Pasco on edge: 'We don't want another Ferguson here'

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http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025688052_shootingpascoxml.html

Video of the incident, thank you cirrocco:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-0uqFTBclo

I HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE GOOD PARTS..


Pasco on edge: ‘We don’t want another Ferguson here’

The fatal shooting of a rock-throwing man by Pasco police on Tuesday on a busy downtown street has drawn international attention and has local officials on edge.

By Mike Carter and Erik Lacitis
Seattle Times staff reporters

PASCO — The Franklin County coroner is considering convening a rare inquest jury to look into the shooting death of a homeless man by Pasco police earlier this week.

Coroner Dan Blasdel said controversy over the shooting of 35-year-old Antonio Zambrano-Montes by a trio of officers would justify a coroner’s inquest, in which a jury is presented evidence of the shooting and decides whether the officers were justified in their use of deadly force.

“We don’t want another Ferguson here in Pasco,” he said, referring to the suburb of St. Louis, where the shooting of an unarmed African-American teenager by police in August sparked weeks of riots.

The shooting of Zambrano-Montes, which occurred Tuesday in front of dozens of bystanders at one of the city’s busiest intersections, has drawn sharp criticism from Mexican authorities, some witnesses and members of Zambrano-Montes’ family.

Video of the incident shows the officers firing two volleys of shots at a retreating Zambrano-Montes, who had been acting bizarrely and was throwing rocks at cars and the officers, according to police. Two of the officers were hit with rocks and were treated at the scene by medics, said Pasco Police Chief Bob Metzger. The Police Department declined to describe the extent of the officers’ injuries.

Zambrano-Montes, an immigrant from Michoacán, Mexico, worked as a farm laborer and had been in the Pasco area for about a decade, according to family members.

Witnesses say the officers — identified as Ryan Flanagan, Adam Wright and Adrian Alaniz — fired as many as 13 rounds.

Blasdel said an autopsy was scheduled for Friday.

Mexico’s Foreign Relations Department on Thursday expressed “deep condemnation” of the shooting, calling it one of the “events in which unwarranted use has been made of lethal force.” The department said the Mexican Consul in Seattle “sent a message of protest to the Pasco chief of police ... requesting information on the disciplinary measures that could eventually be imposed on the police officers involved in the incident.”

Gov. Jay Inslee said Thursday his staff has been in touch with Pasco officials about the need for a full assessment of the shooting.

“We are going to need to get to the bottom of understanding the circumstances of this,” he said.

The shooting is being investigated by a multiagency Tri-City Special Investigations Unit (SIU) made up of commanders and detectives from surrounding agencies. Kennewick Police Sgt. Ken Lattin, a spokesman for the SIU, said a briefing is scheduled for Friday, but that the investigation itself could take several weeks.

Blasdel said he will not formally decide whether to convene a coroner’s inquest until the SIU investigation is complete.

“But what I’m thinking is that it is a public process and considering the amount of controversy right now, I think being transparent is important,” he said. “The case would be considered by jurors from the community.”

More than 100 people gathered outside City Hall on Wednesday night, some carrying signs saying “Don’t Shoot” and “Use Your Training, Not Your Gun!” A small memorial has sprung up on the sidewalk where Zambrano-Montes died.

The issue of officer training was central to a federal civil-rights lawsuit the city settled for $100,000 two years ago that involved one of the three officers involved in Tuesday’s shooting.

The lawsuit, filed in 2012, named Flanagan and another Pasco officer and alleged they were inadequately trained in the use of force and how to respond to street confrontations.

It claimed that Flanagan and the other officer stopped a 30-year-old woman, Maria Davila-Marquez, while responding to a complaint of a disturbance outside a home.

Her attorney said that although she did not match a description of a teenage suspect, the officers stopped Davila-Marquez and then arrested her when she asked for an interpreter because she spoke little English.

“The only commonality was that my client was a woman and a Latina,” Davila-Marquez’s Yakima lawyer, Vito de la Cruz, told The Seattle Times on Thursday.

De la Cruz said the officers “ridiculed her,” then handcuffed her and bent her over the hood of a patrol car, pressing her cheek onto the scorching hot metal. Davila-Marquez suffered second-degree burns on her face as a result and is scarred, he said.

The officers held her, he said, until a witness to the earlier disturbance came by and told the officers they had the wrong woman. Although Davila-Marquez was released, the officers cited her for hindering police. Those charges were dismissed, de la Cruz said.

Neither officer was disciplined, he said.

“I was horrified when I saw that video,” de la Cruz said of Tuesday’s shooting. “But I have to say when I heard that Flanagan was involved, I was not surprised.”

As with his client, he said, it appeared to him that the force used in Tuesday’s shooting “was excessive and unwarranted

Zambrano-Montes’ family met with Metzger, the police chief, on Thursday. Later, his aunt, Angela Zambrano, sat in Vinny’s Bakery and Cafe, where outside a makeshift memorial of candles and flowers in the shape of a cross marked where her nephew died. She again watched the shaky cellphone video that shows him being shot to death.

“Three police officers against one man throwing a rock?” she said, tears welling. “This was murder in cold blood.”

Sometimes using an interpreter, sometimes speaking in English, she said she had known Antonio Zambrano-Montes all her life.

She said the police chief told the family he was sorry about what had happened.

Zambrano grimaced when asked whether the meeting helped. She shook her head.

“Just because they’re police officers they don’t commit mistakes? We all commit mistakes,” she said. “We only want justice for these police officers that killed him.”

She acknowledged that Zambrano-Montes had been in trouble with the law, including a conviction last year for assaulting a police officer. He had been in jail over the weekend for failing to pay his fine and had gotten out on Monday.

“At this moment, it doesn’t matter,” said Fabian Ubay, who interpreted for her.

Zambrano said, “Nobody has a right to take a life away, but God.”

Ubay said a peaceful protest is planned for Saturday.

The shooting has gained national attention, mostly due to a graphic cellphone video posted on YouTube, where it has been viewed more than 300,000 times.

It was recorded by Dario Infante Zuniga, 21, a college student who works at an auto-parts shop. He was at a stoplight near the popular Fiesta Foods supermarket when he said he saw what looked like a man throwing rocks at a police officer. Other officers arrived and Zuniga kept filming as police first tried to subdue Zambrano-Montes with a Taser, then resorted to their guns.

“I witnessed somebody’s life end right before me,” said Zuniga, who said he was shaken up. He thinks the shooting was unnecessary.

“I hope my video helps,” said Zuniga. “They wrongfully shot the man.”

Mike Carter: 206-464-3706 or mcarter@seattletimes.com. Twitter @stimesmcarter.

Seattle Times staff reporter Joseph O’Sullivan and news researcher Miyoko Wolf contributed to this story, which includes information from The Associated Press.

Erik Lacitis reported from Pasco.
 
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inachu

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It goes for both sides. No empathy leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
 

dainthomas

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All the radiation from Hanford makes people in Tri-cities bonkers. Would never live there.
 

kage69

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Those were some trigger happy shitheads for sure, no argument here.

I'm aware rocks can kill, but that was just ridiculous. Badges, guns, there's the cell boys.
 

compuwiz1

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I live here.(Pasco) This is a huge deal and there are many divided on the subject. There is no rioting and people are civil. These are Whites and Mexicans, mostly here. A completely different culture and attitude, compared to Ferguson. Blacks in Ferguson behaved like animals. Again, just a different culture here. We are a smaller community and I'm pretty confident the outcome will be that those officers were wrong, but we're not going to burn our property down and loot, create more pain and steal from each other because of it. We're going to allow the order of law to prevail. Are we pissed? Yes!

We won't have the likes of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, who won't let a tragedy go to waste, especially if it results in personal gain and fuels racial tensions. We're not like that around here and don't condone these kinds of people here.
 
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feralkid

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I live here.(Pasco) This is a huge deal and there are many divided on the subject. There is no rioting and people are civil. These are Whites and Mexicans, mostly here. A completely different culture and attitude, compared to Ferguson. Blacks in Ferguson behaved like animals. Again, just a different culture here. We are a smaller community and I'm pretty confident the outcome will be that those officers were wrong, but we're not going to burn our property down and loot, create more pain and steal from each other because of it. We're going to allow the order of law to prevail. Are we pissed? Yes!

We won't have the likes of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, who won't let a tragedy go to waste, especially if it results in personal gain and fuels racial tensions. We're not like that around here and don't condone these kinds of people here.

Do you have lamp posts there?




Could you possibly go screw yourself to one, you racist fuck?
 

Matt1970

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Those were some trigger happy shitheads for sure, no argument here.

I'm aware rocks can kill, but that was just ridiculous. Badges, guns, there's the cell boys.

He stopped. He didn't have a gun in is hands. Nobody could tackle him or maybe use a taser?
 

compuwiz1

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Do you have lamp posts there?




Could you possibly go screw yourself to one, you racist fuck?

How you coming up with that? Just stating facts. No need to be an ass. I call people like Al and Jesse out for the racists they are, then you call me a racist? Brilliant! Get off your P.C. high horse.
 
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feralkid

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How you coming up with that? Just stating facts. No need to be an ass. I call people like Al and Jesse out for the racists they are, then you call me a racist? Brilliant! Get off your P.C. high horse.


Let me update; clueless racist (the worst kind).
 

Double Trouble

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Try again. Tasing is also not the only less than lethal weapon they have.

I'm not sure I know what you mean with "try again". I just said I've read they tried tasing first. Is that not the case?

I assume they also have pepper spray and batons as non-lethal alternatives, but I don't know if that was viable or not.
 

BoomerD

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I live here.(Pasco) This is a huge deal and there are many divided on the subject. There is no rioting and people are civil. These are Whites and Mexicans, mostly here. A completely different culture and attitude, compared to Ferguson. Blacks in Ferguson behaved like animals. Again, just a different culture here. We are a smaller community and I'm pretty confident the outcome will be that those officers were wrong, but we're not going to burn our property down and loot, create more pain and steal from each other because of it. We're going to allow the order of law to prevail. Are we pissed? Yes!

We won't have the likes of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, who won't let a tragedy go to waste, especially if it results in personal gain and fuels racial tensions. We're not like that around here and don't condone these kinds of people here.

It might be better NOW, but in the 60's and early 70's, race relations in the Tri-Cities wasn't too good. Blacks/Whites, Blacks/Mexicans...never got as bad as Watts or Detroit, but it was pretty bad. Hell, IIRC, Blacks were prohibited from crossing into Kennewick at night...and worse.

I lived just north of Pasco in the late 70's...and worked at Hanford. There were still parts of the city where a white person wasn't welcome...especially after dark.

Anyway...it appears the police have a history with the guy they shot. It's not like they killed some "model citizen" at random...

"Zambrano-Montes was arrested just last year for assaulting a police officer and attempting to take his gun while allegedly high on meth.

His family members attempting to turn him into the next Michael Brown describe Zambrano-Montes as “a kind person, family-oriented,” and “hardworking.”

Did he deserve to die? Perhaps not...but neither did he have the right to continue pelting the cops and citizens with rocks...and the cops have a DUTY to control the situation and prevent him from hurting other people and stop him from damaging the property of others.

I see reports where the family is going to sue for $25 Million...and are lamenting the fact that the cops only spoke to him in English...not Spanish. I'm sorry, if you come to this country, it's on YOU to learn English, it's NOT on us to learn YOUR language.

It's an ugly situation...one that's only going to get worse in Pasco...at least for a while.


By the way...why does this require a separate thread? This SHOULD be part of the original thread on the shooting.
 

kage69

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It's not just the "I want to shoot someone" notion this incident reeks of, I keep coming back to how insanely unaware those cops were, that might have one of the worst cases of tunnel vision I've ever witnessed. Once they had an aggressive suspect in their sights, situational awareness was out the window for every one of them. Those assholes were laying down hate with no apparent concern for the multitude of civilians surrounding them. And despite the suspect displaying erratic behavior (possible mental condition or drugs)not being able to communicate in English (which is bullshit, I agree) and being outnumbered by the cops, their level of response options were limited to "Yell" and "Shoot"


An officer friend of mine serving in Pensacola, FL once had to deal with a situation similar, but in his case he was alone and the suspect was a large Jamaican guy who had maybe 6" and 80lbs on him. My bud is ex-Army, and at the time of this incident had roughly 16 years of Isshinryu karate and almost as much Daito ryu aikijutsu to his credit. Twice he could have shot the guy, but the suspicion of mental illness was enough to make my friend tangle with this guy when he attacked instead of opening fire. The Jamaican tried to stab him in the chest with a sharpened screwdriver, but instead my bud took it in the left forearm, which resulted in the perp being abruptly dropped, then having his head pinned to the ground with a knee. Mike, the cop, took a lot of shit for that, but as far as I know always stood by his decision that he'd rather get stabbed in the arm than kill someone who isn't 'completely at the wheel.'

That's the kind of restraint cops need to have, and if a good ol boy from the panhandle can pull it off, so can others.
 
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Lattin, the spokesman for a group of outside police agencies investigating the shooting, appealed for calm.

"Our constitution allows people to gather and protest. That is perfectly OK," Lattin said of a march planned for Saturday. "Be respectful of others, their person, their property."

Witnesses have said the man was running away when police fired. Some people who saw the shooting at a busy intersection videotaped the confrontation.

Franklin County Coroner Dan Blasdel told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday night that he's decided to order an inquest, which would be open to the public, in hopes of calming "some of the fears and outrage of the community."

While an inquest won't proceed until police finish gathering evidence and witness statements, "it's going to make this whole investigation transparent," Blasdel said. Also needed will be pathology and toxicology reports expected to take six to eight weeks.


More than half the residents of this agricultural city of 68,000 are Hispanic. Blasdel said he hopes to have Hispanics represent at least half of the six-person panel.

"The main thing is we don't want another Ferguson in Pasco," he said, referring to the unrest that followed the Aug. 9 killing of an unarmed black man in Ferguson, Missouri, and a grand jury's decision not to indict the white officer who shot him.
This
 

JEDIYoda

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Why could the Police not waited or moved out of the way!! Move and deal with him in a non - lethal way....
Why do Polie have to use lethal means when its quite obvious they could have just moved and allowed the guy to do what he was doing......seems like a wasted life....
 

JEDIYoda

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An officer friend of mine serving in Pensacola, FL once had to deal with a situation similar, but in his case he was alone and the suspect was a large Jamaican guy who had maybe 6" and 80lbs on him. My bud is ex-Army, and at the time of this incident had roughly 16 years of Isshinryu karate and almost as much Daito ryu aikijutsu to his credit. Twice he could have shot the guy, but the suspicion of mental illness was enough to make my friend tangle with this guy when he attacked instead of opening fire. The Jamaican tried to stab him in the chest with a sharpened screwdriver, but instead my bud took it in the left forearm, which resulted in the perp being abruptly dropped, then having his head pinned to the ground with a knee. Mike, the cop, took a lot of shit for that, but as far as I know always stood by his decision that he'd rather get stabbed in the arm than kill someone who isn't 'completely at the wheel.'

That's the kind of restraint cops need to have, and if a good ol boy from the panhandle can pull it off, so can others.
That`s the way things should be!! Too often they get escalated to shoot and ask later!!
Your friend is a good cop -- one of the good guys!!
 

mizzou

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That`s the way things should be!! Too often they get escalated to shoot and ask later!!
Your friend is a good cop -- one of the good guys!!

those are the vast majority of stories, where a cop made a decision and it turned out really well for everyone.

You don't hear about them, because it doesn't fuel outrage and $$$$.

We are a country driven by irrational fear and hate. These stories and the shit people post in them is just solidifying that fact. We will act on the miniscule chance next near to nothing, and ignore reality.
 

Double Trouble

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Why could the Police not waited or moved out of the way!! Move and deal with him in a non - lethal way....

I don't understand this line of thinking. Why should the police risk injury to innocent bystanders and themselves to make sure some aggressive crazy guy doesn't lose his life? I'd much rather see the crazy guy get shot than have others needlessly injured.

Why do Polie have to use lethal means when its quite obvious they could have just moved and allowed the guy to do what he was doing......seems like a wasted life....

Allow the guy to do what he was doing? I think not.
 

oobydoobydoo

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I don't understand this line of thinking. Why should the police risk injury to innocent bystanders and themselves to make sure some aggressive crazy guy doesn't lose his life? I'd much rather see the crazy guy get shot than have others needlessly injured.

Because it's their fucking job you imbecile. It's part of the job description that you are to put yourself in danger. Why do we pay these officers, who have zero education and zero skills, 60-80k salaries after a single year? It's supposed to be dangerous, otherwise these fat porkers would be flipping burgers or waiting tables, they aren't smart people.


Look at the idiots like you and Mizzou.
 

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On a serious note, there is the issue of professionalism here, which a goodly number of the police and their supporters seem to not understand. It seems that more than a few of these police shootings occur after the officer violated policy or procedure intended to keep them out of a dangerous situation in the first place. If, for example, you violate policy by standing in front of the suspect's running vehicle, and you have to shoot because the suspect tried to run you down, then you may have acted in self-defense, but you still made a professional error as a police officer and there should be professional consequences.
This is how the rest of the big boy work world operates. The only reason the police don't is because they have unions.