oh! i bought an old p2 or 3 one here a year or so back, it still works great. and i have seen a video of one being shot, and the bullet not going through. they are amazeing! i got mine with a p2 or p3 (dont remember, was a gift to a friend) with a 10 gig hd and good battery for less than $100. its a little slow, but it works great and is tough as nails, has been travleing around yellowstone as her computer for writing articals and doing work stuff for a year. i love the design of this one, really easy access to the hd and memory and a big steel handle to carry around its 10lbs of weight with.