Palestinians Offered State Five Times The Size Of Palestine By Egyptian President

[cabri]

Am I the only one that envisions a new Palestinian conflict with the people that already live there?

Can not happen - the Arabs all over the world love the Palestinians ()

 

[cabri]

I would accept this new land if only the Palestinians get to keep Jerusalem.

The Christians and Jews will not stand for it. If it wasn't for sites that are of great biblical importance to Christians in and around Jerusalem they wouldn't give a damn about Israel.

When the Arabs controlled Jerusalem, the Christians and Jews were not welcome.

As stated above; do you think that a place that is considered sacred to three major religions is going to be allowed to be restricted to one?

 

[cabri]

Please. The whole thing is just hasbara trolling. No offer was made. Your own link verifies the bullshit nature of it.

What the link indicates is the Egypt stated one thing and the Palestinians rejected it.
To save face, now Egypt must deny the assistance of the idea.

 

[Exterous]

Please. The whole thing is just hasbara trolling. No offer was made. Your own link verifies the bullshit nature of it.

Please what? I was merely responding to those complaining about the location. Still seems much greener than you and others implied

 

[Jhhnn]

Please what? I was merely responding to those complaining about the location. Still seems much greener than you and others implied

There is no location because no offer was made. The only people claiming there was such an offer are the Israelis & repeaters.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/egypts-sis...ion-palestinian-state-sinai-peninsula-1464436

The whole thing is a troll by the IDF.

 

[JEDIYoda]

There is no location because no offer was made. The only people claiming there was such an offer are the Israelis & repeaters.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/egypts-sisi...insula-1464436

The whole thing is a troll by the IDF.

That is NOT what your link says......are you that dense??

An idea along the same lines was introduced years ago by Israeli academics but Egypt rejected the proposal.<-- introduced years ago......

What the link indicates is the Egypt stated one thing and the Palestinians rejected it.
To save face, now Egypt must deny the assistance of the idea.

--- exactly!!

Jhhnn needs to learn to read...

 

[Jhhnn]

That is NOT what your link says......are you that dense??

The first sentence in the linked piece-

Egyptian President General Abdel Fatah al-Sisi has offered Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas the chance to create a Palestinian state in the Sinai Peninsula, according to local Israeli media.

Is there something about "according to local Israeli media" that you fail to comprehend?

This media?

The Israeli military radio station said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had knowledge of the offer and that the United States had given its approval to such an idea.

Straight from the mouth of the IDF & none other, so it must be true, right?

Both the Egyptians & the Pals officially deny that any such offer was made.

Lemme see... IDF feeding Hasbara trolls something to work with seems the likely origin of this story. The fact that you are the person who dragged it onto the forum only confirms that.

 

[iGas]

When the Arabs controlled Jerusalem, the Christians and Jews were not welcome.

As stated above; do you think that a place that is considered sacred to three major religions is going to be allowed to be restricted to one?

It seems as if when Arabs controlled Jerusalem Christians was more welcomed than when Jews controlled Jerusalem.

Why Christians are leaving occupied Palestine

Since the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, Palestinian Christians have been subjected to brutal military occupation in their homelands. Israel does not differentiate between Palestinian Christians and Muslims when it carries out its occupational policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

The Vatican and the Catholic Church blamed the Israeli occupation and the conflict in the Holy Land for the Christian exodus from the Holy Land and the Middle East in general...

In a 2006 poll of Christians in Bethlehem by the Palestinian Centre for Research and Cultural Dialogue, 90% reported having Muslim friends, 73.3% agreed that the Palestinian Authority treats Christian heritage in the city with respect, and 78% attributed the ongoing exodus of Christians from Bethlehem to the Israeli occupation and travel restrictions on the area.

 

[Whiskey16]

If true, seems extraordinary to me. (I see it doesn't mention anything about Palestinians who prefer to remain in Israel.)

Fern

What this is, is a wet dream for expansionist Zionists who could then full employ the pogrom of lebensraum and achieve ethnic cleansing in one foul swoop, and thereby to continue the illegal expropriation of extra-jurisdictional territory.

The crunch of it remains, for supremacist bigots, that Palestinians are a problem, and thereby a final solution is their removal from their home and native territory and therefore replaced with colonies of ethnically preferable foreigners.

No hyperbole. Nothing incorrect here.

Now, how about those Palestinians who rightly are not coerced into their removal and remain and obstacle to the greater and illegal expansion of Israel? March them off into the Sinai as well?

Let's bring into discussion, an including point of the legal definition of genocide:

It is a crime to plan or incite genocide, even before killing starts, and to aid or abet genocide: Criminal acts include conspiracy, direct and public incitement, attempts to commit genocide, and complicity in genocide.
..

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group&#8217;s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.

 

[Exophase]

There is no location because no offer was made. The only people claiming there was such an offer are the Israelis & repeaters.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/egypts-sis...ion-palestinian-state-sinai-peninsula-1464436

The whole thing is a troll by the IDF.

So when several sources refer to remarks that Abbas himself made regarding such an offer do you think that he too was tricked by the IDF? It seems to me that no one would be talking about this if Abbas didn't claim it. Or do you think Abbas never said anything in the first place? This former Egyptian official doesn't seem to think so:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...ister-dismisses-abbas-remarks-about-the-sinai

Then again, he also seems to be under the delusion that Morsi is still president so maybe he can't be taken too seriously afterall..

 

[Whiskey16]

I can see both sides of this.....the advantages and the disadvantages.....but shouldn`t Peace triumph??

Peace ain't possible via a criminally vile expansionist and supremacist pogrom such as lebensraum.

JEDIYoda, aren't you originally from Poland? Through previous two great wars, when lebensraum came into intent, how is your perspective to German expansion for the supremacist displacement of the lesser people to their East?

Israeli action outside of its state borders fail a moral stiff test. It is not hyperbole to correctly and accurately align historical pogroms and contemporary legal language against Israeli extra-jurisdictional crimes. A charged language is apt as the accurate parallels with history are damning indictments of Israeli state action:

· As Germany of the past, Israel has a state policy of lebensraum. Ironically, rather than Germanise lands beyond its border, Israel is applying its military to Zionise extra-territorial lands and displace its undesirable residents. "We are short of land, we are short of air, let us breathe in this country." Distasteful echoes of the past ring true today.

Here is a perfectly apt surmise of contemporary Israeli antagonism against its fellow native Palestinians.

Suddenly we are short of space here in Israel, which has become full to capacity and needs lebensraum. Every cultured person knows that this is a despicable German concept, banned from use because of the associations it brings up. Still, people are starting to use it, if not outright then with a clear implication: We are short of land, we are short of air, let us breathe in this country.

When we embarked on the Six-Day War did we want to remove a threat or did we want to gain control in order to spread out? That's what happens after 44 years of mire and moral corruption, which distort things and make us forget the original objective and replace it with an entirely different one. We were fortunate when we occupied the West Bank because had we not done so, where would we have come to live? And who knows how high housing prices would have risen? The divine promise is now being revealed in all its ability to prophesy about real estate.

The founding fathers, as opposed to the Diadochi who fought for control after Alexander the Great's death, represented a different approach, for the most part. Between "A little goes a long way," and "Don't bite off more than you can chew," they chose to bite; they even agreed to the 1947 UN partition plan for lack of choice. They believed that all the objectives of rational Ben Gurion-style Zionism could be fulfilled even in "Lesser Israel," which is more complete and more at peace with itself. And it has no need for lebensraum, may God preserve us.

To the inflaming cost of their neighbours, a destructive "Greater Israel" is state policy.

Israel holds the expanding power and cards. Natives will forever hold antagonism and fight back against their occupier and oppressor. In the cessation of expansionist aggression, only Israel, holds the starting solution to a just peace. Peace via mutual respect of territory and borders and the viability for sovereign states. Israel, as the aggressive and expanding occupier, alone is in control to cease the aggression and reverse actions towards peace. For only the benefit of Israel, the OP advocates extreme ethnic cleansing and aggression, even genocide...

A demeaning propaganda line is often told of Palestinians simply being vagrant Arabs who have no roots to their home in Palestine and would be just as well tossed into the Sinai.

JEDIYoda, as your OP is an advocate for anything but peace. It's to propose an even more extreme expansion and ethnic cleansing by Israel in to Palestine. Your words are of war is peace. The genocide and removal of Palestinians to provide peace.

Have to give up your original lands but in exchange get more land and peace?

JEDIYoda, you appear to advocate the genocide of a people. Destroy their community, presence, and viability from their home. You weigh the benefit of this marching of Palestinians into the Sinai as for the greater good as the mere presence of Palestinians in land coveted by expansionist Zionists, is troublesome for peace. A 1984 type of scenario where peace enforced via the territorial aggressors.

Bloody sick. How often in the history of the US were communities so offended with the presence of Blacks, Chinese, Hispanics, etc, had families terrorised and coerced into leaving neighbourhoods to retain a prejudicial purity? Supremacist bigotry for the win, as presented by the residident expansionist Zionist propagandist, JEDIYoda in his OP.

Again, how many threads on the same subject do you feel the need to start up? Nearly half of my post is a cut-and-paste from many past threads that you started and then ran away from.... In those threads you predictably lie and troll that those who disagree and critique Israel "want its destruction...." No, the criminal expansion and supremacist displacement of Palestinians perpetuate the strife and insecurity and deter peace. Unlike your calls to ethnically cleanse Palestinians and promotion of supremacist warfare for peace, I truly desire moral respect and peace. 1984 JEDIYoda. Lies and doublespeak are your meme.

 

[Jhhnn]

So when several sources refer to remarks that Abbas himself made regarding such an offer do you think that he too was tricked by the IDF? It seems to me that no one would be talking about this if Abbas didn't claim it. Or do you think Abbas never said anything in the first place? This former Egyptian official doesn't seem to think so:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...ister-dismisses-abbas-remarks-about-the-sinai

Then again, he also seems to be under the delusion that Morsi is still president so maybe he can't be taken too seriously afterall..

You don't have good reading comprehension, do you? Your link references a supposed offer by former president Morsi, not General Sisi. There is difference. The author denies supposed claims by Abbas that such an offer was ever made.

Every credible story on the supposed July 17 offer goes right back to IDF radio claiming the deal was offered. Both the Pals & the Egyptians claim the offer was never made.

Israeli propaganda artists troll the world, again.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/110225.aspx

 

[Whiskey16]

It seems odd Abbas would dismiss it out-of-hand. I.e., no negotiating, just "no".

Try this on Fern: your neighbours don't like you, they want your home. NOW MOVE!

 

[Whiskey16]

Actually they [Palestinians] are stupid......look what the Israelis accomplished agriculturally with the land they had.....turning baren land in to food producing land...

You FUCK'N supremacist vile peace of shit.

Hell, no way the latest rounds of illegal land expropriation by Israel could possibly be that of Palestinian agricultural land..... How possibly could have such numbers of Palestinians have survived for millennia?

Supremacist and revisionist BS by JEDIYoda, directly comparably with the racist propaganda by the Africaners against the natives.

 

[Exophase]

You don't have good reading comprehension, do you? Your link references a supposed offer by former president Morsi, not General Sisi. There is difference. The author denies supposed claims by Abbas that such an offer was ever made.

Every credible story on the supposed July 17 offer goes right back to IDF radio claiming the deal was offered. Both the Pals & the Egyptians claim the offer was never made.

Israeli propaganda artists troll the world, again.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/110225.aspx

Okay, but here we have another offer that Egypt is denying ever happening, but Abbas allegedly made remarks refusing. So how is it a stretch that that would happen again here? Or do you think Abbas never made comments about an offer from Morsi either, and that too was an IDF fabrication? I assume so, because you call them "supposed claims."

This isn't the first time I've seen reports of things Abbas said that were claimed to be Israeli fabrications. Some were saying that when it was reported that he was criticizing Hamas for misappropriating funds. You'd think if Abbas kept getting reported for saying things he never said he'd deny it (and yes, in this case it wasn't even Abbas who was alleged to receive an offer but Abu Mazen)

 

[Exterous]

There is no location because no offer was made. The only people claiming there was such an offer are the Israelis & repeaters

If there was no location why did you and others feel the need to comment on the location?

 

[Jhhnn]

Okay, but here we have another offer that Egypt is denying ever happening, but Abbas allegedly made remarks refusing. So how is it a stretch that that would happen again here? Or do you think Abbas never made comments about an offer from Morsi either, and that too was an IDF fabrication? I assume so, because you call them "supposed claims."

This isn't the first time I've seen reports of things Abbas said that were claimed to be Israeli fabrications. Some were saying that when it was reported that he was criticizing Hamas for misappropriating funds. You'd think if Abbas kept getting reported for saying things he never said he'd deny it (and yes, in this case it wasn't even Abbas who was alleged to receive an offer but Abu Mazen)

Abu Mazen & Abbas are different names for the same person.

What matters in all of this is the source for the claim that Sisi made an offer of Sinai territory to Abbas. That source was the IDF. That was not revealed in JEDIyoda's original propaganda link.

The IDF alone has made the claim & others have simply repeated it as if it were true. Both the Pals & the Egyptians deny that such an offer was made.

Discussion of what Morsi might have said previously, Abbas' alleged comments on that & criticism of them is merely an attempt to muddy the water. So is the fact that Israeli notables made such a suggestion in the past. None of it matters.

 

[Jhhnn]

If there was no location why did you and others feel the need to comment on the location?

Because the source of the claim, the IDF, was not revealed until post #15 of this thread. Once that's understood, it's understood to be bullshit.

 

[cabri]

Because the source of the claim, the IDF, was not revealed until post #15 of this thread. Once that's understood, it's understood to be bullshit.

You feel that it is BS because it came from an Israeli source.

Israel has informational ties (leads/leaks/informants/etc) within the Palestinian organizations and also Egypt.

If such an idea was floated and shot down; why would the Arabs admit to such?

 

[Jhhnn]

You feel that it is BS because it came from an Israeli source.

Israel has informational ties (leads/leaks/informants/etc) within the Palestinian organizations and also Egypt.

If such an idea was floated and shot down; why would the Arabs admit to such?

They haven't, certainly not wrt Sisi & Abbas. They have denied it ever happened. The rest is IDF propaganda & obfuscation designed to paint the Pals as jerks.

 

[zanejohnson]

oooooooooohhhhh


now this is really actually a MAJOR power play by PTB of Egypt, and probably every country in the M.E, besides Israel is involved.


this really has potential to hit Israel hard... its basically exactly the opportunity the zionist/ashkenazi's got after ww2..... they need to take this land, but still maintain gaza and the west bank..... let that wall come back and bite them in the ass. when the Isreali's all of a sudden cannot run those two places like wharsaw ghetto 2.0, because, the palestinians will now have a country (and Egypt, and everyone else) backing them up....

the question is?

if this deal goes through, will Israel attack egypt and the new settlements in Sinai?

you best be afraid they will...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

They haven't, certainly not wrt Sisi & Abbas. They have denied it ever happened. The rest is IDF propaganda & obfuscation designed to paint the Pals as jerks.

So Abbas lied about the offer to Ma'an news? They quoted him directly.

 

[Jhhnn]

So Abbas lied about the offer to Ma'an news? They quoted him directly.

Link.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If the offer was actually made, Palestinians would be fools to reject it. They could become a sovereign nation and then build a military that would be much more capable of taking their "rightful" land back.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Link.

I see now that it appears to be fabrication. But if it was true, they should have taken the land imo.