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Palm trembles: new monochrome iPAQ H3150..$349

NFS4

NFS4

No Lifer
Take that Palm!! 🙂



<< Available immediately for the first time in the U.S. and Canada, the
monochrome-screen iPAQ Pocket PC H3150 offers most of the same features as
the extraordinarily popular H3600 Series, at the lowest price of any Pocket
PC on the market ? $349(1). The iPAQ Pocket PC H3100 Series also provides
the same powerful wireless capabilities of the color version in a
value-based model with a crisp, 15-grayscale monochrome screen, underscoring
the company's commitment to redefine the way the Internet is being used by
creating leading-edge Internet access devices.&quot; >>



Key differences:

$150 cheaper
15-color grayscale
10% longer battery life
16MB RAM instead of 32MB
Slightly different software configuration

Everything else is the same including the sweet 206MHz StrongARM processor 😀
 
hmm what is the biggest memory available in a palm? and best available palm processor? does sound like it might be commpetitive, if it looks good, and works like a palm, people who have older palms, might switch up to it....
 
Correct me if I am wrong (as if there were any doubts that you might not 😉)...

Comparing 16mb on an iPAQ with 8mb on a Palm/Visor is like comparing apples to oranges, since they use the memory differently. For instance the OS of an iPAQ automatically uses more memory than Palm OS, as do the other applications.
 


<< Comparing 16mb on an iPAQ with 8mb on a Palm/Visor is like comparing apples to oranges, since they use the memory differently. >>


I never compared the two...I just stated how much mem the Palms had.
 
Oh, I know you weren't, NFS.

This new iPAQ is very interesting, though. I'll be getting a pda in the next month or so, and was very much considering the $500 iPAQ. The only thing holding me back was the pricetag, so I was considering the Visor Platinum at $300. Now, you're telling me that I only need to spend another $50 to get an iPAQ.

You aren't making this easy for me. :|
 
What the hell man, they can't even make enough of the real version, and now they're diverting resources to make a crappy version? Do they have more profit margin on the crappy version or something?
 
Hehe, PocketPC's shall rule the world and take over if Palm doesn't get out of their 160x160 card board box 😀

Hell, Buy.com now has a Compaq section carrying the iPAQ including ALL available accessories. Throw in the $30 coupon and you've got a SWEET deal 😛 They don't have the 3150 yet, but they should soon.
 


<< What the hell man, they can't even make enough of the real version, and now they're diverting resources to make a crappy version? Do they have more profit margin on the crappy version or something? >>


It's not a crappy version. I wouldn't call the M100 the crappy version of the Palm line. It's just a more cost effective solution. Not everyone needs 32MB RAM and a color screen...
 


<< It's not a crappy version. I wouldn't call the M100 the crappy version of the Palm line. It's just a more cost effective solution. Not everyone needs 32MB RAM and a color screen... >>



And not everyone needs a windows CE device 😉
 
shoot, i'm thinking of getting the motorola vulcan cell, for wireless web, but i get service thru verizon, and verizon is really really bad.... but you are right about how they use the resources available, like those little &quot;date book things&quot; with 512k mem and stuff, because the &quot;OS&quot; is embeded it doesn't use any of that 512 to operate. right? if i am right, do the palms &quot;OS's&quot; operate in the same manner? and if they do use seprate chip/mem for OS then they are in a different class than the Palm pc's still, much lower tech, but better idea.
 
Good to see some competition. Without Jeff Hawkins there, it seems that Palm is wandering a bit. The monochrome iPaq is still too expensive though, and I am just wondering what you can do with a 16 MB PocketPC machine.

So:

Microsoft still needs to slim down the OS and make it more efficient. Unfortunately, PocketPC is still bloatware.

Palm needs to beef up the OS, and get a higher resolution screen.

Somewhere in between iPaq and Palm would probably make a lot more people happy I think. Well, it would make me happier anyway. I probably won't buy a new machine until I get something like that. I doubt Microsoft will do that, so I'm hoping for beefed-up Palm a couple of generations from now.
 


<< I am just wondering what you can do with a 16 MB PocketPC machine. >>


There's nothing wrong 16MB. The Casio EM-500 is 16MB and it is a big hit.


<< Microsoft still needs to slim down the OS and make it more efficient. Unfortunately, PocketPC is still bloatware. >>


Nothing bloated about it. I'm using 4.45 MB of memory and I have about 25 apps installed, all my contacts/appointments, and 15 Avantgo Channels.

I've still got PLENTY of space left😀
 
NFS4 - Since Palm OS increased their market share last year (2000) and since the monocrome iPac is about $50 more than the monocrome Palm/Handsprings ($200 more compared to the M100), and since it is $20 more than the colour IIIc, I doubt that Palm is quaking in their books.

Michael
 
I don't think I'll ever quite understand the fascination and uses of these PDAs...

If I ever get one it'll have to be close to the price of a pocket notebook.

Just bump the decimal over to the left two places $3.49 🙂
 


<< I doubt that Palm is quaking in their books. >>


If they aren't, then they are STUPID. You just don't sit back and be content when you're competitors are breathing down your neck. You ever read the book Big Blues about Microsoft raping IBM? 🙂
 
As an ex-Palm owner, now PocketPC owner, I say good job Compaq. The price has been one of the things scaring off many people from using PocketPCs.

The Palm vs. PocketPC war is just a regular constant of life. Like Mac vs. Windows. The Darkside vs. The Force. Whatever.

I loved my Palm for the time I had it, and do miss many of the things it could do. I love my Casio for many of the things it CAN do, now. I loved my Newton when I had it, and probably will love the next one I get (be it Palm, if they ever get their act together and ADVANCE rather than stagnate) or PocketPC (which has quite a lot of shortcomings, I will admit, but suits what I want out of a handheld device better than Palm did.)

My perfect Palm PC would be a little bigger, actually, than the ones that are out now. Like the size of a good paperback book. With interchangable OS's on it. So I could run Palm, or PPC, or Linux, or Apple or Be at my choice.

--Christopher
 


<< I don't think I'll ever quite understand the fascination and uses of these PDAs... If I ever get one it'll have to be close to the price of a pocket notebook. Just bump the decimal over to the left two places $3.49 >>

I used to lose my notebooks, and they aren't searchable. But you bring up a very good point. These things need to be CHEAP. I bought one of those mini-electronic organizers, and essentially those are crap. Then I checked out WinCE and Palm. WinCE had lots of features but was bloody expensive, and was unstable (better now). Palm was cheap, fast, efficient, and very versatile. So I bought a Palm after thinking about it for a year. But both will allow you to have FULL access to your entire contact database, with full synchronization with your desktop, etc. It's is extremely useful, and I don't know what I'd do without it. It's also nice to be able to get a business card beamed to you instead of having to type all the info in or stuff your wallet full of business cards. 😉


<< If they aren't, then they are STUPID. You just don't sit back and be content when you're competitors are breathing down your neck. >>

I'd have to agree with that. If the rumours are correct, then the new Palms are just tarted up colour versions. We need major platform changes. I hear the new OS supports ARM processors, but AFAIK there is no immediate plan to make use of that plan.

 
33MHz
Still 160x160

Think about the future!! Not the past. That is gonna be the death of them...the PC market is going down the tubes and PDA's doubled in sales/revenue last year vs. '99. People are gonna want more than the same old rehashed stuff over and over. People may fall for it once and hopefully not twice, but they aren't gonna keep doing it for too long. And the damn thing costs more than a color iPAQ. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight 😀
 
NFS4 - Palm OS is pulling away from PocketPC. I don't think the new monochrome iPac will compete well as it is more expensive than it's competition. It does not offer more functionality in the core PDA area and the faster processor means nothing for the vast majority of applications. While Compaq is trying to expand downwards (at higher cost), Plam OS is readying their next releases. Palm is not standing still and Microsoft's attempts to stem the tide have been failures so far.

Of course, the iPaq is still a nice machine, it just doesn't meet the target market requirements.

Michael
 
Palm doesn't plan support for ARM processors until Palm OS 5. Since they still have not released OS 4, yet, that's a ways off.

AFAIK, these &quot;new&quot; palms are still using a tweaked OS 3.5.1.

My BIGGEST problem with Palm (other than their stagnating): Graffiti. Give me back that real estate WASTED on the bottom of the screen with this input method. Make it software based, so it's a window that can pop up and down (the Newton could do it...)

Then I might think about them again.

--Christopher
 
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