Parents turn in their 7th grade daughter for sexting nudes w/boys

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lxskllr

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I do get a chuckle from those advocating reasoning with the daughter. Obviously, they've never had teenage daughters or, they've conveniently forgotten what they were like when they were teenagers.

That's what I did. Ultimately it's her life, and her choice. Punishment and technical restrictions don't work, and are trivial to circumvent, unless one is advocating imprisonment. I suppose that works, but it has questionable legality, and is absolutely immoral.
 

Ricochet

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Given the situation I don't think what the mom did was out of line.

At 13 is about the time kids don't want to be considered kids anymore. Every parent should watch the movie Kids (1995) to get a frame of reference of how teens behave. It is a real eye opener.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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That's what I did. Ultimately it's her life, and her choice. Punishment and technical restrictions don't work, and are trivial to circumvent, unless one is advocating imprisonment. I suppose that works, but it has questionable legality, and is absolutely immoral.

It comes down to rights. By definition, children below the age of majority have only the rights granted by their parents. As a parent, I have the right to make the best choices for my children I can. My eldest daughter is beautiful, intelligent and, between the ages of 13 to 18, totally out of control. As you said, punishment and technical restrictions don't work. I would have had to stop working in order to keep her safe 24 hours a day which would harm the rest of the family. After all reasoning, limits and, counseling failed, we sent her to a residential hs with mandatory daily counseling and students were not allowed off campus. She needed the 24 hour control and guidance I could not give her. You or others may view that as sending her to prison. I know only that she is now a wonderful, thoughtful daughter whom I love and who loves me.
 

TheVrolok

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Given the situation I don't think what the mom did was out of line.

At 13 is about the time kids don't want to be considered kids anymore. Every parent should watch the movie Kids (1995) to get a frame of reference of how teens behave. It is a real eye opener.

Or just remember being 13? I stayed home from school the day we upgraded from dial up to DSL just so I could use broadband to DL porn. Was probably 10 at that time? Lost my virginity at 13, maybe 14? It's complete denial to think my kids would be any different. I guess parents just don't remember those times?
 

MrDudeMan

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Or just remember being 13? I stayed home from school the day we upgraded from dial up to DSL just so I could use broadband to DL porn. Was probably 10 at that time? Lost my virginity at 13, maybe 14? It's complete denial to think my kids would be any different. I guess parents just don't remember those times?

I fully expect my kids to act like kids, but what you're describing is much more than I would expect or tolerate. Your parents were either ignorant or not paying attention. I have two kids and my sister's 10 year old boy lives with us right now, so I have a pretty good grasp on how 10 year old kids behave. He would absolutely never sit down to look at porn because he's been instilled with The Fear. I'm positive he's curious, but the consequences would be severe if he was caught and he knows that. It's not about shielding them from the world as much as letting them mature enough to handle things when you know they're ready. They have no clue when they're ready.
 

K1052

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He would absolutely never sit down to look at porn because he's been instilled with The Fear. I'm positive he's curious, but the consequences would be severe if he was caught and he knows that. It's not about shielding them from the world as much as letting them mature enough to handle things when you know they're ready. They have no clue when they're ready.

I cannot appropriately express how deluded this kind of thinking is. I (and most of my peers) did all kinds of stuff that if caught would have landed us in a world of trouble. Didn't stop us from doing it though.

Also, the "when they're ready" approach usually has the effect of closing the barn door several to many years after the horses got out. Puberty waits for no one.
 

MongGrel

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I've never had children myself, so I basically avoid remarking in these.

Turning your own child into the police seems a bit out there these days to me though, all things considered.
 
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mikeymikec

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That's why I don't have kids, so I don't have to deal with stupid shit like this. 13 and sexting? Wtf?

Kids emulate what they consider to be adult behaviour.

Also, the "when they're ready" approach usually has the effect of closing the barn door several to many years after the horses got out. Puberty waits for no one.

Also, "when they're ready" for what? How are you going to implement a sliding scale approach to Internet content blocking? Are you going to let them read about conception and contraception at some point? When do you decide that looking at porn is OK for them? What sort of porn?
 
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tortillasoup

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I fully expect my kids to act like kids, but what you're describing is much more than I would expect or tolerate. Your parents were either ignorant or not paying attention. I have two kids and my sister's 10 year old boy lives with us right now, so I have a pretty good grasp on how 10 year old kids behave. He would absolutely never sit down to look at porn because he's been instilled with The Fear. I'm positive he's curious, but the consequences would be severe if he was caught and he knows that. It's not about shielding them from the world as much as letting them mature enough to handle things when you know they're ready. They have no clue when they're ready.

Why do you think you have a better idea of when someone is ready to look at porn? What metric are you using? Age? What's that magical age? When/where/why did you come up with that age? People mature at different rates. My guess is, it's not when the kids are ready, it's when YOU'RE ready because this 'problem' is all about yourself and your selfish ideas of when children should mature not when they're actually maturing.
 
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JEDI

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He would absolutely never sit down to look at porn because he's been instilled with The Fear. I'm positive he's curious, but the consequences would be severe if he was caught and he knows that. It's not about shielding them from the world as much as letting them mature enough to handle things when you know they're ready. They have no clue when they're ready.

ahh.. it's parents u like that girls turn into porn stars at age 18.

repressed sexuality. at 18, she knows there's no more restrictions forced upon her
 

Spungo

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pics were just full nude, and she was alone in those pics.

Would you do that to your own 13yr old daughter?
Of course I would try to get my daughter on the sex offender registry. Who wouldn't?

is the 13 yr old going to be charged with making child porn?
I sure hope so.

There must be something wrong with a child having sexual thoughts before the age of 18. She must have the devil inside of her.

She needs a priest, not a police officer.
I think I would rather have sex with the police officer, but that's just me.
 

TheVrolok

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I fully expect my kids to act like kids, but what you're describing is much more than I would expect or tolerate. Your parents were either ignorant or not paying attention. I have two kids and my sister's 10 year old boy lives with us right now, so I have a pretty good grasp on how 10 year old kids behave. He would absolutely never sit down to look at porn because he's been instilled with The Fear. I'm positive he's curious, but the consequences would be severe if he was caught and he knows that. It's not about shielding them from the world as much as letting them mature enough to handle things when you know they're ready. They have no clue when they're ready.

My parent's were neither ignorant, nor oblivious. In fact, they were pretty involved in both the lives of my sister and I. I actually have a great respect for how we were raised. My parents are two of my best friends, and yet never blurred the line when were children; they were clearly in charge. They actually leaned on the strict side, especially relative to my contemporaries. Severe consequences over porn? Sounds like it's simply that you prefer the head in the sand approach to sex at that age. How exactly do you gauge when "ready" is? I have no ill effects. Hell, there are 20 year olds who still aren't "mature" enough to "appropriately" handle porn or sex.
 

Wyndru

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The whole thing is pretty sad. Like some have mentioned, the parents may have feared for legal consequences. She was basically distributing child pornography and if they were aware of this and did nothing who's knows what could have happened if it came out another way.

Personally I wouldn't have turned her in and just hoped the pictures wouldn't come back to bite her later.

My daughter is 4 right now, reading things like this breaks my heart. I would be devastated if something like this went down. I can only hope we raise her to be aware of the seriousness of this behavior.
 

Kadarin

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In this day and age, I'd say that anybody who gets the police involved for anything short of absolute dire necessity is a fucking moron.

Absolutely. Getting the police and legal system involved in this will have dire consequences that will likely last a very long time and cause a lot of pain.
 

Imp

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Eight grade... MP3 players were just hitting the mainstream then for me. Still running a Pentium 2.

Kid's an idiot, but I hope the cops don't get robotic and charge her for producing child pornography.
 

MongGrel

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Absolutely. Getting the police and legal system involved in this will have dire consequences that will likely last a very long time and cause a lot of pain.
Like I said, I've never had children.

But I've been around awhile, starting legal things involving her might be very detrimental to her future I would think.

She'll always be on the radar now I imagine.
 
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MrDudeMan

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I cannot appropriately express how deluded this kind of thinking is. I (and most of my peers) did all kinds of stuff that if caught would have landed us in a world of trouble. Didn't stop us from doing it though.

Also, the "when they're ready" approach usually has the effect of closing the barn door several to many years after the horses got out. Puberty waits for no one.

I have no idea what this means to be honest, but it doesn't really matter because it's not delusional to put up boundaries for kids. Given the opportunity to do whatever they want, they'll do whatever they want. I was given too much freedom as a kid and I ended up suffering for it every once in a while. I will let my kids make mistakes and incur penalties for overstepping my boundaries as that's part of life, but there's a huge difference between certain boundaries. A 10 year old shouldn't be looking at hardcore porn. I don't know where the line is, but I know it's after 10.

ahh.. it's parents u like that girls turn into porn stars at age 18.

repressed sexuality. at 18, she knows there's no more restrictions forced upon her

No, not really. It sounds good for an argument on a forum, though, so have at it. I had sex as a teenager and I fully expect my kids will as well, but that doesn't mean they should be looking at hardcore porn.

Why do you think you have a better idea of when someone is ready to look at porn? What metric are you using? Age? What's that magical age? When/where/why did you come up with that age? People mature at different rates. My guess is, it's not when the kids are ready, it's when YOU'RE ready because this 'problem' is all about yourself and your selfish ideas of when children should mature not when they're actually maturing.

You're trying to abstract one concept into an entire parenting methodology and it's just not that simple. I don't know when a person should look at porn because personally I think the answer is never, but I know for certain 10 is too young. We can debate whichever part of this you want to debate, but there's two issues at play here. Pick one and keep it specific instead of trying to tell me I want to control puberty. The last few sentences of your post are fucking retarded and not relevant or correct.

My parent's were neither ignorant, nor oblivious. In fact, they were pretty involved in both the lives of my sister and I. I actually have a great respect for how we were raised. My parents are two of my best friends, and yet never blurred the line when were children; they were clearly in charge. They actually leaned on the strict side, especially relative to my contemporaries. Severe consequences over porn? Sounds like it's simply that you prefer the head in the sand approach to sex at that age. How exactly do you gauge when "ready" is? I have no ill effects. Hell, there are 20 year olds who still aren't "mature" enough to "appropriately" handle porn or sex.

No head in the sand here, but you guys sure are using all of the great catch phrases today. I'll answer any questions he has, which he has many, but there's simply no good reason that I know of to allow him to watch hardcore porn. Please give me three good reasons that he should, at such a young age, be watching porn. If it's so easy to understand and not harmful, you should be able to cite several credible sources showing real data that it has positive benefits. I'll change my policy if you can provide that information.

As for severe consequences, you can parent however you want and I'll parent however I want. I said no and made it clear that it wasn't a rule he has any leeway to break, so if he goes against that then he has to deal with it. That's not specific to internet usage. I make it clear which rules are actual rules and which ones are meant to be taken with a grain of salt, which he figures out anyway. This isn't rocket science nor is it uncommon. I knew which things I could get away with doing as a kid and which rules I absolutely would pay dearly if I disobeyed. I grew up learning to respect authority while also understanding I had the right to question that same authority - a concept I will instill in him because it has real merit. He can and does question most rules just like any other kid, and we afford him quite a bit of flexibility to fall down and pick himself up. There are things that kids don't need to see, though, until they're older and porn is one of them. It's absolutely ludicrous how many of you are advocating for young children to watch porn.
 
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TheVrolok

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No head in the sand here, but you guys sure are using all of the great catch phrases today. I'll answer any questions he has, which he has many, but there's simply no good reason that I know of to allow him to watch hardcore porn. Please give me three good reasons that he should, at such a young age, be watching porn. If it's so easy to understand and not harmful, you should be able to cite several credible sources showing real data that it has positive benefits. I'll change my policy if you can provide that information.

You're really reaching here. We're not sitting here saying, "All little kids should watch hardcore porn, because it's good for them!" Nor are we opining that we should provided porn to our children. What we are simply saying is that watching porn is not the end of the world and may not require dire consequences.

There are things that kids don't need to see, though, until they're older and porn is one of them.

Quite simply an opinion.

It's absolutely ludicrous how many of you are advocating for young children to watch porn.

Again, you're playing word semantics games. No one is advocating for young children to watch porn, we're simply not saying it has the same dire consequences you imply. What you're doing is equivalent to, "If you're not pro-life, you're pro-abortion!" Which is equally ludicrous.
 

MrDudeMan

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As for the topic, I don't think I would turn in my kid, but I suppose it would depend on the circumstances. If the pictures were sent and the responses were innocent enough (regular boy responses), I would probably just talk to her. If the responses were over the line enough to warrant real concern, I may go to the police. It's hard to say for sure without being in the situation, but I know my gut feeling right now is handle this kind of thing on my own. Kids will be kids, yes, but they also don't always realize that they could be putting themselves in a precarious position given their lack of experience.
 

tortillasoup

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I have no idea what this means to be honest, but it doesn't really matter because it's not delusional to put up boundaries for kids. Given the opportunity to do whatever they want, they'll do whatever they want. I was given too much freedom as a kid and I ended up suffering for it every once in a while. I will let my kids make mistakes and incur penalties for overstepping my boundaries as that's part of life, but there's a huge difference between certain boundaries. A 10 year old shouldn't be looking at hardcore porn. I don't know where the line is, but I know it's after 10.



No, not really. It sounds good for an argument on a forum, though, so have at it. I had sex as a teenager and I fully expect my kids will as well, but that doesn't mean they should be looking at hardcore porn.



You're trying to abstract one concept into an entire parenting methodology and it's just not that simple. I don't know when a person should look at porn because personally I think the answer is never, but I know for certain 10 is too young. We can debate whichever part of this you want to debate, but there's two issues at play here. Pick one and keep it specific instead of trying to tell me I want to control puberty. The last few sentences of your post are fucking retarded and not relevant or correct.
How you reconcile the idea that your kids can/will have sex but should never at any age look at hard core pornography is completely beyond belief. Where did you get the idea that sex is acceptable but pornography isn't? Pornography is simply the video taping of people having sex. What do you consider hard core pornography? Bondage, whips and other such shit? Or just full view of penis and vaginas with penetration... (vs. the softcore shit late @ night on HBO)


No head in the sand here, but you guys sure are using all of the great catch phrases today. I'll answer any questions he has, which he has many, but there's simply no good reason that I know of to allow him to watch hardcore porn. Please give me three good reasons that he should, at such a young age, be watching porn. If it's so easy to understand and not harmful, you should be able to cite several credible sources showing real data that it has positive benefits. I'll change my policy if you can provide that information.

As for severe consequences, you can parent however you want and I'll parent however I want. I said no and made it clear that it wasn't a rule he has any leeway to break, so if he goes against that then he has to deal with it. That's not specific to internet usage. I make it clear which rules are actual rules and which ones are meant to be taken with a grain of salt, which he figures out anyway. This isn't rocket science nor is it uncommon. I knew which things I could get away with doing as a kid and which rules I absolutely would pay dearly if I disobeyed. I grew up learning to respect authority while also understanding I had the right to question that same authority - a concept I will instill in him because it has real merit. He can and does question most rules just like any other kid, and we afford him quite a bit of flexibility to fall down and pick himself up. There are things that kids don't need to see, though, until they're older and porn is one of them. It's absolutely ludicrous how many of you are advocating for young children to watch porn.


Well nobody is "advocating" watching porn at a young age, however what I think a lot of people are in agreement with is that we're not going to go out of our ways to shelter out children from pornography. No I'm not going to have porn tapes laying around for easy access and or just flat out give a tape to a 10 year old kid and say "have at it". But if they're inclined to go poking around, looking for that stuff and find it, I'm not going to similar poking around, looking for that stuff to find it and take it away. You know your kid is probably ready for porn when they've found and obtained it their own way without you helping them. ESPECIALLY if they've got a collection of that shit on their computer!
 
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When I was in 7th grade I was playing with friends not s**king d*ck

The parents did a good thing IMO. The 13 year old would've done way bigger things..
 

tortillasoup

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When I was in 7th grade I was playing with friends not s**king d*ck

The parents did a good thing IMO. The 13 year old would've done way bigger things..

That 13 year old is going to get fucked up majorly especially if they wind up on a sex offender registry...
 

MrDudeMan

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You're really reaching here. We're not sitting here saying, "All little kids should watch hardcore porn, because it's good for them!" Nor are we opining that we should provided porn to our children. What we are simply saying is that watching porn is not the end of the world and may not require dire consequences.

I didn't say it was the end of the world. Severe punishment for something like this would be no computer for a few weeks, probably grounded for a while, and a stern talking to about obeying the rules of the house. Maybe severe meant something different where you grew up, but you clearly made some assumptions. By the way, defending this particular issue so hard basically made the comment that you're now backpedaling away from. Regardless, house rules are house rules. If I said no punching pillows and I had a non-stupid, defensible reason for that (which I don't obviously, but for the purposes of illustration), I would treat it the same way. There's no good reason to allow a child to watch porn, which is why you're changing your tune to again abstract the argument away from the actual point. I already agreed that kids don't need to be controlled nor would I ever want to do that, so you're arguing with me about porn and only porn. Go ahead and change my mind about how it's not a big deal for a child to see a woman getting gagged and fucked in her asshole. If you can do that, I'll admit I was wrong and lift the ban on porn in the house.

Quite simply an opinion.

An opinion that every single parent I've ever met has shared. I don't care if it's an 'opinion' because any other viewpoint is seriously fucked up. Kids who are exposed to that kind of stuff stick out like a sore thumb.

Again, you're playing word semantics games. No one is advocating for young children to watch porn, we're simply not saying it has the same dire consequences you imply. What you're doing is equivalent to, "If you're not pro-life, you're pro-abortion!" Which is equally ludicrous.

Sorry - that's a ridiculously bad comparison and not at all applicable to my point of view. I'm also not playing word games with you. Kids shouldn't be watching porn and that was my initial point all along. If you're arguing against that, then you should have a defensible reason to allow it. I didn't say kids should walk around in a bubble with no outside access, but that's how you're reacting to my comments.
 

MrDudeMan

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How you reconcile the idea that your kids can/will have sex but should never at any age look at hard core pornography is completely beyond belief. Where did you get the idea that sex is acceptable but pornography isn't? Pornography is simply the video taping of people having sex. What do you consider hard core pornography? Bondage, whips and other such shit? Or just full view of penis and vaginas with penetration... (vs. the softcore shit late @ night on HBO)

There's no need to reconcile anything. Having sex is completely natural and it's something kids will discover on their own. Seeing a guy fuck a girl in her ass and then gag her with his dick right before shooting a load in her eye isn't what kids need to think sex is all about before they have any experience with it at all. If you choose to have sex like that based on your own experience, that's great. I don't think there's a wrong way to do it as long as both people want the same things. Letting a 10 year old see that kind of thing, though, is totally outside the bounds of normalcy. Porn isn't video of regular people having regular sex. It's adult entertainment for adults because kids are extremely impressionable especially about subjects that can be uncomfortable. Like I said, I'll answer any questions they have without hesitation, but there's simply no good reason to pre-bias him into thinking all women will want to be treated like porn stars and that it's totally normal, because it isn't.

My original comment and point as well as my current points are still only related to this, so don't try to apply it to anything else.


Well nobody is "advocating" watching porn at a young age, however what I think a lot of people are in agreement with is that we're not going to go out of our ways to shelter out children from pornography. No I'm not going to have porn tapes laying around for easy access and or just flat out give a tape to a 10 year old kid and say "have at it". But if they're inclined to go poking around, looking for that stuff and find it, I'm not going to similar poking around, looking for that stuff to find it and take it away. You know your kid is probably ready for porn when they've found and obtained it their own way without you helping them. ESPECIALLY if they've got a collection of that shit on their computer!

That's all true and I actually don't disagree with any of it. That's not going to happen to a 10 year old unless you totally give up and say 'have at it' while ignoring their internet usage. It will absolutely happen to most 15 year olds, so I wouldn't react nearly as strongly at that point, but by 15 my kids will also have gone on dates, probably made out with multiple people, and obviously have some more life experience. The punishment needs to fit the crime, but also the age because kids don't know when they're ready for things even if they've stumbled upon them. There's a time and place to allow them to handle their own discoveries, but it's also negligent to allow a 10 year old to stay home and look at porn on the computer all day, which is what my initial comment addressed.