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The people who are dying are obviously not healthy 20/30-something males (which I presume you are), but rather the very old and the very young (and most likely quite sick in the first place too!)... Europe wasn't prepared for this. And as someone else said, people die from heat in places that are usually warm too, such as Texas.

Also, I'm sure that if today, Arizona suddenly got the weather of, say, northern Finland during winter time, a few people would die as well. I'm sure you see the silliness in the Finns then saying "but -40 degrees Celsius isn't that cold, why are they dying? Are they so dumb they don't know how to survive in the Arctic circle?" 😉.
 
Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
Originally posted by: hevnsnt
Paris Hilton is way hotter than 100deg.
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a Hilton Hotel without A/C?
its uncivilized! 🙁

i hope they knock half price off,when its so hot
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Hehe . . . Just so you know, Paris Hilton is a girl.
 
Originally posted by: Muzzan
The people who are dying are obviously not healthy 20/30-something males (which I presume you are), but rather the very old and the very young (and most likely quite sick in the first place too!)... Europe wasn't prepared for this. And as someone else said, people die from heat in places that are usually warm too, such as Texas.

Also, I'm sure that if today, Arizona suddenly got the weather of, say, northern Finland during winter time, a few people would die as well. I'm sure you see the silliness in the Finns then saying "but -40 degrees Celsius isn't that cold, why are they dying? Are they so dumb they don't know how to survive in the Arctic circle?" 😉.
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i think -40C would be -144F, if my math is correct, not to good at conversions, anyway, that is about 120F cooler than we get in the winter, the paris heat wave is approximately 25F or approximnately 25% hotter than normal, so if we valley dwellers in AZ got down to 0F, which would be the same amount below normal that paris is having above normal, no i honestly don't think people would be passing. the valley dwellers can go up north and experience those colder temps, we can even ski up north.
 
i think -40C would be -144F, if my math is correct, not to good at conversions,
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-40 C = -40 F, you're off by quite a lot. (fahrenheit = centigrade * 9/5 + 32)

anyway, that is about 120F cooler than we get in the winter,
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It gets down to (-144 + 120) F = -24 F = -31 C in Arizona during the winter...? According to http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/narratives/ARIZONA.htm the average temperature during winter is 70 F, or 21 C...

the paris heat wave is approximately 25F or approximnately 25% hotter than normal, so if we valley dwellers in AZ got down to 0F, which would be the same amount below normal that paris is having above normal, no i honestly don't think people would be passing. the valley dwellers can go up north and experience those colder temps, we can even ski up north.
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No more brainpower left at this hour to check your math, but if the temperature in a region that's usually 21 C suddenly drops to 0 F = -18 C (and is followed by the rest of "northernly winter weather", such as huge amounts of snow), there will most certainly be deaths (traffic deaths anyone? There are a few of them during winter here in Sweden, and winter is quite expected here 😛 How many people who live in an area that gets 21 C during winter would have the proper tyres for driving in snow/ice, for example?).

Anyway, you seemed to ignore the rest of the points I made...
 
Originally posted by: Muzzan
i think -40C would be -144F, if my math is correct, not to good at conversions,
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-40 C = -40 F, you're off by quite a lot. (fahrenheit = centigrade * 9/5 + 32)

anyway, that is about 120F cooler than we get in the winter,
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It gets down to (-144 + 120) F = -24 F = -31 C in Arizona during the winter...? According to http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/narratives/ARIZONA.htm the average temperature during winter is 70 F, or 21 C...

the paris heat wave is approximately 25F or approximnately 25% hotter than normal, so if we valley dwellers in AZ got down to 0F, which would be the same amount below normal that paris is having above normal, no i honestly don't think people would be passing. the valley dwellers can go up north and experience those colder temps, we can even ski up north.
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No more brainpower left at this hour to check your math, but if the temperature in a region that's usually 21 C suddenly drops to 0 F = -18 C (and is followed by the rest of "northernly winter weather", such as huge amounts of snow), there will most certainly be deaths (traffic deaths anyone? There are a few of them during winter here in Sweden, and winter is quite expected here 😛 How many people who live in an area that gets 21 C during winter would have the proper tyres for driving in snow/ice, for example?).

Anyway, you seemed to ignore the rest of the points I made...
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Contrary to popular belief, it gets very cold in Arizona, not only out in the desert, but up in the mountains. Our low was about 10 degrees below zero and we got several feet of snow. There are several very nice ski resorts in Arizona - something you might not know if the only thing you've seen of Arizona was Chevy Chase in "Vacation."
 
Yes, up in the mountains and in the desert during night (having watched many of Steve Irwin's TV-shows, I consider myself somewhat of an expert on life in the desert (haha 😉))... But it appears as if most people don't live in the mountains, but rather in the valleys where the average temp. during daytime in the winter is 21 C, no? And I strongly doubt you'll see much snow then... (Really, I haven't got a clue about Arizona, is the website I linked to lying?).
 
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
maybe it's the humidity?
I'm not sure how it is in Paris, but in Arizona it's a dry heat. I couldn't imagine being in 100 degree weather with high humidity
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Welcome to Florida.
 
Originally posted by: Muzzan
Yes, up in the mountains and in the desert during night (having watched many of Steve Irwin's TV-shows, I consider myself somewhat of an expert on life in the desert (haha 😉))... But it appears as if most people don't live in the mountains, but rather in the valleys where the average temp. during daytime in the winter is 21 C, no? And I strongly doubt you'll see much snow then... (Really, I haven't got a clue about Arizona, is the website I linked to lying?).
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Have you ever been in a desert after the sun goes down? I'm honestly curious.
 
Originally posted by: Muzzan
Nope. But from what I understand, the temperature is about 0 C?
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The weather in Arizona can be very weird. I remember it snowing in Phoenix while I was in high school. It melted fairly quickly after the sun comes up, but it gets extremely cold at night.
 
Originally posted by: Muzzan
i think -40C would be -144F, if my math is correct, not to good at conversions,
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-40 C = -40 F, you're off by quite a lot. (fahrenheit = centigrade * 9/5 + 32)

anyway, that is about 120F cooler than we get in the winter,
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It gets down to (-144 + 120) F = -24 F = -31 C in Arizona during the winter...? According to http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/narratives/ARIZONA.htm the average temperature during winter is 70 F, or 21 C...

the paris heat wave is approximately 25F or approximnately 25% hotter than normal, so if we valley dwellers in AZ got down to 0F, which would be the same amount below normal that paris is having above normal, no i honestly don't think people would be passing. the valley dwellers can go up north and experience those colder temps, we can even ski up north.
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No more brainpower left at this hour to check your math, but if the temperature in a region that's usually 21 C suddenly drops to 0 F = -18 C (and is followed by the rest of "northernly winter weather", such as huge amounts of snow), there will most certainly be deaths (traffic deaths anyone? There are a few of them during winter here in Sweden, and winter is quite expected here 😛 How many people who live in an area that gets 21 C during winter would have the proper tyres for driving in snow/ice, for example?).

Anyway, you seemed to ignore the rest of the points I made...
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from your link:

TEMPERATURE ? Cold air masses from Canada sometimes penetrate into the state, bringing temperatures well below zero in the high plateau and mountainous regions of central and northern Arizona. The lowest readings can dip to 35 degrees F below zero. High temperatures are common throughout the summer months at the lower elevations. Temperatures over 125 degrees F have been observed in the desert area. Great extremes occur between day and night temperatures throughout Arizona. The daily range between maximum and minimum temperatures sometimes runs as much as 50 to 60 degrees F during the drier portions of the year. During winter months, daytime temperatures may average 70 degrees F, with night temperatures often falling to freezing of slightly below in the lower desert valleys. In the summer the pine-clad forests in the central part of the state may have afternoon temperatures of 80 degrees F, while night temperatures drop to 35 or 40 degrees F.

the extremes we are talking about are here in AZ already, and people aren't dieing from it.

you are correct, my math was really off, but in AZ, if the temp gets down to -10F, i will still live, AZ has all climates except a tropical one. my point is also that if it did get that cold, i really doubt a lot of older/younger people will die. regardless of what you are used to, you can adapt.

maybe i assume this because i have lived in high temps my whole life, but i know i would not have much difficulty in a cold (-10F or so) situation.

i think the french government needs to do more education.
 
Originally posted by: Muzzan
Yes, up in the mountains and in the desert during night (having watched many of Steve Irwin's TV-shows, I consider myself somewhat of an expert on life in the desert (haha 😉))... But it appears as if most people don't live in the mountains, but rather in the valleys where the average temp. during daytime in the winter is 21 C, no? And I strongly doubt you'll see much snow then... (Really, I haven't got a clue about Arizona, is the website I linked to lying?).
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most of the info was pretty accurate, from this site:

http://www.c21distinguished.com/community_info/demog.htm#gen

you can see that more than half live in maricopa county, which is the central county in valley.
 
Originally posted by: X-Man
Originally posted by: Muzzan
Nope. But from what I understand, the temperature is about 0 C?
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The weather in Arizona can be very weird. I remember it snowing in Phoenix while I was in high school. It melted fairly quickly after the sun comes up, but it gets extremely cold at night.
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those were some rare days... 🙂

 
As far as I heard, the ones that dies are only elderly/sick/weakened ppl.

It has been unsually hot for months now - I am longing for winter now... No really this heat is killing me, I live under the roof in an 1850 era building, I can measure the Temp in my sleeping room with a fever thermometer - when going to sleep, it is horrible, havent slept well in weeks.

And nobody has A/C - it usually doesn't get this hot and the costs would kill me (33cents/kWh)
 
Originally posted by: cavemanmoron


well buy an air conditoner for your window then?

or how about fans?

put ice in a bucket,near a fan,and let it help cool the air off.

take a cool shower or bath.



Best wishes to anyone that the heat bothers,
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Window A/C is not possible - usually our windows are totally different style than US - plus they are insulating (2 or 3 sheets of glass with nitrogen filling). So only split A/C, where u have to lead coolant pipes through the wall is possible - but electricity prices will take your grin about the cool room away fast.

Fans, yes but that doesnt help much. I have a ceiling fan but it isnt doing much good. Stand up fans are sold out in the whole area and no new ones available, ppl even bought off industrial fans that cost several hundred $....

Unlike the US where u can buy Ice at any Gasstation, u don't have that here. Ice in big amounts is not that easy to come by, when we make a cocktail party we go with a big ice cooler to Burger King and ask them if we can fill it with their Ice - sometimes they do, although not allowed too because of hygenics regulations. 🙁

A cold shower is what I take as often as possible - ahh that feels so good 😀
 
That's what I call a French toast.
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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Chicago had dozens if not hundreds die in the last heat wave a few years back.
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Try about 600!

Since then they started heat alerts and created more cooling stations, and an effort to proactively call the elderly to offer rides etc. to the stations.
 
Originally posted by: Hammyton
france is predicting up to 3000 dead...

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this is ridiculous, 3000 dead from heat

to the french:

drink lots of water, atleast 3/4 gallon a day
take a t-shirt, put it in water and put it on your head
take many cold showers

is it extemely humid in france?

 
The 1995 Heat Wave in Chicago Illinois

The heat wave in July 1995 in Chicago was one of the worst weather-related disasters in Illinois history with approximately 525 deaths over a 5-day period. As noted by Changnon et al. (1996), "The loss of human life in hot spells in summer exceeds that caused by all other weather events in the United States combined, including lightning, rainstorms/floods, hurricanes, and tornadoes." Weather hazards such as tornadoes, floods, lightning, and winter storms each result in about 100 deaths per year on average, while heat waves result in about 1000 deaths per year on average.

 
Originally posted by: bob332
Originally posted by: Hammyton
france is predicting up to 3000 dead...

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this is ridiculous, 3000 dead from heat

to the french:

drink lots of water, atleast 3/4 gallon a day
take a t-shirt, put it in water and put it on your head
take many cold showers

is it extemely humid in france?
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the people dying are mostly older people who were already sick and very weak. These people would probably have died next month or so. The heat only accelerated their death
 
Originally posted by: Spac3d
I'm sure they will blame the Americans for it.
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Yeah they already have I think, they blame the heatwave on all the bombs that were dropped on Iraq, and explosions cause heat and we somehow made it go into france lmao
 
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