Panasonic Full HD Camcorder - $229 shipped

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marmasatt

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Thanks for posting. Anyone have any feedback. Nice to see 16 Gig internal memory. How many AVI clips or whatever format is that? (In hours say?)

I was going to post this model at CC. It's a toshiba HD model with 1080P for under $200 ($179): http://www.circuitcity.com/applicati...4-_-circuit324

Funny to see HD cams to come down to miniDV prices in like two years...
 

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I bought this camcorder from B&H a couple of weeks ago. I just sent in a review but it hasn't been posted yet. In summary, I really like it as an entry-level, no frills camcorder. It is extremely small and light. I can carry it in my cargo pants pocket and not be weighted down. For the price, the video quality is very good. Forget about the photo quality. It is not much better than a cell phone camera, if at all. You do give up some features that give you a better user experience (no automatic lens cap, can't charge battery and using AC adapter at the same time, touch screen menu is not accurate, etc.) but those features do not contribute to better video quality, and therefore, are not deal breakers for me. The included software, however, is terrible. I am too lazy to read the manual and I can't figure out how to do anything in it. I only use it to transfer files to the PC and then switch to Pinnacle Studio for editing.

About the video file.... It is not AVI. It is AVCHD. The same compression as BluRay. The files are small but extremely demanding on the PC. On my dual core Athlon 4580e desktop, playback using WMP pegs the CPUs nearly 100% and sometimes the playback stutters. I solved the problem by using MPC HD + K-Lite codec pack for playback. It uses GPU hardware acceleration. However, editing with Studio still stutters badly as it uses its own non-accelerated codec. Fortunately, on my high-end T400 ThinkPad laptop I have no problem playing back with WMP and editing in Studio. The lesson here is that if you want to go HD video, you better have enough CPU power to deal with it.
 
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txlonghorn

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Looks like the Toshiba unit comes with mini HDMI to HDMI cable and a remote control (from the picture). Those are 2 things the Panasonic unit does not have. Also, the battery charger looks less clunky. That is another gripe I have against the Panny unit.
 

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Thanks for the informative post Longhorn. Now buy the other one and give us a synopsis : /
 

txlonghorn

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Thanks for the informative post Longhorn. Now buy the other one and give us a synopsis : /

I spent weeks researching, buying and then returning camcorders before settling on the Panny unit. I am not about to do that again. I'll let someone else do the leg work. I do have some final thoughts from my purchasing odyssey.

I returned a $600 Canon unit after 1 week of use. It is a nice unit with lots of features. But, I can't perceive $350 worth of improvement in video quality. In fact, I can't perceive ANY difference in video quality between the Canon, JVC and this Panny unit. I am sure there are measurable differences using scientific equipment, but I can't see them, so there is no point to pay for a more $$$ camcorder.

My primary purpose for the camcorder is to preserve and playback memories; kids' birthday parties, recitals, performances, etc. Most of the times, the video will be shot in-door in low-light. Unless you go really high-end, none of the entry level camcorders will perform that well. I am OK with that. It is memory that is important to me, not the faithful reproduction of the color imaging. Given that we are talking camcorders in the $200 range, I am guessing no one is going to shoot independent film with it. They SHOULD all perform pretty similarly. I doubt anyone can really tell the difference unless they compare video clips side-by-side, frame-by-frame, like they do at the review sites.
 

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The HDC-TM15 has somewhat fewer pixels and a smaller sensor than other '1080 HD' camcorders. Theoretically, of course, 1920x1080 res should mean over 2.07 megapixels, but many HD camcorders below $500 have more like one and a half megapixels. This Panasonic has 1.47 megapixels total but an effective sensitivity of 1.17.

It would be nice if 720p recording were an option, given the sensor limitations; one would at least eat up less storage that way.

The optical zoom and stabilisation seem good for its class.

Right, but this camera costs less than $230 currently at Amazon, B&H, 6th Ave... There aren't a lot of reviews, but no one seems to feel this is a bad camera, and you can see some footage on YouTube. The camera started out at $500 and probably isn't comparable to Canons or Sonys round that price range, but I don't know of anything remotely like as good in this price range.

I expect I'll pick up one for the pater; Father's Day approaches!
 

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Bought it. Pulled the trigger at Amazon, as B&H observes the Sabbath, and I've an Amazon Visa which earns equivalent of 3 per cent cash back.
 
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