Palestinians weighing alternatives to peace talks

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JEDIYoda

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A little way too late.
I don`t see Hamas involved at all in this process.
Of course you can`t blame Hamas for not being involved when for them to get involved would mean they have to go against their own charter.
Which states -- "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_palestinians

RAMALLAH, West Bank – The Palestinians will study alternatives to peace talks with Israel in the coming days, a top PLO official said Saturday, after Israel gave the green light to build 238 new houses for Jews on war-won land Palestinians seek for their state.

However, it's unlikely the Palestinians will take any dramatic steps before Nov. 2 midterm elections in the U.S., since Arab leaders have already promised the Obama administration more time — until a few days after the vote — to try to relaunch negotiations. Saturday's statements seemed intended mainly as a new warning that Washington's peace efforts are in trouble.

The negotiations, launched by the U.S. in early September, quickly broke down over Israel's refusal to extend a limited curb on construction in West Bank settlements, deemed illegal by the international community.

The Palestinians want to establish their state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem — territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast War — and say there is no point negotiating as long as expanding settlements gobble up more of that land.

Nearly half a million Israelis live in the West Bank and east Jerusalem.

Israel's 10-month moratorium on new housing starts in the West Bank expired Sept. 26. Israel never formally declared building restrictions in east Jerusalem, though an informal freeze was believed to have been in effect for several months. However, Israel announced on Thursday plans to build 238 more homes for Jews in east Jerusalem, sought by the Palestinians as a future capital.

The Palestinians sharply criticized the move. Both the U.S. and Russia said in separate statements that they were disappointed by Israel's announcement and that the new construction plans run counter to efforts to rescue the negotiations.

On Saturday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization and his Fatah movement at his headquarters in the West Bank.

The Palestinians plan to study their options in coming days, said Yasser Abed Rabbo, the secretary general of the PLO.

"These political options include going to the U.N. and to the Security Council," he said.

Palestinian officials have said in the past they might ask the Security Council to recognize a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, in case negotiations with Israel break down. The U.S. could quickly derail such a move with a veto, and it appears unlikely the Palestinians would proceed down that path without U.S. backing. For now, Washington opposes unilateral steps.

Mohammed Ishtayeh, a senior Fatah official, said the Palestinians will have prepared options by the time they consult with the Arab League in three weeks.

"We and the Arabs will choose which of these options can be implemented," he said. "It's not just a matter of going here or there, without having an outcome on the ground, because some of these options need American consent or facilitation."

Abed Rabbo, meanwhile, rejected Netanyahu's recent proposal that the Palestinians recognize Israel as the Jewish national homeland, in exchange for Israel reimposing the curb on settlements. Abed Rabbo noted that the PLO and Israel formally recognized each other in 1993. "There is no need to reopen the issue (of recognition)," he said.

In other developments Saturday, a German mediator involved in the past in trying to broker a prisoner swap between Israel and Hamas secretly visited Hamas-ruled Gaza, said Osama Mazeini, a senior official in the Islamic militant group.

Hamas is trying to swap an Israeli soldier it captured in 2006 for hundreds of supporters held by Israel. Negotiations have been deadlocked for months, and the mediator's recent visit suggests efforts are being made to renew the talks.

Israeli officials were not immediately available for comment.

Lakhdar Brahimi, a former U.N. envoy and Algerian Foreign Minister, said he and a visiting delegation to Gaza discussed the matter with Hamas leaders.

"They told us that there are some contacts but they did not give us any details on this subject," he said.
 

Lemon law

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Yes I have seen the same link on various news sites.

But as the Arab world unites, its going to become increasing costly for the USA to back Israel, as Israel is nothing but saying they want all the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
In other news, Jordan is becoming increasingly anti-Israeli. As Turkish and Iranian influence is on the rise in the mid-east and the USA will lose all Arab credit if they block a UN resolution to form a Palestinian State.

As for the rest of the world, they too will not accept American leadership if the USA choose Israel over world interests in a peaceful mid-east solution.

But the Arabs realize Obama is reluctant to do anything before the election, but I imagine the Arabs and other world leaders will be talkingf to Obama and even Republicans about demanding a Palestinian State and an end to Israeli stalling. Israel may talk a good game but their actions prove their words are totally empty.

But for now, its the calm before the storm, if Netanyuhu who has probably lost control of all events can't figure out a way to defuse the situation, events will start ruling the situation within three weeks.
 

dahunan

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TOO BAD they couldn't have weighed them BEFORE religious nuts and Britain stole their land
 

dahunan

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yep.. jedi the fake thinks land stolen in the name of religion is not terrorism.. props tard
 

dahunan

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WTF .. nothing to say about
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RELIGIOUS TERRORISTS STEALING THE LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE

I thought the Torah taught you never to be a coward... "always put the Israeli/Jewish Terrorist above all others" isn't that on the first page?
 

JEDIYoda

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WTF .. nothing to say about
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RELIGIOUS TERRORISTS STEALING THE LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE

I thought the Torah taught you never to be a coward... "always put the Israeli/Jewish Terrorist above all others" isn't that on the first page?

Umm no!! That`s what you get for trying to think.
land stolen by religious terrorists hardly!!

It`s interesting how the Palestinians had a full 10 months to work on a peace process and they just now start to do it!?! lol
 

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WTF .. nothing to say about
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RELIGIOUS TERRORISTS STEALING THE LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE

I thought the Torah taught you never to be a coward... "always put the Israeli/Jewish Terrorist above all others" isn't that on the first page?

Yeah Jediyoda, those fucking Palestinian religious terrorists stealing Israeli land. Israel legitimately earned that land after defending itself in war.
 

Lemon law

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The wide gaps on the facts and issues is probaly too wide for this forum to ever bridge,
but I believe, now that Netanyuhu refuses to stop settling on disputed lands, the larger world is going to have to confront and solve the Israeli Palestian land division issues very soon.

And then events will tend to drive the process and not political sloganeering.
 

Vic Vega

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The wide gaps on the facts and issues is probaly too wide for this forum to ever bridge,
but I believe, now that Netanyuhu refuses to stop settling on disputed lands, the larger world is going to have to confront and solve the Israeli Palestian land division issues very soon.

And then events will tend to drive the process and not political sloganeering.


Don't count on it. The rest of the planet for the most part doesn't care about your backyard rose bush dispute. No one is going to fix it for you.
 

SamurAchzar

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The wide gaps on the facts and issues is probaly too wide for this forum to ever bridge,
but I believe, now that Netanyuhu refuses to stop settling on disputed lands, the larger world is going to have to confront and solve the Israeli Palestian land division issues very soon.

And then events will tend to drive the process and not political sloganeering.

What's so different now compared to the last 43 where the world couldn't really care enough?

dahunan said:
TOO BAD they couldn't have weighed them BEFORE religious nuts and Britain stole their land

As there was never a Palestinian country or a Palestinian nation, Zionism being a decidedly secular movement (with its forefathers being socialistic Europeans) and the British actually conquered this land from the Ottomans, I find your babbling unnecessary.
 

Lemon law

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Don't count on it. The rest of the planet for the most part doesn't care about your backyard rose bush dispute. No one is going to fix it for you.

Or we can take the SamurAchzar comment of, "As there was never a Palestinian country or a Palestinian nation, Zionism being a decidedly secular movement (with its forefathers being socialistic Europeans) and the British actually conquered this land from the Ottomans, I find your babbling unnecessary. "

I certainly will not take the forum position that its my way or the highway, but I will say Israeli extremism on settling on disputed land has reached somewhat of a final head.

Will the larger world finally do something to end what amounts to a 62 or 43 year conflict or not?

Only time will soon answer that question! But if the larger world fails to answer that question and fails to move to a two State solution, will the unacceptable current solution benefits anyone other than international terrorists as the can only gets kicked further down the road. A can that still must be confronted no matter what.

Are we making progress yet?

What will be the definition of progress, will it be a total Arab and Palestinian win as all Israelis are pushed into the sea, or will it be a total Israeli victory, as the Palestinian people magically grow gills and swim away, or is there a reasonable compromise out there if now mostly Israeli extermists settler parties are dope slapped by Israeli moderates?

We may soon find out in the coming months!
 
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Due to the fact there's a large Jewish voting block in two important states (NY & Florida), the US will never do anything more than requesting that the Israeli's show restraint when dealing with the Palestinians or their neighbors.
 
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