Palestinians won't accept less than full U.N. seat

JEDIYoda

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So the palestinians feel they are ENTITLED to a UN seat.....rofl..hahahaa...rofl.....:oops:

lets see struggles, sacrifices...by the entire??? Palestinian people??
I wonder what if malki received some of the same shrooms that lemon law is using...hmmmmm

So lets see there is a war in 1967 and after Israel has captured those lands the Palestinians want to form a state from those lands??:ninja:

OOpps we are sorry we didn`t mean to go to war and loose those lands....ooppss....:$

http://news.yahoo.com/palestinians-wont-accept-less-full-u-n-seat-155333420.html

AMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - The Palestinians will not accept anything less than full U.N. membership and do not want an upgrade to an observer state in the world body, their foreign minister said Thursday.

Riyad al-Malki's remarks suggested the Palestinians would not seek such an upgrade once their bid for full state membership meets its widely expected fate -- failure due to opposition from the United States and other governments.

Speaking to journalists in Ramallah, Malki said the Palestinians could have secured observer state status long ago and were not interested in it now. They currently hold the status of an observer entity at the United Nations.

"We do not want, after all of these struggles, sacrifices, and efforts by the entire Palestinian people, to accept an observer state in the United Nations. We will not accept less than we deserve: a full member state," he said.

If the Palestinian leadership, confronted by the failure of its bid for full membership, fails to seek the enhanced status of an "observer state," analysts said it would mark a retreat.

But they said Malki's remarks may not reflect the path President Mahmoud Abbas may take if the membership bid fails.

"This reads like a tactical move," said George Giacaman, a political analyst. "It could be directed toward the Americans, the Israelis, to show flexibility, but I would not view it as a final position."

The Palestinian bid for statehood recognition in the U.N. system has drawn fierce criticism and sanctions from the United States and from Israel, which in 1967 captured territory the Palestinians now seek for an independent country.

The U.S. Congress has frozen some $200 million in aid to the Palestinian Authority over its statehood quest. Israel this week froze duties it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority in response to its admission to the U.N. cultural agency UNESCO.

Malki said for now the Palestinians would not seek to join more U.N. agencies as a full member. "At this moment, we are not concerned with applying for membership for Palestine in the rest of the international organizations," he said.

FUNDING CUTOFF

UNESCO's vote in favor of Palestinian membership triggered an automatic cutoff in U.S. funding to the agency under U.S. law. The idea of the Palestinians joining more international agencies had raised the prospect of bodies such as the World Health Organization also losing their U.S. funding.

"The official Palestinian position is to concentrate only on the request for membership which we presented to the United Nations," Malki said.

Abbas applied for full U.N. membership for the state of Palestine on September 23 during the General Assembly in New York.

That request is currently being considered in the Security Council and its fate likely will be decided in mid-November. But the United States has already pledged to use its veto in the 15-nation council if the application is brought to a vote.

The Palestinians would score a moral victory and force Washington to cast its veto if they can muster nine votes to support them in the council. A council resolution needs nine votes in favor and no vetoes to pass.

Many U.N. diplomats believe the Palestinians can only command eight votes but their U.N. representative, Riyad Mansour, said Thursday the situation was still fluid.

"In the days to come, it will become clearer as to the position of each member of the Security Council," he told reporters. Mansour declined to say whether the Palestinians would push the issue to a vote in the council.

Both the United States and Israel say the Palestinian push in the United Nations is unilateral and an attempt to bypass peace talks, whose resumption Abbas has conditioned on an Israeli freeze of settlement activity in occupied territory.

The Palestinians say those negotiations have failed to bring them closer to the independent state they seek in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip. They say it is time to try a different approach.

The last round of peace talks collapsed last year.

Facing the prospect of a U.S. veto, Palestinian officials have said they could seek an upgrade to a "non-member state" -- an idea also suggested by French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

That could be won through a resolution in the General Assembly, where the Palestinians would likely glean the kind of support that secured their UNESCO membership.

They would then enjoy status equal to the Vatican and secure the all-important title of a state.

Addressing what would happen if they fail in their bid for full U.N. membership, Malki said: "We will repeat this experiment a second time, a third time and a fourth time until we reach that membership. We will not accept less than it."

Echoing Washington, Israel said Thursday it too would halt funding to UNESCO over the cultural agency's decision to grant the Palestinians full membership.
 

Jhhnn

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Why should they accept anything less than full UN membership or full integration into Israeli society?

The Israelis refer to the two state solution as what they want, even as their actions make it more impossible every day. It's a pretense to put a veneer of respectability on what they've been doing since the beginning, which is simply to take what they want in a slow motion version of Lebensraum. They have no intention of allowing the Pals anything more than the butts of their guns and their boots on the necks of the Pals, with ever diminishing Pal-istans who'll necessarily live on the dole of the international community for lack of resources.
 

Patranus

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Well, those terrorists can go fuck themselves.
The UN is a joke (well the UN is already a joke) if it gives the Palestinians membership in any form. Hell, the UN is laughable for even considering giving them membership.

Try election non terrorists to government and then get back to me.
 

sandorski

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Why should they accept anything less than full UN membership or full integration into Israeli society?

The Israelis refer to the two state solution as what they want, even as their actions make it more impossible every day. It's a pretense to put a veneer of respectability on what they've been doing since the beginning, which is simply to take what they want in a slow motion version of Lebensraum. They have no intention of allowing the Pals anything more than the butts of their guns and their boots on the necks of the Pals, with ever diminishing Pal-istans who'll necessarily live on the dole of the international community for lack of resources.

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cubby1223

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The Israelis refer to the two state solution as what they want,

You sure do have the knack of conveniently ignoring half the facts.

Israel's leaders have stated they want to create a two state solution only if it will achieve peace, and their belief that peace can only be achieved through direct negotiations, not by force. And Jerusalem will remain in Israel, not Palestine.

Whatever you want to believe will create peace, I don't care. That's what Netanyahu has stated.

If you're going to repeat what they want, make sure you completely repeat what they want, instead of only the one section that when broken apart gets your "win" on an internet forum.
 

Jhhnn

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The problem we have is Jhhnn believes that everything that happens is Israel`s fault.......the Palestinians can do no wrong!!

Standard false attribution. there have been a lot of wrongs on both sides. The Israelis have had the upper hand for decades. If they want Peace in a two state solution, they have but to honestly pursue it, give a little to have a chance at it. If it ever was their intention, which I doubt, it certainly is no longer. They are what they do, not what they say-

http://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files/download/20110612_btselem_map_of_wb_eng.pdf
 

sportage

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They all will still be fighting long after your kids, kids, kids, kids are living on Mars.
So who really cares...?
 

MagickMan

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"Giving a little" is fine. However, Israel turning the other cheek regarding suicide bombings and rocket attacks isn't part of the bargain. Get the Palestinians to stop bombing and attacking and I'm sure Israel would love to have some meaningful discussions.
 

JEDIYoda

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Standard false attribution. there have been a lot of wrongs on both sides. The Israelis have had the upper hand for decades. If they want Peace in a two state solution, they have but to honestly pursue it, give a little to have a chance at it. If it ever was their intention, which I doubt, it certainly is no longer. They are what they do, not what they say-

http://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files/download/20110612_btselem_map_of_wb_eng.pdf


Actually you and I both know that Israel has bent over backwards to accomodate the Palestinians.

The settlement issue is a smoke screen by the Palestinians in order to get the worlds sympathy.

Nice link but the group is hardly impartial....but hey I expect you to post such nonesense.

From returning land won through Arab aggression, to returning 1,000 prisoners for 1 israeli........

The sad thing is that the Palestinians are there own worse enemy....


The truth of the matter is -- Once Israel accepts the violence, peace can finally reign.
 

Jhhnn

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"Giving a little" is fine. However, Israel turning the other cheek regarding suicide bombings and rocket attacks isn't part of the bargain. Get the Palestinians to stop bombing and attacking and I'm sure Israel would love to have some meaningful discussions.

Oh, please. What the Pals do or don't do is immaterial to Israel's actions, with any resistance by the Pals merely serving as excuse and justification for more of the same. Israeli intentions are clear- they intend to take it all- one field, one house, one hillside at a time, talking as if they're not the whole while.

Deeds, not words, are the measure of true intentions.
 

KlokWyze

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Neither side is anywhere near perfect, but Israel has so much more power and all they do is take what they want, stoke the flames, etc., etc.

What does Palestine being a full UN member even get them?
 

kylebisme

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You sure do have the knack of conveniently ignoring half the facts.

Israel's leaders have stated they want to create a two state solution only if it will achieve peace, and their belief that peace can only be achieved through direct negotiations, not by force. And Jerusalem will remain in Israel, not Palestine.

Whatever you want to believe will create peace, I don't care. That's what Netanyahu has stated.
For a some examples of what Netanyahu says when he doesn't know the camara is rolling, see here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRBb6L2eY40
 

Jaskalas

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Technically they are a people on a separate piece of land without direct representation on the UN. The only real issue is their use of violence and the border dispute.

What are they if not their own nation, to what other nation do they belong?
 
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RampantAndroid

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Oh, please. What the Pals do or don't do is immaterial to Israel's actions, with any resistance by the Pals merely serving as excuse and justification for more of the same. Israeli intentions are clear- they intend to take it all- one field, one house, one hillside at a time, talking as if they're not the whole while.

Deeds, not words, are the measure of true intentions.

How many times has Israel given up land?

"Giving a little" is fine. However, Israel turning the other cheek regarding suicide bombings and rocket attacks isn't part of the bargain. Get the Palestinians to stop bombing and attacking and I'm sure Israel would love to have some meaningful discussions.

Exactly. If it were the US being bombed daily, we'd have mobilized the marines, landed them and started making the rounds of the country from which the attack originated. The Israelis are showing a lot of restraint with constant attacks. An attack originating from Palestine should be treated as an act of war and acted upon as such.
 

MagickMan

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Oh, please. What the Pals do or don't do is immaterial to Israel's actions, with any resistance by the Pals merely serving as excuse and justification for more of the same. Israeli intentions are clear- they intend to take it all- one field, one house, one hillside at a time, talking as if they're not the whole while.

Deeds, not words, are the measure of true intentions.

I guarantee if they stop attacking Israel will talk turkey with them, but the "Pals" don't want that. They hate Israel and want to keep waging war, that's why they shouldn't be an official country. EOD.
 

Throckmorton

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How many times has Israel given up land?



Exactly. If it were the US being bombed daily, we'd have mobilized the marines, landed them and started making the rounds of the country from which the attack originated. The Israelis are showing a lot of restraint with constant attacks. An attack originating from Palestine should be treated as an act of war and acted upon as such.

An act of war from a country that doesn't exist??
 

0roo0roo

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Why should they accept anything less than full UN membership or full integration into Israeli society?

The Israelis refer to the two state solution as what they want, even as their actions make it more impossible every day. It's a pretense to put a veneer of respectability on what they've been doing since the beginning, which is simply to take what they want in a slow motion version of Lebensraum. They have no intention of allowing the Pals anything more than the butts of their guns and their boots on the necks of the Pals, with ever diminishing Pal-istans who'll necessarily live on the dole of the international community for lack of resources.

Because they won't accept the fact that the next rocket attack from their side on day 2 will become an act of war.
 

MagickMan

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I don't think the Pals fully understand that. Let's say they officially become recognized as a nation, then they continue bombing and shooting rockets into Israel, which is practically a foregone conclusion. Israel, as will be their right, will then declare war and proceed to wipe "Palestine" off the face of the globe.

The Palestinians really need to change their attitudes before there's real talk of statehood. Otherwise, they're just going to sign their own death warrants.
 

Jhhnn

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So if that's your view then, fine. Israel is policing their own people, and it isn't your business.

That's not true at all. Israeli settlers have routinely invaded Palestinian areas, with and without the sanction of their govt.

Had the Israelis ever intended to honor a two state concept, they'd have refrained from that to a much greater degree. They've already destroyed the possibility in many respects, necessarily having to withdraw from some areas to have it happen at all.

They never did, obviously, and they likely never will w/o extreme international pressures. Eventually, they'll have the Pals locked down into small walled Ghettos, reminiscent of a different place in the not too distant past. And they'll feel justified in doing so, because the Pals had the temerity to fight back.
 

JEDIYoda

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That's not true at all. Israeli settlers have routinely invaded Palestinian areas, with and without the sanction of their govt.

Had the Israelis ever intended to honor a two state concept, they'd have refrained from that to a much greater degree. They've already destroyed the possibility in many respects, necessarily having to withdraw from some areas to have it happen at all.

They never did, obviously, and they likely never will w/o extreme international pressures. Eventually, they'll have the Pals locked down into small walled Ghettos, reminiscent of a different place in the not too distant past. And they'll feel justified in doing so, because the Pals had the temerity to fight back.

aww poor Palestinians.....
They really had the tenacity to fight back?? From what?
Israel was attacked almost immediately by the Arabs way back when Israel first settled in what is now Israel.......hmmmmm
 

Jhhnn

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aww poor Palestinians.....
They really had the tenacity to fight back?? From what?
Israel was attacked almost immediately by the Arabs way back when Israel first settled in what is now Israel.......hmmmmm

Yawn. Zionist militias were terrorizing Palestinians long before the British withdrew, even terrorizing the British with false flag attacks like the bombing of the King David Hotel... They were big believers in population migration, even if they had to create it at gunpoint, which they did.
 

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The Israelis fucked up when they gave the Sinai back to Egypt. They should have given that piece of land to the Palestinians to make a country.
 

Throckmorton

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aww poor Palestinians.....
They really had the tenacity to fight back?? From what?
Israel was attacked almost immediately by the Arabs way back when Israel first settled in what is now Israel.......hmmmmm

"Settled" isn't really the right word. It would be if we had ourselves freely given them good land in Europe or America.