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bluey

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They went to BB and just bought a 17" lcd. I dont really think they looked at specs or they just went with whatever the BB guy said. Should I keep this? Actually I havent read to see if I can take it back, but I hope I am not stuck with it. Like I said its a viewsonic va720 and apparently it doesnt support DVI and I cant seem to find a refresh rate. I like to play games like UT2k4 (will play havent built my new comp yet and this one is too slow) and wolf:et. FPS's mostly, and I know nothing about LCD's. It was a present so I dont really want to have to say take it back it sucks or whatever but I will. The only reason I got it was because its smaller to fit in my dorm. But I am not really sure if I should get an LCD. I am using an AOC Spectrum 7GLR or something like that right now, which I believe is just a cheap ol round 17" crt. Anyway should I keep this LCD, if not should I buy another, if so which for gaming and internet?

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Oh and LCD's have a preset resolution deal (sry I forgot what its called), does that mean you cant play games at 1600x1200 (or anything above that preset resolution)?
 
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Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
POS LCD. 25 MS response time? your gonna want to kill yourself playing FPSs.
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I am using a 25ms moniter, I dont see any ghosting. You should kill yourself because your a idiot.

Go plug your moniter into one of your computers and goto Moniter Direct and the do the Ghosting Test and load up a few FPS games. Install doom 3 or something.
 
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Maskirovka

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
POS LCD. 25 MS response time? your gonna want to kill yourself playing FPSs.
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You should kill yourself because your a idiot.

Go plug your moniter
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lmfao...nice suggestion...

Monitor is spelled with an O...and your doesn't mean you are. perhaps you could tell him he's wrong without the lame insults :\\
 
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ForceCalibur

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Originally posted by: Maskirovka
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
POS LCD. 25 MS response time? your gonna want to kill yourself playing FPSs.
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You should kill yourself because your a idiot.

Go plug your moniter
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lmfao...nice suggestion...

Monitor is spelled with an O...and your doesn't mean you are. perhaps you could tell him he's wrong without the lame insults :\\
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Lol as expected. People will always defend what they have, regardless of unbiased reviews.

Ofcourse, this IS A POS MONITOR w/ POS RESPONSE TIME. Hey, if you say Sh*t isn't Sh*t, nothing I can say will change your mind, heh.

And no, not all 25ms gets ghosting, but ALOT OF THEM DO.
 
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bluey

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Ok, so I should take it back. Should I get a different one? How much will a good lcd cost me that can run games without ghosting? Can I run them at 1600x1200?
 
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Nebor

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Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
Originally posted by: Maskirovka
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
POS LCD. 25 MS response time? your gonna want to kill yourself playing FPSs.
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You should kill yourself because your a idiot.

Go plug your moniter
Click to expand...

lmfao...nice suggestion...

Monitor is spelled with an O...and your doesn't mean you are. perhaps you could tell him he's wrong without the lame insults :\\
Click to expand...

Lol as expected. People will always defend what they have, regardless of unbiased reviews.

Ofcourse, this IS A POS MONITOR w/ POS RESPONSE TIME. Hey, if you say Sh*t isn't Sh*t, nothing I can say will change your mind, heh.

And no, not all 25ms gets ghosting, but ALOT OF THEM DO.
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So, after admitting this, then you must have personally used this monitor before to make the judgement that you did. Right?
 
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Nebor

Lifer
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Originally posted by: bluey
Ok, so I should take it back. Should I get a different one? How much will a good lcd cost me that can run games without ghosting? Can I run them at 1600x1200?
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No, only 20" or bigger LCDs do 1600x1200. I'd take it in and trade for an NEC 1755 with the cool plastic cover on the front. It's 16ms and scratch resistant, and it looks pretty nice. No DVI though.
 
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ForceCalibur

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I dont have to have used a Geforce FX5200 or a Radeon 9600SE to know their crap. By your logic, we should all discount reviews on the internet, buy every thing to see which we like best, and return the rest?
 
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Maskirovka

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if it's at all possible that a CRT will fit in your dorm, just get a 19" one...though they are pretty big. the best thing to do (especially since you'll be saving money on a CRT anyway) is to just get a loft for your dorm room...then you can have a gigantic monitor for less $$ than a LCD and you won't have to worry about all the LCD BS
 
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Gurck

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Oh and LCD's have a preset resolution deal (sry I forgot what its called), does that mean you cant play games at 1600x1200 (or anything above that preset resolution)?
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LCDs have native resolutions - resolutions in which they look best, by far. If you were to get one with a native res of 16x12 you'd likely have to get an x800 or 6800 to run even semi-new games with any kind of eye candy turned on. If you lower the resolution, image quality suffers on an LCD. At the risk of getting Nebor mad, I'm going to suggest staying with a CRT unless you travel with your pc a lot or have extremely limited space. Have the folks spend the money they save on a new video card :D
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
Originally posted by: Maskirovka
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
POS LCD. 25 MS response time? your gonna want to kill yourself playing FPSs.
Click to expand...

You should kill yourself because your a idiot.

Go plug your moniter
Click to expand...

lmfao...nice suggestion...

Monitor is spelled with an O...and your doesn't mean you are. perhaps you could tell him he's wrong without the lame insults :\\
Click to expand...

Lol as expected. People will always defend what they have, regardless of unbiased reviews.

Ofcourse, this IS A POS MONITOR w/ POS RESPONSE TIME. Hey, if you say Sh*t isn't Sh*t, nothing I can say will change your mind, heh.

And no, not all 25ms gets ghosting, but ALOT OF THEM DO.
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So, after admitting this, then you must have personally used this monitor before to make the judgement that you did. Right?
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Okay, waking up eary in the morning doesnt help. Most decent LCDs aren't going to ghost. I am interested in which LCDs ForceCalibur currently owns. I wonder if he's even seen or used the current LCD. Hmm, I wonder... My suggestion would be to plug the moniter in to a computer you have a run a ghosting test. Have you tried moniter's direct? Try that ghosting test and see if you can find some games.
 
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ForceCalibur

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The only LCD I own is a Dell 2001FP. After doing tons of research and reading about people's issues with ghosting on lower response time monitors (and I admit, some people DIDN'T, but enough did), I decided to go with this one. I also own a Dell P991 (19 inch CRT), on my Gaming rig. My LCD is on my Folding/HTPC rig. If you read some reviews, you'll see thta this monitor is terrible. Low IQ and graphical artifacts...
 
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Nebor

Lifer
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Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
The only LCD I own is a Dell 2001FP. After doing tons of research and reading about people's issues with ghosting on lower response time monitors (and I admit, some people DIDN'T, but enough did), I decided to go with this one. I also own a Dell P991 (19 inch CRT), on my Gaming rig. My LCD is on my Folding/HTPC rig. If you read some reviews, you'll see thta this monitor is terrible. Low IQ and graphical artifacts...
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Ghosting generally becomes less prevelant with lower response times.

And you admitted above that some 25ms panels do not ghost. To relate that to video cards would be like saying some 9200se boxes have 9800 Pro's inside. If that were a possibility, then you couldn't condemn everything single 9200se, unless you'd opened the box. You should reread my earlier post, you have a reading comprehension problem. Read what I quoted in the above post, and then see how my post relates to it. It's usually how this "message board" thing works.
 
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ForceCalibur

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I think YOU have a serious reading comprehension problem. If you read a little more carefully, you'll notice I'm commenting on how you claim to have to HAVE the item in question to make judgement. I'm saying, after reading a host of terrible reviews for this particular monitor, I'm going to go ahead and safely say this is a bad monitor. What does this have to do with response times? My original post, if you haven't read a little more carefully stated. This is POS Monitor: TRUE. The Response time is 25ms, thus an FPS should STAY AWAY FROM IT. I don't care that you have a 25 ms LCD and have gotten lucky with one that doesn't ghost, but like you have been criticizing in the X800PRo thread, that'd be like suggesting to someone to buy an X800PRO because they have a CHANCE it will be an X800XT.
 
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MrPabulum

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Originally posted by: bluey
Ok, so I should take it back. Should I get a different one? How much will a good lcd cost me that can run games without ghosting? Can I run them at 1600x1200?
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The only high quality LCD that Best Buy sells is the Samsung 213T. It is expensive, but it does offer excellent performance and 1600 x 1200 resolution. LG Flatrons aren't bad either, but they're too expensive. Go to Dell's website and get either the Dell 2001FP, Viewsonic VP171B or NEC 1760NX. They're all reasonably priced, and should fit your requirements.
 
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Nebor

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Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
I think YOU have a serious reading comprehension problem. If you read a little more carefully, you'll notice I'm commenting on how you claim to have to HAVE the item in question to make judgement. I'm saying, after reading a host of terrible reviews for this particular monitor, I'm going to go ahead and safely say this is a bad monitor. What does this have to do with response times? My original post, if you haven't read a little more carefully stated. This is POS Monitor: TRUE. The Response time is 25ms, thus an FPS should STAY AWAY FROM IT. I don't care that you have a 25 ms LCD and have gotten lucky with one that doesn't ghost, but like you have been criticizing in the X800PRo thread, that'd be like suggesting to someone to buy an X800PRO because they have a CHANCE it will be an X800XT.
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Go back and read my first post. You admitted that some 25ms monitors were ok, but you condemned this monitor not having tried it.

Admittedly, this is a crappy monitor, but you're still just...
 
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gcogger

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I'd strongly recommend trying the LCD you've got with some games, before making a decision. The ghosting is a real issue for some people but not for others. For example, I've played fast-paced FPS games on a 40ms (yes 40!) LCD, and had no problem. I guess I'm lucky :)
 
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VisableAssassin

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Originally posted by: gcogger
I'd strongly recommend trying the LCD you've got with some games, before making a decision. The ghosting is a real issue for some people but not for others. For example, I've played fast-paced FPS games on a 40ms (yes 40!) LCD, and had no problem. I guess I'm lucky :)
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Correct.

Try it first you may be very surprised. if it works for you and does a nice job keep it :)
worste case use it as a dual monitor :)
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: ForceCalibur
Originally posted by: Tabb
The Dell 2001FP certainly seems like a horrible LCD...

Another review...

Alot of reviews...

Yea... I am sure you own a Dell 2001 FP
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Not sure if you didn't read my post correctly or how are you linking to those positive reviews proving that I DONT have a 2001FP? :confused:
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The only LCD I own is a Dell 2001FP. After doing tons of research and reading about people's issues with ghosting on lower response time monitors (and I admit, some people DIDN'T, but enough did), I decided to go with this one. I also own a Dell P991 (19 inch CRT), on my Gaming rig. My LCD is on my Folding/HTPC rig. If you read some reviews, you'll see thta this monitor is terrible. Low IQ and graphical artifacts...
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Since I've found some positive reviews maybe you can dig up some negative ones?
 
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ForceCalibur

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Sorry, I should have made myself clear. I was referring to the reviews on the VA720, just contrasting reviews w/ decisions and why I would judge that LCD based on reviews and not having one myself first hand. The Dell obviously has none of those problems, or I would not have bought one, would be crazy to :)
 
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