No wonder Republicans profess to be against gays, they would have quite a power struggle amongst their own ranks.
No wonder Republicans profess to be against gays, they would have quite a power struggle amongst their own ranks.
Don Vito Corleone
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:laugh: at all the Republican haters that walked by this picture on a daily basis. :laugh:
A giant portrait of Ted Haggard, pastor of New Life Church, locate north of Colorado Springs, Colo., hangs in the world prayer center on the church's campus
A giant portrait of Ted Haggard, pastor of New Life Church, locate north of Colorado Springs, Colo., hangs in the world prayer center on the church's campus
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/haggard.allegations/index.html
He is finally outed
His wife seems pretty dumb! We even got to the forgiveness level now. Now he will ask everyone to help him cure his "immoral" horrible disease of being gay. :roll:
He is finally outed
His wife seems pretty dumb! We even got to the forgiveness level now. Now he will ask everyone to help him cure his "immoral" horrible disease of being gay. :roll:
And that statement has anything to do with Republicans how???
I feel bad for his family right now, but I think it shows something that his church still stands with him (cnn article, standing ovation). I wish more people could be like that and not push gay people into a corner. They need support. btw, someone made the comment his wife was dumb. Because its dumb she wants to follow what she believes and stick with her husband... If anything it just shows that at least she practices what she believes.
Sadly I would say that this public Christianity mega church thingi is is a disease where sin forgiveness and redemption are put on public display and everybody gets to experience traumatic and upsetting feelings all soothed over by God. People get to experience and endless loop of self feeding degradation compassion and redemption which fills up their empty lives. It looks for all the world like drug addiction and we see it over and over and over and over again. How about we shut down these clown churches or at least put a sin tax on them. Of course, if we shut them down the nuts would infect some other institution. Perhaps we should see them as sanitariums.
When he starts hypocritically abusing his position as a "moral authority" as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, an umbrella group representing more than 45,000 churches with 30 million members by preaching bigotry and hatred directed at a group of people whose only sin or crime is loving someone of the same sex while, at the same time, immersing himself in the depths of drug abuse and prostitution among the group he professes to hate, I'll worry about Mr. Haggard.
Oh... Wait a minute... He already did that! :shocked:
Exactly!!. I wonder how long it will be before they try to force their message across even harder? We all know how this horrible disease can even infect even a higher moral authority such as as poor Mr. Haggard. I can see them trying to make just being Gay illegal now. They have to protect our kids right?
There's talk of forgiveness of this guy, but I don't see it yet. Where's his sorrow at having attacked gays so wrongly for so long, his opposition to equal rights?
He's been nothing but a dishonest power grabber, and his handling of the revelation of his wrongs has added more wrongs. First he denied knowing the guy; oops, he had a phone recording that was proven Ted's voice about buying drugs. OK, he bought drugs, but no sex, referred by the hotel concierge.
Oops, the masseuse advertised only in gay sex publications and was not referred by hotels. Now he admits to 'sexual indiscretions'. This isn't someone 'coming clean', it's someone continuing their pattern of lying as much as they can get away with it.
The whole organization is itself demeaned by their own ignorant evil-doing - their anti-gay positions are based on a false opinion that gays 'choose' their orientation, and they can't realize how wrong they are even when their leader, who has every reason to choose not to be gay, is still homosexual/bisexual in orientation.
They're corrupt with power, drunk in their own propaganda that they're morally upstanding and harming innocent people in the name of their morals. It's very ugly to see bigotry with the trappings of morality.
He's been nothing but a dishonest power grabber, and his handling of the revelation of his wrongs has added more wrongs. First he denied knowing the guy; oops, he had a phone recording that was proven Ted's voice about buying drugs. OK, he bought drugs, but no sex, referred by the hotel concierge.
Oops, the masseuse advertised only in gay sex publications and was not referred by hotels. Now he admits to 'sexual indiscretions'. This isn't someone 'coming clean', it's someone continuing their pattern of lying as much as they can get away with it.
The whole organization is itself demeaned by their own ignorant evil-doing - their anti-gay positions are based on a false opinion that gays 'choose' their orientation, and they can't realize how wrong they are even when their leader, who has every reason to choose not to be gay, is still homosexual/bisexual in orientation.
They're corrupt with power, drunk in their own propaganda that they're morally upstanding and harming innocent people in the name of their morals. It's very ugly to see bigotry with the trappings of morality.
shira
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There's no such thing as a "lie detector" test. A polygraph measures several physiological characteristics while the subject answers questions. All the polygraph can do is establish that stress exists. The stress may exist because the subject is lying, but it can also exist for a million other reasons.
From Wikipedia Polygraph article
This is why polygraph results are considered inherently unreliable and why polygraph results are inadmissible in a court of law. The main "legitimate" use of polygraphy is as a "confessional" tool by the CIA, NSA, and other security organizations: If the subject believes the test is valid, he/she is more apt to spill the beans.
The forgegoing information being the case, your conclusion, "So he didn't have sex with the guy . . . " is absurd. Get a little more educated on polygraphy, and then come back and bore us some more with your tendentious posts.
"Pastor Apologizes for 'Sexual Immorality' "
"The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said.
so, yeah... looks like he did sleep with him.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/05wire-haggard.html
"The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said.
so, yeah... looks like he did sleep with him.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/05wire-haggard.html
"The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said.
Yes, nothing more repulsive and dark than fundamentalist Christianity that he's been trying to get free from all his life.
Yes, nothing more repulsive and dark than fundamentalist Christianity that he's been trying to get free from all his life.
Hillary may have been a fool for staying with Bill. They basically kept their marriage issue regarding Bill's opportunistic fling quiet during the aftermath. Their Marriage may only be a Marriage of convenience at this point. Nobody knows except them.
Haggard's wife is most likely questioning her dilemma right now also . She is probably wondering on what scale of fraud this Ted is. Her blind faith may keep her clinging for a while, but at some point she will realize that his entire life is a lie.
WhipperSnapper
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Absolutely hillarious. What was even funnier was a video showing a woman in the audience (listening to his confession) crying. I just rolled around on the floor laughing. I can just see these people saying, "We are blind sheep, who will lead us now? Who will tell us what to think?"
the people in Haggard's church do not believe in the existence of instriniscally gay people. They think gay is a choice. (An immoral choice). So they don't believe Haggard is gay. Rather, they think he is a heterosexual man who has made evil/ immoral choices to experiment with a "gay lifestyle". Haggard will be sent of to some quack therapist or psychiatrist with a view to 'curing' him of his homosexual tendencies. As long as he doesn't "come out" as a gay man, I think they will continue to support him. Of course, if Haggard acknowledged his homosexual attractions to the world by embracing a gay identity, and refused to be ashamed about his sexual orientation, the church would completely reject him and cast him out from the church.
it's kind of immature to separate or immediately file for divorce due to sexual infidelity. It takes more courage and maturity to try and work things out.
apples and oranges. there is a big difference between getting a straight bj and having a regular affair with a gay man for years while under the influence of drugs and preaching against all of the above. we all know there have been many great politicians who have had straight affairs without the hypocrisy. infidelity is morally wrong in all cases but haggard and clinton can not be compared.
Haggard needs a new job, maybe I can recruit him to train me how to lead the Sheeple.
Minus the paid male prostitute and drugs though so I may not be as fun on the pulpit.
Nothing against Prositution though, I'd make it legal, that goes for MJ too.
K1052
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I'd have to agree that this is on a different level.
Though looking at Hillary I can hardly blame Clinton for getting a few quickies in the the oval office. The man had to stay sane somehow, though he should have came clean (no pun intended) when the allegations surfaced.
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