Parliamentarian Ruling Kills an Option for Moving Health Bill

[PJABBER]

The Senate Parliamentarian is going to force the Congress to stay with the current rule in requiring the House to pass the Senate health insurance "reform" bill before considering any reconciliation.

While the Senate can change this rule, and still might with the intercession of VP Joe Biden as President of the Senate, it is now going to be even more difficult for Madame Pelosi to wrangle sufficient votes in the House to get an acceptance of the Senate version.

It is looking less and less likely that these monstrous attempts at government takeover of the health care systems of the nation will become the law of the land.

Ruling Kills an Option for Moving Health Bill
March 11, 2010, 2:30 P.M.
By David M. Drucker
Roll Call Staff

The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled that President Barack Obama must sign Congress’ original health care reform bill before the Senate can act on a companion reconciliation package, senior GOP sources said Thursday.

The Senate Parliamentarian’s Office was responding to questions posed by the Republican leadership. The answers were provided verbally, sources said.

House Democratic leaders have been searching for a way to ensure that any move they make to approve the Senate-passed $871 billion health care reform bill is followed by Senate action on a reconciliation package of adjustments to the original bill. One idea is to have the House and Senate act on reconciliation prior to House action on the Senate’s original health care bill.

Information Republicans say they have received from the Senate Parliamentarian’s Office eliminates that option.

House Democratic leaders last week began looking at crafting a legislative rule that would allow the House to approve the Senate health care bill, but not forward it to Obama for his signature until the Senate clears the reconciliation package.

Meanwhile, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) moved Thursday to put Senate Republicans on the defensive over health care, sending a letter to Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in which he dared the GOP to vote against reform.

Reid also defended the Democrats’ use of reconciliation to get a final health care reform bill to the president’s desk, noting that the bulk of health care reform was approved under regular order via the package that cleared the Senate on Christmas Eve. Reid also emphasized that Republicans have used the procedure several times over the years.

 

[highland145]

+1

 

[K1052]

Technically the VP (as the Presiding Officer) can override the Parliamentarian.

 

[theeedude]

Rules can be changed.

 

[PJABBER]

Technically the VP (as the Presiding Officer) can override the Parliamentarian.

He can also replace him. Parliamentarians were asked to leave by the Secretary of the Senate recently in 1980, 1986, 1994, and 2001.

Rules were made to be broken by the ruling class.

Still waiting for the fat lady to sing.

 

[Fern]

Technically the VP (as the Presiding Officer) can override the Parliamentarian.

I heard that too.

But I think that would cause a poop-storm of epic proportions.

Fern

 

[Patranus]

Rules can be changed.

LOL - Classic

Just like they tried to do in Massachusetts with the rules regarding the appointment of a Senator, it will backfire.

 

[spidey07]

Now they're going to go without dem abortion foes. It really looks like they can't do it. Is it time to celebrate yet?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD9ECKUOO0

WASHINGTON — House leaders have concluded they cannot change a divisive abortion provision in President Barack Obama's health care bill and will try to pass the sweeping legislation without the support of ardent anti-abortion Democrats.

 

[theeedude]

I heard that too.

But I think that would cause a poop-storm of epic proportions.

Fern

What else is new? GOP will try to whip a poop-storm out of everything. At some point you just gotta throw them under the train and keep rolling.

 

[Patranus]

What else is new? GOP will try to whip a poop-storm out of everything. At some point you just gotta throw them under the train and keep rolling.

You mean like move and and focus on the the majority of Americans care about like the economy and jobs?

NEVER!!!

 

[theeedude]

You mean like move and and focus on the the majority of Americans care about like the economy and jobs?

NEVER!!!

Sure, healthcare reform is essential part of fixing economy and job creation. Kinda hard to hire people if all your payroll is getting sucked up by ever rising insurance premiums.

 

[Patranus]

What else is new? GOP will try to whip a poop-storm out of everything. At some point you just gotta throw them under the train and keep rolling.

Laughable.
The Democrats controlled the house (majority), senate (super majority), and white house for over a year and they couldn't agree on what THEY wanted.

You simply do not understand that the American people do not want the current legislation and the moderates in the Democratic party understand this.

 

[Patranus]

Sure, healthcare reform is essential part of fixing economy and job creation. Kinda hard to hire people if all your payroll is getting sucked up by ever rising insurance premiums.

And what does the current legislation do to reduce those costs?

 

[spidey07]

Sure, healthcare reform is essential part of fixing economy and job creation. Kinda hard to hire people if all your payroll is getting sucked up by ever rising insurance premiums.

You're kidding, right? Any rise in premium is paid by the employee, not the employer.

 

[theeedude]

Laughable.
The Democrats controlled the house (majority), senate (super majority), and white house for over a year and they couldn't agree on what THEY wanted.

You simply do not understand that the American people do not want the current legislation and the moderates in the Democratic party understand this.

Well, Democrats still have majorities, and those majorities are going to govern.

 

[PokerGuy]

The Louisiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback, all the backroom deals, all the wrangling, all the maneuvering to try and get around normal process to hammer something in that the public clearly does not want. What a sad day. Come November, the democrats need to be severely punished for this stuff.

 

[Patranus]

Well, Democrats still have majorities, and those majorities are going to govern.

So you are telling me that the Democrats are going to throw a temper tantrum until they get what they want?

 

[theeedude]

You're kidding, right? Any rise in premium is paid by the employee, not the employer.

I would like to see you prove that.

 

[PokerGuy]

What else is new? GOP will try to whip a poop-storm out of everything. At some point you just gotta throw them under the train and keep rolling.

Hello, mcstupid, they've been trying that for a year. They didn't need republican votes at all when they had the supermajority, yet still couldn't pass this garbage.

 

[theeedude]

The Louisiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback, all the backroom deals, all the wrangling, all the maneuvering to try and get around normal process to hammer something in that the public clearly does not want.

Before you make a BS claim like that, inform yourself:
http://pollingreport.com/health.htm

 

[theeedude]

Hello, mcstupid, they've been trying that for a year. They didn't need republican votes at all when they had the supermajority, yet still couldn't pass this garbage.

They still don't need Republican votes, and will pass it with Reconciliation.

 

[Patranus]

They still don't need Republican votes, and will pass it with Reconciliation.

Except for the fact that they cannot do that.......

 

[Fern]

nm

 

[StageLeft]

It's almost scary how many of us get news from Matt Drudge, isn't it? I do, too, I admit it.

 

[theeedude]

Except for the fact that they cannot do that.......

We'll just have to wait to find out if it is a "fact" or not.