"Partial Birth' Abortion Ban Sought Again"

[Gooberlx2]

Link

My thoughts are pretty much summed up by this:

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., countered that Congress has no business intruding on a decision between a woman and her doctor.

I worry that if something like this passes then it opens a doorway for the religious-right to try to (and successfully) ban all abortions.

 

[Johnnie]

this needs to be banned.....killing is wrong.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Johnnie
this needs to be banned.....killing is wrong.

I agree. Something is wrong with you if fears of the "religious right" cloud your judgement of right and wrong.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Johnnie
this needs to be banned.....killing is wrong.

Should war and the death penalty also be banned?

 

[Jimbo]

"Partial Birth' Abortion is a barbarec practice.

I hope it is banned.

 

[wfbberzerker]

dont mind me... im just setting up my lawn chair to watch the fireworks...

*puts on firefighter outfit*

 

[Howard]

I forget the person who said this... but it went something like this: Those that can create life can also take it away?

 

[jaeger66]

Eh, nothing to see here. The religious loonies will lose in the Supreme Court just like they did last time.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Johnnie
this needs to be banned.....killing is wrong.

Should war and the death penalty also be banned?

If you had a choice, would you eliminate war?

...in this situation, it's the life of a child -- one who cannot defend him or herself. There's basically a war on unborn children..some are fighting to protect them, and others are happily killing them. I'm actually suprised how many posters in this thread stood up for the pro-life people..

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Johnnie
this needs to be banned.....killing is wrong.

I agree. Something is wrong with you if fears of the "religious right" cloud your judgement of right and wrong.

Well, it depends on when you feel cognitive life actually begins. I personally don't feel it begins until after birth.

 

[HendrixFan]

"Partial birth abortion" is a non-issue. Its sand being thrown in people's faces.

Partial birth abortions are only allowed when the mother's life is in danger. It becomes a medical issue really quick. You cant go to a doctor's office and sign up for one, it doesnt work like that. Though pro-lifers would have you believe that is the case.

In fact, nearly all states wont even allow abortions beyond the first trimester, claiming the state has a "vested interest" in the child's welfare. Essentially the same claim made by enviromentalists and conservation of land.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
"Partial birth abortion" is a non-issue. Its sand being thrown in people's faces.

Partial birth abortions are only allowed when the mother's life is in danger. It becomes a medical issue really quick. You cant go to a doctor's office and sign up for one, it doesnt work like that. Though pro-lifers would have you believe that is the case.

In fact, nearly all states wont even allow abortions beyond the first trimester, claiming the state has a "vested interest" in the child's welfare. Essentially the same claim made by enviromentalists and conservation of land.

This, I understand. But it does worry me that a ban would open doors that ought to stay closed.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Johnnie
this needs to be banned.....killing is wrong.

I agree. Something is wrong with you if fears of the "religious right" cloud your judgement of right and wrong.

Well, it depends on when you feel cognitive life actually begins. I personally don't feel it begins until after birth.

Why is that? Do you believe in some kind of "breath of life" bullsh!t?

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: jaeger66
Eh, nothing to see here. The religious loonies will lose in the Supreme Court just like they did last time.

They have to do something while abortion doctors are out of season.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Johnnie
this needs to be banned.....killing is wrong.

I agree. Something is wrong with you if fears of the "religious right" cloud your judgement of right and wrong.

Well, it depends on when you feel cognitive life actually begins. I personally don't feel it begins until after birth.

So, a baby born four weeks premature is more human than one which is two weeks before a 'mature' birth?

 

[SuperTool]

Does it really matter if they kill the fetus in utero, and then pull it out or if it's head pops out and then its killed?
Seems to me like much to do about nothing.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
"Partial birth abortion" is a non-issue. Its sand being thrown in people's faces.

Partial birth abortions are only allowed when the mother's life is in danger. It becomes a medical issue really quick. You cant go to a doctor's office and sign up for one, it doesnt work like that. Though pro-lifers would have you believe that is the case.

In fact, nearly all states wont even allow abortions beyond the first trimester, claiming the state has a "vested interest" in the child's welfare. Essentially the same claim made by enviromentalists and conservation of land.

This, I understand. But it does worry me that a ban would open doors that ought to stay closed.

Well, ideally our legal system would take care of that. While things dont always work as they should with our legal system, I think an issue as "large" as abortion will get the care that it deserves.

The Supreme Court has upheld partial birth abortions only if the mother's life is in danger, in which case the doctor and mother are able to decide the course of action. Anything beyond that isnt supported by the Supreme Court's decision, nor do I feel it would ever be.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: CadetLee


So, a baby born four weeks premature is more human than one which is two weeks before a 'mature' birth?

Depends. IMO, any fetus is fair game to be aborted for any reason, or no reason whatsoever, if it can't sustain life outside the mother. Abortions beyond that time are already illegal except to save the mother's life, so the issue here is whether women should be forced to give birth at the expense of their own lives. If you think they should, you're an ass.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Johnnie
this needs to be banned.....killing is wrong.

I agree. Something is wrong with you if fears of the "religious right" cloud your judgement of right and wrong.

Well, it depends on when you feel cognitive life actually begins. I personally don't feel it begins until after birth.

Why is that? Do you believe in some kind of "breath of life" bullsh!t?

No, it's just my opinion. I feel that while a child in the womb has some motor skills, reflexes and instincts, I don't feel that it has cognitive ability; I don't believe that it's "learning" or "thinking". Some would say that putting music to the womb, or something similar, may help increase the chances of being more intelligent (I've heard this argument), I believe it could simply be a stimulus for more neural development, but that doesn't mean the fetus "thinks".

 

[dahunan]

I am not against "early" abortions....

Will an abortion supporter please answer a question for me....?>

Should a woman be allowed to kill (abort) the baby on day 269? If she is allowed to kill (abort) the baby on that day then what is wrong with giving birth and snatching the baby from the nurse and smashing it into the ground and ending it's life right after it is born??

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: CadetLee


So, a baby born four weeks premature is more human than one which is two weeks before a 'mature' birth?

Depends. IMO, any fetus is fair game to be aborted for any reason, or no reason whatsoever, if it can't sustain life outside the mother. Abortions beyond that time are already illegal except to save the mother's life, so the issue here is whether women should be forced to give birth at the expense of their own lives. If you think they should, you're an ass.

I could say the same thing about your "no reason whatsoever" comment...if you think it's all fine and dandy to kill unborn children, you're an ass. However, that would probably be considered flamebait, personal insults, or something like that..and I'm not too sure if I want a mod quote just yet.

Btw -- religious people aren't the only pro-lifers around...linky

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I am not against "early" abortions....

Will an abortion supporter please answer a question for me....?>

Should a woman be allowed to kill (abort) the baby on day 269? If she is allowed to kill (abort) the baby on that day then what is wrong with giving birth and snatching the baby from the nurse and smashing it into the ground and ending it's life right after it is born??

Also..what about day 268..267..266...where do you draw the line?

Personally, I think it's rather arrogant for people ("scientists"?) to think they know when someone is "human" or not..

I can't help but wonder -- how many 'Einsteins' and 'Beethovens' would we have if there weren't 1,000,000+ abortions per year..

 

[Ornery]

An Abortion Survivor

• I am sure I would not be here today if the abortionist would have been in the clinic as his job is to take life, not sustain it. Some have said I am a "botched abortion", a result of a job not well done.

It's not a matter of religion or morals, or even the "right to choose". It's all about Civil Rights! :Q

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I am not against "early" abortions....

Will an abortion supporter please answer a question for me....?>

Should a woman be allowed to kill (abort) the baby on day 269? If she is allowed to kill (abort) the baby on that day then what is wrong with giving birth and snatching the baby from the nurse and smashing it into the ground and ending it's life right after it is born??

This isnt the issue. I think a very very VERY tiny amount of people would support that. Partial birth abortion is only allowable when the mother's life is in danger. You must understand that if the mother's life is in danger, both the fetus and the mother are in danger. The doctor can then recommend (if he believes its needed) that the mother abort the fetus late term. The mother then can decide to do so, or not. This is NOT birth control 9 months down the road. The Supreme Court decision only upheld partial birth abortions in the case that the mother's life was in danger and the doctor felt aborting the fetus would help. Your gory description (thankfully) doesnt apply to the situation as it stands now.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: dahunan
I am not against "early" abortions....

Will an abortion supporter please answer a question for me....?>

Should a woman be allowed to kill (abort) the baby on day 269? If she is allowed to kill (abort) the baby on that day then what is wrong with giving birth and snatching the baby from the nurse and smashing it into the ground and ending it's life right after it is born??

Also..what about day 268..267..266...where do you draw the line?

Personally, I think it's rather arrogant for people ("scientists"?) to think they know when someone is "human" or not..

I can't help but wonder -- how many 'Einsteins' and 'Beethovens' would we have if there weren't 1,000,000+ abortions per year..

I think it's rather arrogant for people ("fundies"?) to think they know when someone is "human" or not..

We may not agree when life starts, but we should agree that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body.