Paranoid re Writes to my SSD

[Cerb]

If files you open get into having many small fragments, like say a 20MB database with 1000+ fragments, defragging, be it from a program to do that, or jury-rigged methods (backup, move, copy back, delete old files), can even help with SSDs.

Only a small % of users, using specific poorly optimized software (I know of two from Intuit...), will ever reach that point, even with nearly full drives.

So, yeah, just don't worry about. What fragmentation you have is mitigated in large part by NCQ, when the fragments need to be stitched together for a single large read.

 

[Virgorising]

So if we aren't talking about defragging SSDs, what exactly are these percentages that you're using to diagnose your drive's health?

Again, in this event, this is not about conventional defragging. Pls use the links and you (being smart esp) will get a better handle.

I am chasing these data to assess in every possible way. It's a journey to clarity.

If you want to write 130+ GB of data to your drive just to see a small percentage in perfectdisk increase, go ahead, it's your drive, and your time and whatnot, but it sounds like you're already doing the most important things for your SSD : 1) Leaving free space 2) Enabling TRIM 3) Not writing too much more than an average of 10 GB/day If I were in the same position as you, I wouldn't worry about it.

Many, Many thanks for this!!! I am doing all of the above, even including, the often big uTube videos I download, convert and burn don't add up to 10GBs. The rest I knew going in and have been in place from the get. I make sure the drive is never occupied beyond 131 GBs (out of officially 240, more like 233) for long. This is why I convert and burn the videos and delete them as opposed to retaining them in the system.

Thanks again!

 

[Virgorising]

If files you open get into having many small fragments, like say a 20MB database with 1000+ fragments, defragging, be it from a program to do that, or jury-rigged methods (backup, move, copy back, delete old files), can even help with SSDs.

Only a small % of users, using specific poorly optimized software (I know of two from Intuit...), will ever reach that point, even with nearly full drives.

So, yeah, just don't worry about. What fragmentation you have is mitigated in large part by NCQ, when the fragments need to be stitched together for a single large read.

More intelligence from Cerb!:biggrin: Is the fact that the boot files are no longer at the front of the drive a factor? If not, I am still stuck in the shoulds and oughts for spinners in this element.

Boot files in Perfect Disk are depicted (in my chosen color scheme) in lavender, pls see the screenie I put up.

 

[Virgorising]

Hah, I am improving re writes!

If I SNAP,:sneaky: I will implement my insane fresh clone from fully optimized backup mechanical drive plan.

All this BRILLIANT input is deeply appreciated!!!

 

[Cerb]

Is the fact that the boot files are no longer at the front of the drive a factor?

No. With an SSD, there's no armature. The worst case is for all data you need to be on the same die (and plane, now), but in different blocks. Even that shouldn't be too slow, on most drives. That kind of case will also be pretty rare, at least insofar as causing any real wait times, outside of heavily loaded DBMSes.

 

[Virgorising]

No. With an SSD, there's no armature. The worst case is for all data you need to be on the same die (and plane, now), but in different blocks. Even that shouldn't be too slow, on most drives. That kind of case will also be pretty rare, at least insofar as causing any real wait times, outside of heavily loaded DBMSes.

O!!!! Who else would know this, and the WHY OF IT.... cept YOU?:biggrin:

Thanks so much!!!!!!:thumbsup::wub:
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PS: Obviously, when the system is idle, TRIM augmented by/in concert with Perfect Disk SSD optimizer engage, and the percentage shown in PD goes up. If I left this system on when I am not home, or when I am asleep (however rarely), it would go up dramatically. But, I don't do either, nor, will I ever.
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PPS: I am now, finally getting, I was stuck in the drive map visual paradigm I got used to over years and years of using only mechanical drives! Just that I am getting that....is HUGE.

 

[Virgorising]

Only a small % of users, using specific poorly optimized software (I know of two from Intuit...), will ever reach that point, even with nearly full drives.

Cerb? I am dying of curiosity...are you at liberty to identify these culprits? I use Turbotax, always liked it....but maybe, I've been living in a fool's paradise.

 

[Cerb]

Cerb? I am dying of curiosity...are you at liberty to identify these culprits? I use Turbotax, always liked it....but maybe, I've been living in a fool's paradise.

Quickbooks Pro and Drake, as used year after year by a CPA, for clients. I can't speak to the very latest versions, but up into 2012's, they both committed changes small bits at a time, and Windows/NTFS did nothing to keep that from causing lots of fragmentation, which could also cause the accounts to take tens of seconds to load. Simply copying the directories is all it took to defrag them sufficiently.

 

[Virgorising]

Quickbooks Pro and Drake, as used year after year by a CPA, for clients. I can't speak to the very latest versions, but up into 2012's, they both committed changes small bits at a time, and Windows/NTFS did nothing to keep that from causing lots of fragmentation, which could also cause the accounts to take tens of seconds to load. Simply copying the directories is all it took to defrag them sufficiently.

Wow. Thanks! I am relieved that this doesn't seem to involve their software written for nonprofessionals, i.e., Turbotax. But who would know to copy the directories to repair this serious issue in the apps in question?

 

[Cerb]

Wow. Thanks! I am relieved that this doesn't seem to involve their software written for nonprofessionals, i.e., Turbotax. But who would know to copy the directories to repair this serious issue in the apps in question?

It's an ages-old trick, and is used by most programs to keep documents from getting fragmented too badly in the first place. Word and Excel, FI, completely replace your files when you save them. Most other programs that modify files a lot do so in sizable chunks, if not the whole file, so they might replace the last several hundred KBs, or a few MBs, instead of only writing just the smallest chunks of newer data.

 

[Virgorising]

It's an ages-old trick, and is used by most programs to keep documents from getting fragmented too badly in the first place. Word and Excel, FI, completely replace your files when you save them. Most other programs that modify files a lot do so in sizable chunks, if not the whole file, so they might replace the last several hundred KBs, or a few MBs, instead of only writing just the smallest chunks of newer data.

Well! It's a trick I had no clue about! Nor, did I know the Office apps did that either! You......are some kinda cornucopia of info, bet 98% of humanity has no clue about.:thumbsup:

 

[DigDog]

my stats

errors and 8% of life already gone. i'm not sure what that means, how would a SSD with 50% life perform?

have had the drive for more or less 8 months.

 

[XavierMace]

my stats

errors and 8% of life already gone. i'm not sure what that means, how would a SSD with 50% life perform?

have had the drive for more or less 8 months.

Good god, you've written 13Tb of data to a 60Gb in 8 months. What are you doing to that thing?

Edit: Out of the dozen or so SSD's I've owned, the Kingston was by far the crappiest. Just saying...

 

[Cerb]

errors

What errors? I see none in your SMART values.

and 8% of life already gone.

It's not like you haven't used it, with 13TB written...

i'm not sure what that means, how would a SSD with 50% life perform?

Same as one with 100% or 1%. Until uncorrectable errors and re-allocated sectors start increasing over time, it's alright (and where did that 1 re-allocated sector on mine come from, anyway?!).

 

[Virgorising]

Sigh. So embarrassing that interpreting SSD Diagnostics re the details vs the holistic pronouncements, continues to elude me.:'( HATE that!!!!

 

[Omar F1]

Well, you aren't alone
I moved the Internet Explorer cache folder to an HDD even I know it's a rapidly-developing tech, and that I'd replace them after a few years anyway.

 

[Virgorising]

Well, you aren't alone
I moved the Internet Explorer cache folder to an HDD even I know it's a rapidly-developing tech, and that I'd replace them after a few years anyway.

Many thanks for this. Bad enuff I am now editing my utube downloads rather than just getting them all as I always did......but move the IE cache....come on. We are bigger than these wee drives! MUCH BIGGER. And our brains are far superior to flash! Plus, we can ambulate!
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If I weren't compulsive along with being paranoid, I would stop running the app altogether.