Parents suing Port Jervis, school in girl's fatal fall through roof

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ALLyou

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No I am not one of the parents clown .Maybe tomorrow you will die in a car crash or get seriously injured and I guess you will be just as retarded for getting behind the wheel . I am sure there is no codes in your book for anything since you have no idea about construction .You must be an absolute idiot or maybe you are the principal or one of the board members.
 

SampSon

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Yes, the schools completely irresponsible and criminal stacking of milk crates is to blame!

To show the world how deeply in mourning you are, sue.

Give me a fucking break.
 

EagleKeeper

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If there a code for the skylights, please identify it?
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Originally posted by: ALLyou
No I am not one of the parents clown .Maybe tomorrow you will die in a car crash or get seriously injured and I guess you will be just as retarded for getting behind the wheel . I am sure there is no codes in your book for anything since you have no idea about construction .You must be an absolute idiot or maybe you are the principal or one of the board members.

Would you indulge us as to what the code for the skylight was? I'm fairly sure they don't have to be made to hold 300 pounds...
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
You guys are reading to deeply into this case.

If you ever want the simplest answer for a baffling question, *follow the money*.

These parents want cash for their pain and suffering; they could care less who was at fault.

The last thing they want is an actual trial. They just want to intimidate the school into a nice, juicy settlement by threatening them with a publicized, expensive trial.
I doubt the parents wanted anything, they were probably a wreck. A smoothtalking lawyer most likely put on some makeup to hide his scales, approached the parents and pretended he cared about their brat (who was retarded, btw) to gain their trust, then manipulated their grief into anger. And we sit here blaming the parents while the soulless lawyer gets his money and fades back into the sewer he crawled from.
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
If there a code for the skylights, please identify it?

OSHA Regulation 29 CFR 1910.23 Guarding Floor and Wall Openings and Holes.

(a) (4) Every skylight, floor opening, and hole shall be guarded by a standard skylight screen or fixed standard railing on all exposed sides.

(e) (8) Skylight screens shall be of such construction and mounting that they are capable of withstanding a load of at least 200 pounds applied perpendicularly at any one area on the screen. They shall also be of such construction and mounting that under ordinary loads or impacts, they will not deflect downward sufficiently to break the glass below them. The construction shall be of grillwork with openings not more than 4 inches long or of slatwork with openings not more than 2 inches wide with length unrestricted.



Likely contributory negligence for the school if the skylights were unprotected.
 

arrfep

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Originally posted by: ALLyou
No I am not one of the parents clown .Maybe tomorrow you will die in a car crash or get seriously injured and I guess you will be just as retarded for getting behind the wheel . I am sure there is no codes in your book for anything since you have no idea about construction .You must be an absolute idiot or maybe you are the principal or one of the board members.

This quite well may happen, but I don't think any of us would go and sue the DOT for building the roads we died on, now would we?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Dabappa
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
If there a code for the skylights, please identify it?

OSHA Regulation 29 CFR 1910.23 Guarding Floor and Wall Openings and Holes.

(a) (4) Every skylight, floor opening, and hole shall be guarded by a standard skylight screen or fixed standard railing on all exposed sides.

(e) (8) Skylight screens shall be of such construction and mounting that they are capable of withstanding a load of at least 200 pounds applied perpendicularly at any one area on the screen. They shall also be of such construction and mounting that under ordinary loads or impacts, they will not deflect downward sufficiently to break the glass below them. The construction shall be of grillwork with openings not more than 4 inches long or of slatwork with openings not more than 2 inches wide with length unrestricted.



Likely contributory negligence for the school if the skylights were unprotected.

I would expect that the railings or wire mesh existed at one point (in order to get the occupancy permit).

I would also expect that idiot could easily climb over the standard railing - those are just to prevent people from accidentally stepping on the light.

And as others stated, two idiots jumping up and down to see if they could break/crack the skylight will easily wiegh over 200 lbs.

So unless the skylight was unprotected by the screen being removed previously and/or the railings there is still no excuse.

 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Originally posted by: Dabappa
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
If there a code for the skylights, please identify it?

OSHA Regulation 29 CFR 1910.23 Guarding Floor and Wall Openings and Holes.

(a) (4) Every skylight, floor opening, and hole shall be guarded by a standard skylight screen or fixed standard railing on all exposed sides.

(e) (8) Skylight screens shall be of such construction and mounting that they are capable of withstanding a load of at least 200 pounds applied perpendicularly at any one area on the screen. They shall also be of such construction and mounting that under ordinary loads or impacts, they will not deflect downward sufficiently to break the glass below them. The construction shall be of grillwork with openings not more than 4 inches long or of slatwork with openings not more than 2 inches wide with length unrestricted.



Likely contributory negligence for the school if the skylights were unprotected.

Um, a 15 year-old girl and an 18 year-old guy will weigh a lot more than 200 pounds combined. I'm 18 and 170 lbs, and I know a lot of guys who are bigger than me.
 

KaOTiK

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Man, I really can't even put into words really how shit like this pisses me off.

These two kids, first get drunk, under-aged mine you, then go on to the schools property at night on a weekend...not even their school as this is an elementary school, go back the loading/docking area for the school which is an area students aren't allowed to go anyways, proceed to climb up using milk crates, and some how in all their mighty teenage wisdom decide to sit on a fucking skylight of all things.

Sorry, the kids were stupid, it wasn't the schools fault. Shit just happens sometimes, and when it does you can't just go out trying to blame others and then get some money out of it.
The school system should turn around and counter sue them for a new skylight and clean up fees and make the case that the parents were negligent in not supervising their children and allowing them to consume alcohol an an illegal age.

Seriously, all these places/companies that get sue'd over retarded shit need to turn around and start suing back on the fact the person suing them is mentally handicap.

It is so bad now, warning labels and having to sign shit just do get/do something. I bought a can of fucking cashews the other thing, and on the label it says may contain nuts, uhhh I fucking hope so.
 

PlasmaBomb

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
I wanted to get some used/broken telephone poles from the power company. I was willing to pay for them. (They're great for corners for tensioned fences.)
Nope. They can't any more. They used to give them away, but some idiot who said he was going to use them for fencing managed to stick it into the ground & climb the pole. The pole fell over, he got injured, he sued, and now even giving away the poles is a huge liability issue.

WTF?
 

Mark R

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The thing is, sometimes it's not just money, sometimes you get the cops chasing similar BS in order to meet quotas.

I once knew a bloke who was restoring an old car, and was overhauling the brakes - basically he'd taken off the master cylinder, so the car was completely undriveable. However, to keep it safe, he kept it on bricks, with the battery removed, locked, and behind a lockable barrier on the driveway. One night, some low-life decides to steal it. Somehow, they get hold of the keys (theory is they used a wire to grab them through an open window), took the car off the bricks, unlocked the barrier, and tried to start the car. Obviously, the car didn't go - so they pushed the car onto the road, and tried to bump start it down a nearby hill - a very long 1 in 5 grade, which ran into the center of town.

First thing this guy knows about his car getting jacked, is the cops hammering on his door to arrest him. Unsurprisingly, the thief had wrecked the car at the bottom of the long hill, after going through a store window. The thief was too shook up to think about suing, but that didn't stop the cops from dragging the guy to the station in cuffs, and filing charges of criminal negligence and allowing an unroadworthy car on the road. It actually went as far as court, before the judge saw sense and threw it out. Didn't stop the thief and shop owner suing for damages though - his insurance ended up meeting the cost of damages to the store (lucky for him he was insured even though the car was off the road). Don't think the thief ended up getting anything.
 

PlasmaBomb

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Originally posted by: Mark R
The thing is, sometimes it's not just money, sometimes you get the cops chasing similar BS in order to meet quotas.

I once knew a bloke who was restoring an old car, and was overhauling the brakes - basically he'd taken off the master cylinder, so the car was completely undriveable. However, to keep it safe, he kept it on bricks, with the battery removed, locked, and behind a lockable barrier on the driveway. One night, some low-life decides to steal it. Somehow, they get hold of the keys (theory is they used a wire to grab them through an open window), took the car off the bricks, unlocked the barrier, and tried to start the car. Obviously, the car didn't go - so they pushed the car onto the road, and tried to bump start it down a nearby hill - a very long 1 in 5 grade, which ran into the center of town.

First thing this guy knows about his car getting jacked, is the cops hammering on his door to arrest him. Unsurprisingly, the thief had wrecked the car at the bottom of the long hill, after going through a store window. The thief was too shook up to think about suing, but that didn't stop the cops from dragging the guy to the station in cuffs, and filing charges of criminal negligence and allowing an unroadworthy car on the road. It actually went as far as court, before the judge saw sense and threw it out. Didn't stop the thief and shop owner suing for damages though - his insurance ended up meeting the cost of damages to the store (lucky for him he was insured even though the car was off the road). Don't think the thief ended up getting anything.

God damb it! That is stupid...

 

Bateluer

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Hmmm . . . perhaps some sort of 'dumb lawsuit' penalty, with high dollar fines, to prevent this sort of idiocy?
 

jjones

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Too bad God doesn't have a checking account. The parents could sue him for making their kids dumb as shit.
 

ALLyou

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Hey you never know .People have sued McDonalds because of hot coffee spilling on them and people have sued towns and cities because of failure to maintain roads that contributed to the cause of a car accident . They were not jumping up and down on the skylight they were leaning on it and due to the age of them(skylights) and the cold it caused them to shatter .I also find it funny how people from Cali are chiming in and seem to think they know all the facts.

ASTM International Subcommittee E06.51 on Performance of Windows, Doors, Skylights and Curtain Walls

ASTM WK17797 - Human Impact on Commercial Skylights will be used to develop, formulate and improve standard methods of tests that simulate falls of persons onto skylights and smoke vents for human impact resistance under natural conditions of exposure and to provide information for code and standards officials on which performance standards can be established.

The purpose of ASTM WK17797 is to bring together the skylight glass panel, plastic domes (bubble) and the metal buildings industries along with other specialized industries whose products let light into buildings and are located in areas where these or other building features need maintenance, said ASTM International.

"The standard is meant to be a method that the industry agrees will provide an adequate test for skylights to protect roof construction and maintenance workers from human impact fall-through over an aging period that is yet to be decided," said J. Nigel Ellis, an E06 member and president, Ellis Fall Safety Solutions.

Government regulators in agencies including the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and building code administrators would be likely users of ASTM WK17797.

This is only part of it you people are truly clueless .I am also sure there are no codes for huge glass skyscrapers and how the glass must me secured for safety
 

ALLyou

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Also it was there school the elementary and the high school are connected by hallways and the same roof .
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: ALLyou
Also it was there school the elementary and the high school are connected by hallways and the same roof .

OMG!!!!!! Are you SERIOUS!!!

Connected by the SAME ROOF!!!! This is MADNESS!!! Same roof! I tell ya, what a total lack for the safety of the children. Same hallways you say?

Can we get a blamestorming session going on this? Same roof, same hallway, I smell a concentrated effort to harm the children here.