Parents Damage Kids' Credit Standing

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Parents Damage Kids' Credit Standing

By MARTHA IRVINE

The Associated Press


CHICAGO (AP) - It was her first credit card application, or so she thought, prompted by an offer on her Ohio college campus for a free T-shirt.

But a rejection letter uncovered troubling news - someone had already opened four credit cards in her name and racked up $50,000 in debt.

That someone, it turns out, was her father.

``I couldn't believe it,'' says the young woman, who asked not to be named for fear of humiliating her father, who was never charged criminally.

Now 25 and living in Chicago, she says she knew her father was struggling financially after his divorce from her mother and the failure of his restaurant. But she never imagined he'd fill out credit card applications sent to his home in her name. ``He completely violated my trust and my privacy and my future,'' she says.

With the proliferation of credit cards, experts say parents who've botched their own finances are increasingly tempted to dip into their children's credit. As co-signers, all they need is a birth date and Social Security number.

``I've seen it happen a lot - and the damage it takes to correct it is tremendous,'' says Howard Dvorkin, president of Florida-based Consolidated Credit Counseling Services. ``These people don't go in with the intention of screwing up their kids' credit. The problem is, old habits are hard to break.''

In some cases, law enforcement is stepping in. Last month, a father from Billings, Mont., was sentenced to five years in prison for charging $12,000 to credit cards in his daughter's name.

Some parents put bills - cable TV, utilities - in their kids' names.

That's what Teena Touch, a 28-year-old Los Angeles resident, says her father did.

``It started with my summer jobs - checks my dad was supposed to deposit but never did,'' says Touch, whose father was convicted of embezzlement in 1993.

Dionicio Campos, a 29-year-old Chicagoan, says he's been stuck untangling the trouble caused by his mother's ex-boyfriend and others using his Social Security number.

``I'm sure a 17-year-old kid isn't worrying about his mom taking his stuff from him - but maybe he should,'' Campos says.

Overall, identity theft and credit card fraud have reached an ``epidemic level,'' says Carl Pergola, national director of fraud investigations for accounting firm BDO Seidman.

Vital information, he says, is stolen by everyone from parents to co-workers to hucksters who post fake job listings or run other schemes.

He says young people whose parents have money problems should consider running regular credit reports - and request that the three major credit agencies notify them when new accounts are opened in their name.

Last year, the Federal Trade Commission says, 6 percent of the 86,168 people who reported identity theft to the agency said a family member was responsible. Joanna Crane, an attorney who manages the FTC's identity theft program, says those figures are ``only the tip of the iceberg,'' since many cases go unreported or are reported directly to credit providers.

Even if parents aren't stealing credit, experts say young people whose parents are bad money managers should still seek help with their finances - even for simple matters like creating a monthly budget.

``Parents don't realize that their bad financial habits are being passed on to their kids,'' says Michelle Hoesly, a member of the Million Dollar Round Table, an organization of finance professionals.

For children whose parents have abused their credit, the options include paying off the debt in big chunks or filing a complaint that could send the parent to jail. ``Those choices are not very good,'' Dvorkin says.

Not wanting to file a complaint against her dad, the 25-year-old woman from Chicago persuaded him to consolidate the $50,000 credit-card debt and pay it off by having his wages garnished.

Meanwhile, she had $30,000 in students loans of her own.

``I worried about everything - 'Am I going to be able to get a car when I graduate?' 'Am I going to be able to get an apartment?' 'Am I going to find someone who's going to want to marry someone with $80,000 debt?''' she says.

Her father, now a city bus driver, declined to comment. But five years later, the debt is finally gone.

Now married and working in marketing for a health care company, the young woman says she learned a valuable lesson: ``Now I pay off my credit card every month.''

On the Net:

FTC information on identity theft: http://www.consumer.gov/idtheft/
 

geno

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Wow, what a bastard :|

My mom co-signed me to her acct when I was 17 to help build my credit early :) glad this crap didn't happen
 

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Thats sad, but has been going on for years. She can easily clear her name though. But the hassle will be a pain in the butt. Some parents just don't get it.
 

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Originally posted by: geno
Wow, what a bastard :|

My mom co-signed me to her acct when I was 17 to help build my credit early :) glad this crap didn't happen

I was informed that when you receive a card under your parent's account, it has absolutely no bearing on your own credit history, only theirs.
 

Moonbeam

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Probably the result of creeping Libertarianism and the Cult of the Individual.
 

Kevin

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: geno
Wow, what a bastard :|

My mom co-signed me to her acct when I was 17 to help build my credit early :) glad this crap didn't happen

I was informed that when you receive a card under your parent's account, it has absolutely no bearing on your own credit history, only theirs.

Yup because you're underage I believe. I remember when someone stole out Discover Card from the mail and made a cash advance. When my dad got his credit reports, there was nothing for me, just my name listed as a card holder...
 

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Suppose this has occurred, how might one go about fixing this problem?

Also, how might one go about preventing this from happening again in the future. For instance, prevent one's parents from taking out a loan in one's name again without one knowing about it except by accident over Thanksgiving?
 

Freejack2

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Time to bring back the debters prison.:|

Umm iirc debtors prison was where they rounded up the debtor and their family, and put them in jail until they could pay the debt.
rolleye.gif
 

Smaulz

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Happened to me all through childhood/teens. My parents suck... :|
I'm still payin for that crap....
 

CraigRT

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Originally posted by: geno
Wow, what a bastard :|

My mom co-signed me to her acct when I was 17 to help build my credit early :) glad this crap didn't happen

Same for me... 'cept 18 here.. heh
thats really bunk....
rolleye.gif
:disgust:
 

Gaard

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Must be that the banks can't figure out how to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: Freejack2
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Time to bring back the debters prison.:|

Umm iirc debtors prison was where they rounded up the debtor and their family, and put them in jail until they could pay the debt.
rolleye.gif

Then it should be modernized; only the debtor goes to prison:)
 

tcsenter

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Wow, you have to be pretty low snake in the grass to steal from your own kids for crying out loud. I never heard of this until now. I've heard of kids stealing from their parents, but not parents committing identity theft against their children. JEEZ! I suppose its not all that far off from using your kids to shoplift for you.
Umm iirc debtors prison was where they rounded up the debtor and their family, and put them in jail until they could pay the debt.
The constitutional protection against imprisoning people for unpaid debts applies only to LEGALLY incurred debts. If you commit fraud by stealing someone's identity, that's a seperate issue and is obviously prosecutable.

The problem in these situations is that one family member is not always willing to testify or file charges against the other. Prosecutors have gotten to trial before, only to have the 'victim' completely reverse their testimony on the stand, telling the jury that they had given the family member permission to use their credit card, or to obtain credit in their name. It then becomes a civil action, not a criminal one.
 

Dacalo

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how low can a human being go? sheesh a person's own father.... he doesnt deserve to have children
 

SSP

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Originally posted by: Dacalo
how low can a human being go? sheesh a person's own father.... he doesnt deserve to have children

Ditto.

Thats disgusting.
 

ElFenix

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that just ain't right

what libertarianism has to do with this i don't know...
 

JellyBaby

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what libertarianism has to do with this i don't know...
Absolutely nothing.

Hopefully this isn't the "tip of the iceburg". This is sick but I just can't image many parents pulling this scam on their kids. Babies makin' babies I guess.