getting desperate. Do they see their mistakes and even try a new PR strategy? No, just more of the same BS they have been peddling, just try to crank the hype button up a notch.

Pat on immigration? I've heard him say part of his solution would be to shutdown/drastically reduce immigration for a decade to allow the current influx of immigrants to assimilate into American culture. Not slowing down the huge influx will just cause futher cultural balkanization and social unrest, as we've seen building over the last ~10 yrs or so with all the latinos coming in. I've thought something like this myself, and agreed with him. Or maybe I just did bc I hate bush and my mind is an empty vessel to be filled with anything that is anti. Or maybe that's how the Bushies are and can't imagine seeing the rest of the world any other way..
 

WHAMPOM

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Fascists and Jingoists calling each other dirty names. I don't care. Let us impeach the President that gave false oath to obey and defend the Constitution! It is not just a piece of paper. :heart:
 

CellarDoor

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Pat is a rare bird these days. Registered republican, but not a bat-sh!t crazy neo-con. He's an old school republican which can actually be respected.

He's always been an isolationist, nationalist, strongly morally/religiously conservative, and somewhat of a racist. Go look up his record on positions, he's waaay far right. If you respect his far right opinions, I guess that's your problem.

All the lefties want to give him a massage because of his complete isolationist outlook he is opposed to the war in Iraq. But he makes most republicans look downright liberal!

I respect real republicans. Not the neo-con garbage we've been given lately. But thanks for putting words in my mouth. :cookie:

So you are OK with his positions on abortion, immigration, gun control, school prayer, intelligent design, women's rights, civil rights, gay rights, and intelligent design/evolution?

Should we trot out a few quotes and see if you agree with them?

:roll:

You lefties are a piece of work. Then enemy of my enemy is my friend...no wonder why the not-so-subtle fascination prevalent through the years with communism, and now islamic fascism.

The poster you quoted said none of that. All he said was that he respected him. Respect does not imply "agree with." Surely it's possible to respect someone and not agree with them.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: alchemize

You lefties are a piece of work. Then enemy of my enemy is my friend...no wonder why the not-so-subtle fascination prevalent through the years with communism, and now islamic fascism.
Can you please explain to me what exactly is Islamic Fascism amd how the "Lefties" are fascinated with it?
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Pat is a rare bird these days. Registered republican, but not a bat-sh!t crazy neo-con. He's an old school republican which can actually be respected.

He's always been an isolationist, nationalist, strongly morally/religiously conservative, and somewhat of a racist. Go look up his record on positions, he's waaay far right. If you respect his far right opinions, I guess that's your problem.

All the lefties want to give him a massage because of his complete isolationist outlook he is opposed to the war in Iraq. But he makes most republicans look downright liberal!

I respect real republicans. Not the neo-con garbage we've been given lately. But thanks for putting words in my mouth. :cookie:

So you are OK with his positions on abortion, immigration, gun control, school prayer, intelligent design, women's rights, civil rights, gay rights, and intelligent design/evolution?

Should we trot out a few quotes and see if you agree with them?

:roll:

You lefties are a piece of work. Then enemy of my enemy is my friend...no wonder why the not-so-subtle fascination prevalent through the years with communism, and now islamic fascism.

Did I say that I agreed with any of that? Where does respect for old school republicans = me liking or agreeing with their ideas on abortion, affirmitive action, etc.??? Can you read?
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: alchemize

You lefties are a piece of work. Then enemy of my enemy is my friend...no wonder why the not-so-subtle fascination prevalent through the years with communism, and now islamic fascism.
Can you please explain to me what exactly is Islamic Fascism amd how the "Lefties" are fascinated with it?

See previous posts for more description on islamic fascism.

Lefties are fascinated with it because they generaly are anti-semites and so they affiliate themselves with groups like Hamas. You can see it at every anti-war march.

Granted my definition of a "leftie" is pretty far left. They aren't generally a large portion of the general population, but are a pretty large portion of this board's population (much like far-righties who conversely are a very small population on this board).
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Pat is a rare bird these days. Registered republican, but not a bat-sh!t crazy neo-con. He's an old school republican which can actually be respected.

He's always been an isolationist, nationalist, strongly morally/religiously conservative, and somewhat of a racist. Go look up his record on positions, he's waaay far right. If you respect his far right opinions, I guess that's your problem.

All the lefties want to give him a massage because of his complete isolationist outlook he is opposed to the war in Iraq. But he makes most republicans look downright liberal!



Isolationist - As in putting America first above other nations.

Nationalist - As in putting America first above other nations.

strongly morally/religiously conservative - Yes he is a die hard Catholic but he is much more reasonable then your average evangelical that worships and prays for the end of the world.

Racist - Only to those with an ultra-PC agenda or who are out-right first and foremost lobbiests of foriegn countries and their agendas above putting America first.
LOL


OK show me where he's "more reasonable then your average evangelical"

"Buchanan opposes legalized abortion, including in cases of rape and incest, on the grounds that human life begins at conception. He calls RU-486 a human pesticide [35] and does not see a paradox between his pro-life and pro-death penalty views.He says there is a correlation between violence in society and the legal availability of abortions, comparing legalization to the downfall of Weimar Germany. As a result, he opposes Planned Parenthood, UNFPA and fetal-tissue research. Buchanan wants Congress to hold hearings on when life begins and confer "personhood" on the unborn. He wrote,"

"Buchanan says pornography is a symptom of society's displacement of Christianity. He argues that capitalism's power should not extend to such material. He referred to hardcore pornography as ? the sort of squalid, grungy stuff that, not long ago, would have had the men who produced and distributed it sent to prison for years, after being denounced from the bench as perverts"

"Buchanan supports legalized prayer in public schools. He complains that Christianity and the Ten Commandments were "expelled" from public education.[41] He also says that Congress should restrict the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court to block decisions against it.[42] He argues that Court decisions, such as those that eliminated staff-sanctioned prayer helped lead to the downfall of American public education"

"Buchanan denies that homosexuality is a civil right, calls it unhealthy and described gay male sex practices as "not only immoral, but filthy." Further, Buchanan says that public acceptance of homosexuality inevitably leads to societal decay and the collapse of the family.[45] He wrote in 1990, "With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide."

"Referring to AIDS in 1993, he said that gays "declared war upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution" and urged New York City Mayor Ed Koch and New York State Gov. Mario Cuomo cancel the Gay Pride Parade or else "be held personally responsible for the spread of the AIDS plague." Despite this sentiment, Buchanan has developed professional ties with openly gay paleolibertarian Justin Raimondo, due to their common Old Right anti-war views."

"Buchanan also takes positions against feminism. For example, in a 1983 syndicated column, he wrote that women are "simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (In 2000, he said that his sister Bay felt this statement went too far)

"In Right from the Beginning, Buchanan wrote that "The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." He does not believe in allowing women to serve in combat in the military. In Death of the West, he writes that early campaigners for women's rights such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton held social views distinctly different from the second-wave feminism of the 1960s, and implicates the latter as one of the main phenomena responsible for imperiling Western Civilization. [5]"

"Buchanan says that parents have the right to decide whether or not their children are taught Darwinism in school.[47] He calls Darwinism a dogmatic faith system that cannot withstand the burden of proof.[48] He endorses the intelligent design critique of evolutionary theory:

Science itself points to intelligent design. For most of man's existence, we did not understand the laws of gravity, the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry. But applying those laws today, we can send a rocket millions of miles and strike a distant planet, predicting impact to the minute. But does not the existence of these natural laws imply the existence of a lawmaker?[49]"


Another antibushitis infected moron...

Any other lefties ready to drool over Pat and how much sense he makes and how much they respect him? lol

If Pat was holding any office today lefties would be flinging themselves off of buildings wholesale...but since he opposes Bush on Iraq, then he is "respected". What a joke.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Pat is a rare bird these days. Registered republican, but not a bat-sh!t crazy neo-con. He's an old school republican which can actually be respected.

He's always been an isolationist, nationalist, strongly morally/religiously conservative, and somewhat of a racist. Go look up his record on positions, he's waaay far right. If you respect his far right opinions, I guess that's your problem.

All the lefties want to give him a massage because of his complete isolationist outlook he is opposed to the war in Iraq. But he makes most republicans look downright liberal!



Isolationist - As in putting America first above other nations.

Nationalist - As in putting America first above other nations.

strongly morally/religiously conservative - Yes he is a die hard Catholic but he is much more reasonable then your average evangelical that worships and prays for the end of the world.

Racist - Only to those with an ultra-PC agenda or who are out-right first and foremost lobbiests of foriegn countries and their agendas above putting America first.
LOL


OK show me where he's "more reasonable then your average evangelical"

"Buchanan opposes legalized abortion, including in cases of rape and incest, on the grounds that human life begins at conception. He calls RU-486 a human pesticide [35] and does not see a paradox between his pro-life and pro-death penalty views.He says there is a correlation between violence in society and the legal availability of abortions, comparing legalization to the downfall of Weimar Germany. As a result, he opposes Planned Parenthood, UNFPA and fetal-tissue research. Buchanan wants Congress to hold hearings on when life begins and confer "personhood" on the unborn. He wrote,"

"Buchanan says pornography is a symptom of society's displacement of Christianity. He argues that capitalism's power should not extend to such material. He referred to hardcore pornography as ? the sort of squalid, grungy stuff that, not long ago, would have had the men who produced and distributed it sent to prison for years, after being denounced from the bench as perverts"

"Buchanan supports legalized prayer in public schools. He complains that Christianity and the Ten Commandments were "expelled" from public education.[41] He also says that Congress should restrict the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court to block decisions against it.[42] He argues that Court decisions, such as those that eliminated staff-sanctioned prayer helped lead to the downfall of American public education"

"Buchanan denies that homosexuality is a civil right, calls it unhealthy and described gay male sex practices as "not only immoral, but filthy." Further, Buchanan says that public acceptance of homosexuality inevitably leads to societal decay and the collapse of the family.[45] He wrote in 1990, "With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide."

"Referring to AIDS in 1993, he said that gays "declared war upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution" and urged New York City Mayor Ed Koch and New York State Gov. Mario Cuomo cancel the Gay Pride Parade or else "be held personally responsible for the spread of the AIDS plague." Despite this sentiment, Buchanan has developed professional ties with openly gay paleolibertarian Justin Raimondo, due to their common Old Right anti-war views."

"Buchanan also takes positions against feminism. For example, in a 1983 syndicated column, he wrote that women are "simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (In 2000, he said that his sister Bay felt this statement went too far)

"In Right from the Beginning, Buchanan wrote that "The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." He does not believe in allowing women to serve in combat in the military. In Death of the West, he writes that early campaigners for women's rights such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton held social views distinctly different from the second-wave feminism of the 1960s, and implicates the latter as one of the main phenomena responsible for imperiling Western Civilization. [5]"

"Buchanan says that parents have the right to decide whether or not their children are taught Darwinism in school.[47] He calls Darwinism a dogmatic faith system that cannot withstand the burden of proof.[48] He endorses the intelligent design critique of evolutionary theory:

Science itself points to intelligent design. For most of man's existence, we did not understand the laws of gravity, the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry. But applying those laws today, we can send a rocket millions of miles and strike a distant planet, predicting impact to the minute. But does not the existence of these natural laws imply the existence of a lawmaker?[49]"


Another antibushitis infected moron...

Any other lefties ready to drool over Pat and how much sense he makes and how much they respect him? lol

If Pat was holding any office today lefties would be flinging themselves off of buildings wholesale...but since he opposes Bush on Iraq, then he is "respected". What a joke.
Maybe there are just impressed that a hard core Rightwinger actually has the balls to oppose Bush regarding Iraq. I'm sure there are others but they keep quiet because the realize the only thing that keeps the Republicans in power is the illusion of party unity.