Palin loses in Alaska, Democrats gain lone house seat for first time in decades.

[Fenixgoon]

I’ll give my answer
While I know ranked choice will likely yield more moderate choices which I think is a good thing. I do think the concept is more complicated for people to understand. Not sure if the added complexity is a good thing.

It's really not hard.
"Who do I like? 1/2/3/4/5"
Done.
The complexity, what little there is, is all on the tabulation side

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It's really not hard.
"Who do I like? 1/2/3/4/5"
Done.
The complexity, what little there is, is all on the tabulation side

It's about as complicated as 'the restaurant is out of mac and cheese, what do you want instead'. Most children have to figure this out by the time they can talk.

 

[ImpulsE69]

So, what I'm hearing is people don't like it because apparently most of the "Far-R"s never graduated 5th grade.

I mean seriously, what is complicated about it?

 

[uallas5]

It's about as complicated as 'the restaurant is out of mac and cheese, what do you want instead'. Most children have to figure this out by the time they can talk.

Was about to post it's like going to get takeout for a bunch of people pre-cell phone; "OK so if they're out of lo mein, what do want instead?"

 

[dlerious]

I figure we need ranked-choice voting to save democracy. But I'm not sure that particular system will pass muster with the Supreme Court. It appears I'm not the only one with that concern.

I think the safer way to do it is to have a top-two instant runoff jungle primary. Instant runoff is the same as this ranked-choice system. A "jungle primary" is one where all political parties agree to compete in a single, combined primary, like the one Alaska had. The difference is, if the ranked-choice system is used in the primary, it's more likely to pass muster with the Supreme Court, because it's not the final, official election; it's just an agreement among political parties.

Looks like Maine passed muster

Breyer rejects Republicans' plea to stop ranked-choice voting in Maine

The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a plea by Republicans in Maine to block the state from using ranked-choice voting in the upcoming presidential election. Justice Stephen Breyer, who handles […]

www.scotusblog.com

 

[dlerious]

RCV is actually more likely going to help Republicans after Dobbs. There is going to be crazy no exceptions Republican and a more sane 15 week Republican or Libertarian running against a Democrat in many elections.

A lot of the Republicans were anti abortion in the primary. There's been a few stories of candidates trying to scrub it from their web pages for the general.

 

[pcgeek11]

So...anti-change, anti-progress even if it's an improvement. Seems like the epitome of conservatism tbh.

Having "been this way forever" is not a good reason to keep it when there are better options.

Better or not remains to be seen. But you are welcome to your opinion as well as I.

Change is not always better. Just so ya know.

 

[vi edit]

It's about as complicated as 'the restaurant is out of mac and cheese, what do you want instead'. Most children have to figure this out by the time they can talk.

Thank you.

To even drill into that, you just place an online order and pick your favorite thing, then your next favorite thing in case they are sold out. That's it.

We can go into technical discussion of trying to game the system, but that already exists in our primary format. I can register opposite party and try to swing a candidate.

 

[pcgeek11]

so not real reasons, just shaking your fist at change, how original!

And get off my fuckin lawn!

 

[K1052]

From what I've read people in Alaska were not really confused about the method of voting, they just intentionally left a lot of ballots blank after their first choice or went for Petola because they really didn't care for Palin. RCV will generally reward moderation (of all kinds) and alignment with the electorate's policy preferences overcoming raw partisanship. I definitely can think of one other very happy lady in Alaska right now.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And get off my fuckin lawn!

the hallmark of the out of touch, sounds about right!

 

[kage69]

I’ll give my answer
While I know ranked choice will likely yield more moderate choices which I think is a good thing. I do think the concept is more complicated for people to understand. Not sure if the added complexity is a good thing.

I don't know if having more influence and choice is a complicated, negative situation that will cause an adverse turnout among voters. It's not really that complicated, and has been put to good use in other democracies already. It doesn't matter what magats think of it, they already consider it rigging as it's delivered Trumpists defeats. The only valid elections are the ones they win after all.

I do know that if complexity is an issue, simplifying the general election to a popular vote would be the best place to start. Most Americans have zero understanding of the EC, and since it's proven useless against treasonous demagogues as well as heavily influenced by the census - which we saw politicized and hampered by Team Treason intentionally - removing it strengthens election integrity.

 

[kage69]

Looks like Maine passed muster

Breyer rejects Republicans' plea to stop ranked-choice voting in Maine

The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a plea by Republicans in Maine to block the state from using ranked-choice voting in the upcoming presidential election. Justice Stephen Breyer, who handles […]

www.scotusblog.com

Yep. Eat a bag Paul LePage.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm more of a traditionalist and old. I like what I am used too. I really don't see any inherent problems with it. Seems weird having everyone on the same ballot (Dems, Repubs and Independents).

I can respect this, lol.

 

[zinfamous]

Looks like Maine passed muster

Breyer rejects Republicans' plea to stop ranked-choice voting in Maine

The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a plea by Republicans in Maine to block the state from using ranked-choice voting in the upcoming presidential election. Justice Stephen Breyer, who handles […]

www.scotusblog.com

I'm confused.

There's an example out there where Republicans decided they suddenly need to demand federal power to step in and remove their state's right to determine their voting system?

Oh deary me! However will they square this with--ah fuck it. You know they don't give a fuck about message, integrity, an actual platform, or delivering anything, to anyone.

it's just histrionics and theater, everywhere, all the time. Distract from the lack of any actual work ever accomplished and well, the direct theft from your supporters while doing it, and just keep them mad about "whatever!" so that they keep feeding you power. That's it, really.

 

[theeedude]

A lot of the Republicans were anti abortion in the primary. There's been a few stories of candidates trying to scrub it from their web pages for the general.

Good luck with that.

 

[MtnMan]

It's about as complicated as 'the restaurant is out of mac and cheese, what do you want instead'. Most children have to figure this out by the time they can talk.

But pcgeek will just stomp his little feet, ball up his little hands and demand mac and cheese, cause he can't figure shit out.

 

[trenchfoot]

A lot of the Republicans were anti abortion in the primary. There's been a few stories of candidates trying to scrub it from their web pages for the general.

Typical Repub ploy where they go hard right to win primaries then swing a wee bit softer the other way to sucker some independents into voting R. Hypocrisy is not at all a problem so long as these Repub candidates stay on the red side of the fence. Hell they could stand on the fence and lean a bit their way and it's all good.

 

[HomerJS]

Of course they are. Forget the fact Palin list of the first ballot by 9 points vs the second by 3.5

Republicans are attacking ranked-choice voting after Sarah Palin lost her congressional bid in Alaska and vows to 'reload' in November (msn.com)

 

[hal2kilo]

But the election to determine who actually wins the seat for a full term occurs in November, am I right?

So, Sarah goes up against the woman who beat her, Democrat Mary Peltola, as well as fellow Republican Nick Begich III.

She gets another chance.

nm missed full term election

 

[pcgeek11]

But pcgeek will just stomp his little feet, ball up his little hands and demand mac and cheese, cause he can't figure shit out.

And here we go...

I know you just can't help yourself and your overwhelming need to insult people.

Please show me where I said it was complicated and I couldn't "figure it out"

This is what I stated so you don't have to go back and read:

I'm more of a traditionalist and old. I like what I am used too. I really don't see any inherent problems with it. Seems weird having everyone on the same ballot (Dems, Repubs and Independents).

 

[ch33zw1z]

And here we go...

I know you just can't help yourself and your overwhelming need to insult people.

Please show me where I said it was complicated and I couldn't "figure it out"

This is what I stated so you don't have to go back and read:

insulting people, that’s a problem? Weird, you voted for a guy with nothing but insults. So sounds like, once again, you don’t have a leg to stand on

https://imgur.com/hL1sN8x

https://imgur.com/bhYaHXr

 

[Bitek]

I agree we do need to get out of the two party only club.

Instituting ranked choice is far more realistic than any parliamentary system. Otherwise, the current system forces a two party system as a third party can only spoil.

 

[Amol S.]

Saw this on how the map would look like with Ranked Choice everywhere. So we know those on the right won't support it.

He actually is off by some margins in some states. MS and KS actually can be blue. Also..... what made him think Tennessee? TN actually voted numericaly and percent wise both more right of Texas in 2020. In what mind would one even think of Utah voting blue? Utah is the most populous safe red state, even more red than Texas. Alaska is also sorta one of those flippable states sorta, Biden actually lost by only 30K, quite a low margin loss historically.

 

[skyking]

Agreed that picture did not look remotely correct.