Pastor Ted Haggard accused of having gay encounters with a male prostitute

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Termagant

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I'm surprised he hasn't pulled a Foley and blamed all this on having been molested by a priest back when he was a child.

To the person who said that this was just another Christian bashing thread: It's not. It's about hypocrisy. I don't care that he bought meth, nor do I care that he sought the services of a male prostitute. I care that this same person has a significant amount of influence in political and social circles while preaching "morality".

Even the best amongst us sin and fall from the path of righteousness. But we can repent and return to the moral straight and narrow road. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

My point is, you can talk the talk all the time and not walk the walk whatsover, and it is still OK. And hypocrisy is possible only for Democrats. It's a great concept. :D
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
You know that most people think these guys are loons at best.

but don't these nutcases basically decide who wins a presidential election? didn't karl rove work out he could win Shrub the election with just the evangelicals, even if he lost the vote of every other major group? so there must be quite a large number of these crazies out there
 

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More information will come out about him.

You just don't live a straight and narrow life and then get a hankerin for Crystal Meth!:laugh:

If it was weed it would be almost believable

 

GalvanizedYankee

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An uncommon inhalent amoungst the straight population, some gay males embrace the use of amyl nitrate or sometimes called poppers.
I will not be suprised if this drug surfaces next in this on going drama along with viagra ;)
 

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Why is it surprising that the gay community would oppose anyone who stood against them? Why should anyone pay attention to a self professed gay drug dealer? He is merely playing on the animousity that some people have for the Christian community. Is this really believable, or do those who do believe, just want to?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it surprising that the gay community would oppose anyone who stood against them? Why should anyone pay attention to a self professed gay drug dealer? He is merely playing on the animousity that some people have for the Christian community. Is this really believable, or do those who do believe, just want to?

Huh?
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it surprising that the gay community would oppose anyone who stood against them? Why should anyone pay attention to a self professed gay drug dealer? He is merely playing on the animousity that some people have for the Christian community. Is this really believable, or do those who do believe, just want to?


They have a voice print match so there is much truth in what the prostitute has to say. ;)
The hooker recorded many conversations :D This is just going to get better by the day.

Remember Jim & Tammy Baker? He sure liked young boys :) He set-up much of the satilite christian TV. He had a hard fall and now has a humble ministry in L.A.
 

Armitage

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it surprising that the gay community would oppose anyone who stood against them? Why should anyone pay attention to a self professed gay drug dealer? He is merely playing on the animousity that some people have for the Christian community. Is this really believable, or do those who do believe, just want to?


They have a voice print match so there is much truth in what the prostitute has to say. ;)
The hooker recorded many conversations :D This is just going to get better by the day.

Well that and the fact that he's already admitted to some of the accusations gives the word of this prostitute a bit of weight as well.

Remember Jim & Tammy Baker? He sure liked young boys :) He set-up much of the satilite christian TV. He had a hard fall and now has a humble ministry in L.A.

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it surprising that the gay community would oppose anyone who stood against them? Why should anyone pay attention to a self professed gay drug dealer? He is merely playing on the animousity that some people have for the Christian community. Is this really believable, or do those who do believe, just want to?

It is a sad day when some peoples heroes (whom Jesus told them not to idolize) fall back in line with the rest of us...

He is just another Rush Limbaugh.. but he probably has more integrity than Rush
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
His lies seem very Clintonesque at this point:

1. I tried pot, but I didn't inhale
2. I did not have sex with that woman (bjs aren't sex).
There it is! The last refuge when there's no reality to back up your view, dissemble and change the subject. What took you so long to drag Bill Clinton into it? :laugh:
You know that most people think these guys are loons at best.
You mean like your loser President and his loser administration? From David Kuo's "Tempting Faith"
Excerpts from David Kuo's Tempting Faith: An Inside Story of Political Seduction

Published October 16, 2006
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On how White House aides privately talked about prominent Christian leaders:

"Christian leaders, Christian media, and Christian writers, however, didn't dare question or challenge him or the White House. He wasn't a political leader to them, he was a brother in Christ?

"What they didn't get to see was what the White House thought of them. For most of the rest of the White House staff, evangelical leaders were people to be tolerated, not people who were truly welcomed. No group was more eye-rolling about Christians than the political affairs shop. They knew "the nuts" were politically invaluable, but that was the extent of their usefulness?

"Political Affairs was hardly alone. There wasn't a week that went by that I didn't hear someone in middle- to senior-levels making some comment or another about how annoying the Christians were or how tiresome they were, or how "handling" them took so much time.

"National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as 'ridiculous,' 'out of control,' and just plain 'goofy.' The leaders spent much time lauding the president, but they were never shrewd enough to do what Billy Graham had done three decades before, to wonder whether they were being used. They were." (pp. 229-230)
I guess it just depends on what the meaning of "these nuts," "ridiculous," "out of control," and "just plain goofy" is. :laugh:
 

senseamp

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The sad thing is that these people are deciding what sex ed our children get, and what contraception the women have access too.
 

Seekermeister

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it surprising that the gay community would oppose anyone who stood against them? Why should anyone pay attention to a self professed gay drug dealer? He is merely playing on the animousity that some people have for the Christian community. Is this really believable, or do those who do believe, just want to?

It is a sad day when some peoples heroes (whom Jesus told them not to idolize) fall back in line with the rest of us...

He is just another Rush Limbaugh.. but he probably has more integrity than Rush
What is sad is when someone attributes something to someone else that is not true. Until I heard about this on TV, I had never heard of the man, so it is not possible tlhat I idolized him in any fashion. And I need no instruction about what Jesus or the Scriptures teaches.
 

Seekermeister

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Originally posted by: Armitage
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it surprising that the gay community would oppose anyone who stood against them? Why should anyone pay attention to a self professed gay drug dealer? He is merely playing on the animousity that some people have for the Christian community. Is this really believable, or do those who do believe, just want to?
They have a voice print match so there is much truth in what the prostitute has to say.
The hooker recorded many conversations This is just going to get better by the day.


Well that and the fact that he's already admitted to some of the accusations gives the word of this prostitute a bit of weight as well.

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Remember Jim & Tammy Baker? He sure liked young boys He set-up much of the satilite christian TV. He had a hard fall and now has a humble ministry in L.A.
According to what I heard on TV, he denied using the drugs, though he apparently did buy them. Yes, I know that sounds like something that Clinton had said. But, it is possible that a person might deal with a drug dealer for some reason other than personal usage. In any case, using drugs is not in the same catagory as homosexuality.
 

Armitage

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: johnnobts
His lies seem very Clintonesque at this point:

1. I tried pot, but I didn't inhale
2. I did not have sex with that woman (bjs aren't sex).
There it is! The last refuge when there's no reality to back up your view, dissemble and change the subject. What took you so long to drag Bill Clinton into it? :laugh:
You know that most people think these guys are loons at best.
You mean like your loser President and his loser administration? From David Kuo's "Tempting Faith"

*My* loser president?
Where have I expressed any political opinion in this thread? That Billy Graham and company are a bunch of loons has plenty of adherents across the political spectrum.

Excerpts from David Kuo's Tempting Faith: An Inside Story of Political Seduction

Published October 16, 2006
.
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On how White House aides privately talked about prominent Christian leaders:

"Christian leaders, Christian media, and Christian writers, however, didn't dare question or challenge him or the White House. He wasn't a political leader to them, he was a brother in Christ?

"What they didn't get to see was what the White House thought of them. For most of the rest of the White House staff, evangelical leaders were people to be tolerated, not people who were truly welcomed. No group was more eye-rolling about Christians than the political affairs shop. They knew "the nuts" were politically invaluable, but that was the extent of their usefulness?

"Political Affairs was hardly alone. There wasn't a week that went by that I didn't hear someone in middle- to senior-levels making some comment or another about how annoying the Christians were or how tiresome they were, or how "handling" them took so much time.

"National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as 'ridiculous,' 'out of control,' and just plain 'goofy.' The leaders spent much time lauding the president, but they were never shrewd enough to do what Billy Graham had done three decades before, to wonder whether they were being used. They were." (pp. 229-230)
I guess it just depends on what the meaning of "these nuts," "ridiculous," "out of control," and "just plain goofy" is. :laugh:

 
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it surprising that the gay community would oppose anyone who stood against them? Why should anyone pay attention to a self professed gay drug dealer? He is merely playing on the animousity that some people have for the Christian community. Is this really believable, or do those who do believe, just want to?

Huh?

It's OK, he's from la-la land.
 

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
An uncommon inhalent amoungst the straight population, some gay males embrace the use of amyl nitrate or sometimes called poppers.
I will not be suprised if this drug surfaces next in this on going drama along with viagra ;)


... don't forget the GHB.:wine:
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Dean
More information will come out about him.

You just don't live a straight and narrow life and then get a hankerin for Crystal Meth!:laugh:

If it was weed it would be almost believable

No kidding. Maybe he could have started out by buying some pot and "not smoking it."
 

Seekermeister

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Remember Jim & Tammy Baker? He sure liked young boys He set-up much of the satilite christian TV. He had a hard fall and now has a humble ministry in L.A.
I'm not sure who said this, because I found it in a quote with no name, but I do remember the Jim and Tammy Baker fiasco, but I do not remember anything regarding young boys...only matters of money. Being that my memory is not as good as it once was, I did a little Googling, and found nothing. If you have something on this, then please post a link.

EDIT: And while he did broadcast on the PTL Club, as far as I know, he had nothing to do with establishing the Christian TV system, either satellite or otherwise. The pair who did do this, more than any other is Paul and Jan Crouch.
 

ProfJohn

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Did not read all 8 pages, only the last few. But I did not see mention of this in any posts.

It looks like the guy may have been lying in his tales of homosexual sex with the good pastor link
Haggard also commented on a polygraph test administrator's finding that Jones' answers to questions about sex with Haggard had been "deceptive" during a lie-detector test Friday.
"We're so grateful that he failed a polygraph test this morning, my accuser did," Haggard told 9News. Jones was not asked about drugs during the test.

So he didn?t have sex with the guy, which the pastor still denies. Of course still leaves the charges of drugs and all that out there. But the pastor has an excuse for that too? I bought the drugs, but I didn?t use them. :roll:
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Did not read all 8 pages, only the last few. But I did not see mention of this in any posts.

It looks like the guy may have been lying in his tales of homosexual sex with the good pastor link
Haggard also commented on a polygraph test administrator's finding that Jones' answers to questions about sex with Haggard had been "deceptive" during a lie-detector test Friday.
"We're so grateful that he failed a polygraph test this morning, my accuser did," Haggard told 9News. Jones was not asked about drugs during the test.

So he didn?t have sex with the guy, which the pastor still denies. Of course still leaves the charges of drugs and all that out there. But the pastor has an excuse for that too? I bought the drugs, but I didn?t use them. :roll:

Even the Polygraph experts wouldn/t makke that claim. Polygraphs are not reliable.
 

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Media Bias in Haggard Case (and Elsewhere): Ugly and Undeniable
Posted by: Michael Medved at 7:26 PM

Today?s media obsession involves the apparently disgusting behavior of one Ted Haggard, who just resigned as President of the National Association of Evangelicals. Four days before an election, we don?t talk about the startling new unemployment figures (the best in five years!) or progress against North Korea (winning concessions no one expected). Instead, we?re treated to excruciating detail about a pastor from a Colorado Springs mega-church who admits that he purchased methamphetamines and received massages from a gay prostitute.


Isn?t the partisan agenda utterly transparent in the intense attention focused on this story? Very few Americans had ever heard of Haggard before the scandal broke yesterday; he is in no sense a household name. He is not a candidate for any public office, nor has he played an especially visible role in this election. Had these charges been made against a liberal pastor, or an atheist activist of any stripe, it?s hard to believe that cable news networks would cover the story as if it were deeply significant?


The purpose of the Haggard focus is to remind everyone of Mark Foley, the media ?Golden Oldie? from a few weeks ago. The cherished theme ? that Republicans and conservatives only pretend to honor morality, but actually behave horribly in their private lives ? gets big time re-enforcement from Haggard?s heinousness. Just as the Foley Fiasco managed to stop Republican momentum a month ago, so the tawdry Ted-stuff is supposed to stop the current surge toward the GOP in key races across the country?


It may work, alas, even though the media bias emerges as ugly and undeniable.


Two other recent examples turned up in two recent headlines in USA TODAY, a newspaper that generally tries to be more impartial than many of its shamelessly leftist counterparts.


On Monday, October 30th, USA TODAY ran the following headline: MINORITY ENROLLMENT IN COLLEGE STILL LAGGING, but the substance of the article told a totally different story: minority enrollment rose by 50.7% between 1993 and 2003, while white enrollment went up only 3.4%. Every minority group saw huge gains --- with Hispanic enrollment up by a staggering 70%, while Native American students at four year institutions increased by 50%, signaling a ?major shift.? Overall, 47.3% of white high school graduates attend college, vs. 41.1% of black high school graduates ? a remarkable and encouraging closing of the once huge racial gap. Rather than suggesting that minority college attendance was ?still lagging,? the accurate headline would have declared: MINORITY ENROLLMENT IN COLLEGE SURGING.


Another headline similarly distorted the contents of a major article. On November 1, the Life Section of USA TODAY proclaimed: ?MAINLINE PULLS IN PROTESTANTS; Pews are Filling Up in Some Churches.? I ended up reading the whole piece because it looked like a reversal of a long-standing trend in which the only gains in Protestant church membership involved Evangelical, not Mainline denominations. But rather than a shift in that trend, the numbers in the article itself actually confirmed the Evangelical increases, and the simultaneous declines for Mainline denominations. United Methodist Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (very much considered a Mainline, moderate-liberal denomination, despite its name), Presbyterian Church USA, Episcopal Church, Disciples of Christ, and the ultra liberal United Church of Christ ALL lost members between 1995 and 3004. Meanwhile, Southern Baptist Convention, the Mormons, the Roman Catholic Church, and the Assemblies of God all gained membership in the same time period. In other words, far from showing that ?MAINLINE PULLS IN PROTESTANTS,? a more accurate headline would have declared, ?MAINLINE LOSING MEMBERS; while Evangelicals and others continue to grow.?


What, precisely, is the agenda here? It?s the same point of view that leads to the heavy Haggard focus: anything to make Evangelicals and religious conservatives look hypocritical or irrelevant. And the headline over ?lagging? minority enrollment when that enrollment actually surged, goes along with the basic script that injustice has only gotten worse under Bush, and that America remains a bigoted, unfair nation that needs sweeping new government programs to help us achieve equality.


Media bias remains a constant problem in mainstream publications and TV networks but in the run-up to a crucial election it becomes especially notable and destructive.

 

dahunan

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^^^^^^^^^^^ HYPERPARTISAN MEGA-PASTOR from a MEGA-CHURCH THAT HELPS SET POLICY IN Washington DC BUYING METHAMPHETAMINES and GETTING BODYRUBS from gay men .. ISN't NEWS?

In God We MothaFvckn Trust HomeBoy -- right?

 

CellarDoor

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Media Bias in Haggard Case (and Elsewhere): Ugly and Undeniable
Posted by: Michael Medved at 7:26 PM

Today?s media obsession involves the apparently disgusting behavior of one Ted Haggard, who just resigned as President of the National Association of Evangelicals. Four days before an election, we don?t talk about the startling new unemployment figures (the best in five years!) or progress against North Korea (winning concessions no one expected). Instead, we?re treated to excruciating detail about a pastor from a Colorado Springs mega-church who admits that he purchased methamphetamines and received massages from a gay prostitute.


Isn?t the partisan agenda utterly transparent in the intense attention focused on this story? Very few Americans had ever heard of Haggard before the scandal broke yesterday; he is in no sense a household name. He is not a candidate for any public office, nor has he played an especially visible role in this election. Had these charges been made against a liberal pastor, or an atheist activist of any stripe, it?s hard to believe that cable news networks would cover the story as if it were deeply significant?


The purpose of the Haggard focus is to remind everyone of Mark Foley, the media ?Golden Oldie? from a few weeks ago. The cherished theme ? that Republicans and conservatives only pretend to honor morality, but actually behave horribly in their private lives ? gets big time re-enforcement from Haggard?s heinousness. Just as the Foley Fiasco managed to stop Republican momentum a month ago, so the tawdry Ted-stuff is supposed to stop the current surge toward the GOP in key races across the country?


It may work, alas, even though the media bias emerges as ugly and undeniable.


Two other recent examples turned up in two recent headlines in USA TODAY, a newspaper that generally tries to be more impartial than many of its shamelessly leftist counterparts.


On Monday, October 30th, USA TODAY ran the following headline: MINORITY ENROLLMENT IN COLLEGE STILL LAGGING, but the substance of the article told a totally different story: minority enrollment rose by 50.7% between 1993 and 2003, while white enrollment went up only 3.4%. Every minority group saw huge gains --- with Hispanic enrollment up by a staggering 70%, while Native American students at four year institutions increased by 50%, signaling a ?major shift.? Overall, 47.3% of white high school graduates attend college, vs. 41.1% of black high school graduates ? a remarkable and encouraging closing of the once huge racial gap. Rather than suggesting that minority college attendance was ?still lagging,? the accurate headline would have declared: MINORITY ENROLLMENT IN COLLEGE SURGING.


Another headline similarly distorted the contents of a major article. On November 1, the Life Section of USA TODAY proclaimed: ?MAINLINE PULLS IN PROTESTANTS; Pews are Filling Up in Some Churches.? I ended up reading the whole piece because it looked like a reversal of a long-standing trend in which the only gains in Protestant church membership involved Evangelical, not Mainline denominations. But rather than a shift in that trend, the numbers in the article itself actually confirmed the Evangelical increases, and the simultaneous declines for Mainline denominations. United Methodist Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (very much considered a Mainline, moderate-liberal denomination, despite its name), Presbyterian Church USA, Episcopal Church, Disciples of Christ, and the ultra liberal United Church of Christ ALL lost members between 1995 and 3004. Meanwhile, Southern Baptist Convention, the Mormons, the Roman Catholic Church, and the Assemblies of God all gained membership in the same time period. In other words, far from showing that ?MAINLINE PULLS IN PROTESTANTS,? a more accurate headline would have declared, ?MAINLINE LOSING MEMBERS; while Evangelicals and others continue to grow.?


What, precisely, is the agenda here? It?s the same point of view that leads to the heavy Haggard focus: anything to make Evangelicals and religious conservatives look hypocritical or irrelevant. And the headline over ?lagging? minority enrollment when that enrollment actually surged, goes along with the basic script that injustice has only gotten worse under Bush, and that America remains a bigoted, unfair nation that needs sweeping new government programs to help us achieve equality.


Media bias remains a constant problem in mainstream publications and TV networks but in the run-up to a crucial election it becomes especially notable and destructive.

Perhaps you should be thankful for this one. If this story didn't pop up, the stories on the front pages would be the 8 U.S soldiers killed in Iraq, the 56 dead Iraqi bodies found due to sectarian violence, and the Republican congressmen putting up the information about building a nuclear bomb.

In addition, the media ran with the Kerry story for 3 consecutive days (although it was Kerry's fault it lasted a 3rd day). If they were so biased they could've thrown the story under the bus. Regardless, the whole thing was taken out of context and was definitely not the most important story of the day. It's not as important as this story for sure. I have no idea what you are complaining about.