Palestinians Offered State Five Times The Size Of Palestine By Egyptian President

[JEDIYoda]

Looks like there's a strong chance the offer never actually happened. Lame.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-a...-palestinians/

To save face...to claim Egypt never offered the land...lolol

 

[JEDIYoda]

If it's such a great offer, the Israelis should jump on it themselves, free themselves of their Palestinian problem.

Are you that dense......look what Israel took and made with crap for land......

You mean to tell me no other people determined enough could not succeed on crap for land??

 

[master_shake_]

You're out of your propaganda addled mind. Why the fuck do you think nobody lives in the Sinai, anyway?

This is what the place looks like-

https://www.google.com/search?q=sin...nYoASvv4GABQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1064&bih=619

Maybe the Saudis could offer then some vast region in the empty quarter or Algeria could offer up part of the Sahara.

hey the jews would be happy there, they did spend 40 years walking around in that shit you know.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Are you that dense......look what Israel took and made with crap for land......

You mean to tell me no other people determined enough could not succeed on crap for land??

Seriously...
That whole area is sitting on top of millions of acres of wasteland that can be easily turned into farmland
Them Arabs just too stupid

 

[Jhhnn]

Are you that dense......look what Israel took and made with crap for land......

You mean to tell me no other people determined enough could not succeed on crap for land??

Lots of people lived in Palestine prior to Israel. Very, very few people have ever lived in the Sinai. There's an all too obvious reason for that.

 

[MongGrel]

The sad part is they have Hamas building tunnels again at I imagine, and probably won't take the offer.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hi guys. Welcome to your new home

Oh look, a tree.

Oh look, another tree.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Oh look, a tree.

Just make sure not to drink and drive

L'Arbre du Ténéré, known in English as the Tree of Ténéré, was a solitary acacia, of either Acacia raddiana[1] or Acacia tortilis,[2] that was once considered the most isolated tree on Earth[3]—the only one for over 400 kilometres (250 mi). It was a landmark on caravan routes through the Ténéré region of the Sahara in northeast Niger, so well known that it and the Arbre Perdu or 'Lost Tree' to the north are the only trees to be shown on a map at a scale of 1:4,000,000. The Tree of Ténéré was located near a 40-metre (131 feet)-deep well. It was knocked down by a drunk truck driver in 1973.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbre_du_Ténéré

 

[MongGrel]

You could dig a lot of tunnels under those rocks......

 

[DominionSeraph]

Is this where we pretend Sinai is not a desert and this is a great deal?

Offering them the Sinai is a nice way to tell them to literally pound sand

Yet Israeli settlers rushed in when the opportunity struck and had to be forcibly removed by the IDF when the Sinai was returned to Egypt.
Jews were willing to move out of Israel and work for a living. Palestinians want to sit where they are and blame Israel's existence for their problems.

 

[Anarchist420]

The palestinians can't appreciate any differences just like i can't appreciate any differences. i mean, if they just consumed and recycled the natural resources in the land that was to become israel, then how can they be satisfied with anything?

I think that palestinians 200-275 from years from now will finally have won a war and interdependence against people with mtDNA haplogroup UK. starting 300-375 years from now, there will even be intradependence in the land that is now known as Israel. within the next 75 years, there will be a lot of intradependence in south africa as white south african women (a lot of them are mtDNA haplogroup K) will finally give birth to kids conceived by black south african men.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Seriously...
That whole area is sitting on top of millions of acres of wasteland that can be easily turned into farmland
Them Arabs just too stupid

Dude don`t be a fool.....
Actually they are stupid......look what the Israelis accomplished agriculturally with the land they had.....turning baren land in to food producing land...

http://israelseen.com/2012/07/19/israel-turns-barren-desert-into-useful-and-arable-land/


Top 10 ways Israel fights desertification. Israel has gained a worldwide reputation for its ability to turn barren desert into useful and arable land. ISRAEL21c takes a look at the country’s top 10 eco-strategies. By Karin Kloosterman



This past year’s erratic and violent weather is only a small taste of what’s to come, climate scientists predict, as the impact of global warming starts to hit. Weather will become more unpredictable, flooding will become even fiercer, and droughts and famine more widespread as land increasingly gives over to desert.

With desert covering a large part of its surface, Israel has had to quickly develop solutions for its lack of arable land and potable water. Israeli research, innovation, achievements and education on this topic now span the globe in tackling problems common to all desert dwellers.

“We’ve done a lot of research on ecosystem response to drought because we have this problem on our doorstep,” says Prof. Pedro Berliner, director of Israel’s foremost research center for desert research, the Jacob Blaustein Institute for Desert Research at Ben-Gurion University in the Negev Desert.

ISRAEL21c looks at Israel’s top 10 advances to combat desertification, putting special focus on the work done by researchers at the Blaustein Institute.

1. Looking to the ancients

They lived in the Land of Israel more than 2,000 years ago in the heart of the Negev Desert, yet found a way to survive and thrive. How did the Nabateans build a sustainable community that provided food, firewood and fodder for animals?

This is Prof Pedro Berliner’s area of interest. He has developed a modern-day version of the Nabatean floodwater collection system, Runoff Agroforestry Systems, and travels the world teaching farmers in countries such as Kenya, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, India, and Mexico how to implement it. His low-tech approach redirects floodwaters to dike-surrounded plots or hand-dug pits in which trees or shrubs are planted.

Going one step further than the Nabateans, “In our system we not only plant trees and between them rows of crops, but gave the old a new twist by using legume shrub-like trees which can absorb atmospheric nitrogen through their root system,” Berliner says. Soil fertility is maintained at practically no cost, ensuring the long-term sustainability of the system.


2. Making the most from the sun

In developing nations, people still cut trees for firewood. This causes desertification from lack of vegetation to hold the soil and its nutrients in place. Rain washes away the topsoil, leaving worthless sand behind.

Israel’s advances in off-grid solar energy power plants for individual homes or villages can help change that by offering a clean, renewable alternative. Ben-Gurion Prof. David Faiman has developed a concentrator photovoltaic (CPV) cell perfect for developing nations facing deforestation, and he is just one of dozens of Israeli researchers and companies working in this direction.

“Israel is helping combat desertification by making solar power a viable alternative to the conventional way of chopping down trees for firewood,” Berliner tells ISRAEL21c.

3. Help fish swim in the desert

Vast desert land does not need to go to waste when practical high-value crops –– especially alternative ones like aquaculture –– can very much thrive there. Professors Shmuel Appelbaum and Dina Zilber from Ben-Gurion University helped perfect a system to grow fish in the desert.

Their system takes low-quality brackish water –– water that has a high salt content –– and pumps it up onto land into pools for raising marine fish. This provides an entirely new source of protein, and income, for desert-dwellers. The conditions in some deserts are also optimal for raising aquarium fish, and Israel is starting to harvest attractive guppies for export to Europe.


etc...
http://israelseen.com/2012/07/19/israel-turns-barren-desert-into-useful-and-arable-land/

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude don`t be a fool.....
Actually they are stupid......look what the Israelis accomplished agriculturally with the land they had.....turning baren land in to food producing land...

http://israelseen.com/2012/07/19/israel-turns-barren-desert-into-useful-and-arable-land/


Top 10 ways Israel fights desertification. Israel has gained a worldwide reputation for its ability to turn barren desert into useful and arable land. ISRAEL21c takes a look at the country’s top 10 eco-strategies. By Karin Kloosterman



This past year’s erratic and violent weather is only a small taste of what’s to come, climate scientists predict, as the impact of global warming starts to hit. Weather will become more unpredictable, flooding will become even fiercer, and droughts and famine more widespread as land increasingly gives over to desert.

With desert covering a large part of its surface, Israel has had to quickly develop solutions for its lack of arable land and potable water. Israeli research, innovation, achievements and education on this topic now span the globe in tackling problems common to all desert dwellers.

“We’ve done a lot of research on ecosystem response to drought because we have this problem on our doorstep,” says Prof. Pedro Berliner, director of Israel’s foremost research center for desert research, the Jacob Blaustein Institute for Desert Research at Ben-Gurion University in the Negev Desert.

ISRAEL21c looks at Israel’s top 10 advances to combat desertification, putting special focus on the work done by researchers at the Blaustein Institute.

1. Looking to the ancients

They lived in the Land of Israel more than 2,000 years ago in the heart of the Negev Desert, yet found a way to survive and thrive. How did the Nabateans build a sustainable community that provided food, firewood and fodder for animals?

This is Prof Pedro Berliner’s area of interest. He has developed a modern-day version of the Nabatean floodwater collection system, Runoff Agroforestry Systems, and travels the world teaching farmers in countries such as Kenya, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, India, and Mexico how to implement it. His low-tech approach redirects floodwaters to dike-surrounded plots or hand-dug pits in which trees or shrubs are planted.

Going one step further than the Nabateans, “In our system we not only plant trees and between them rows of crops, but gave the old a new twist by using legume shrub-like trees which can absorb atmospheric nitrogen through their root system,” Berliner says. Soil fertility is maintained at practically no cost, ensuring the long-term sustainability of the system.


2. Making the most from the sun

In developing nations, people still cut trees for firewood. This causes desertification from lack of vegetation to hold the soil and its nutrients in place. Rain washes away the topsoil, leaving worthless sand behind.

Israel’s advances in off-grid solar energy power plants for individual homes or villages can help change that by offering a clean, renewable alternative. Ben-Gurion Prof. David Faiman has developed a concentrator photovoltaic (CPV) cell perfect for developing nations facing deforestation, and he is just one of dozens of Israeli researchers and companies working in this direction.

“Israel is helping combat desertification by making solar power a viable alternative to the conventional way of chopping down trees for firewood,” Berliner tells ISRAEL21c.

3. Help fish swim in the desert

Vast desert land does not need to go to waste when practical high-value crops –– especially alternative ones like aquaculture –– can very much thrive there. Professors Shmuel Appelbaum and Dina Zilber from Ben-Gurion University helped perfect a system to grow fish in the desert.

Their system takes low-quality brackish water –– water that has a high salt content –– and pumps it up onto land into pools for raising marine fish. This provides an entirely new source of protein, and income, for desert-dwellers. The conditions in some deserts are also optimal for raising aquarium fish, and Israel is starting to harvest attractive guppies for export to Europe.


etc...
http://israelseen.com/2012/07/19/israel-turns-barren-desert-into-useful-and-arable-land/

So what?

 

[Jaskalas]

Moreover, if that land were to be accepted... pretty clear that the borders would open.

They could build a future, instead of building bombs.

 

[iGas]

You're out of your propaganda addled mind. Why the fuck do you think nobody lives in the Sinai, anyway?

This is what the place looks like-

https://www.google.com/search?q=sin...nYoASvv4GABQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1064&bih=619

Maybe the Saudis could offer then some vast region in the empty quarter or Algeria could offer up part of the Sahara.

Or, better yet the UK offer some vast area in England, or the US give New York to the Israel Jews as the promised land.

 

[JEDIYoda]

So what?

so the Palestinians would have to get creative like the Jews way back when...they could do it.......what`s the issue....other than the ignorance of some forum members...

 

[sandorski]

I'm pretty sure the Jews have had enough of escaping out of Egypt already.

Fern

Moses and the Exodus is a Myth.

 

[Orignal Earl]

so the Palestinians would have to get creative like the Jews way back when...they could do it.......what`s the issue....other than the ignorance of some forum members...

In what ways where the Jews being creative, that wasn't being done elsewhere in the world at the time?
Are you saying Israeli's invented all these things? Israel did not come up with drip irrigation etc.
The US for instance had the Dust Bowl and was rapidly reversing it before Israel was created.

 

[senseamp]

Yet Israeli settlers rushed in when the opportunity struck and had to be forcibly removed by the IDF when the Sinai was returned to Egypt.
Jews were willing to move out of Israel and work for a living. Palestinians want to sit where they are and blame Israel's existence for their problems.

Good, if Jewish settlers are OK living in Sinai, they should leave the West Bank and move there. Problem solved.

 

[Exophase]

Good, if Jewish settlers are OK living in Sinai, they should leave the West Bank and move there. Problem solved.

Of course that would require Egypt offering the land to Israel instead, which I don't think would happen even if this offer to Palestine was legitimate.

 

[JEDIYoda]

In what ways where the Jews being creative, that wasn't being done elsewhere in the world at the time?
Are you saying Israeli's invented all these things? Israel did not come up with drip irrigation etc.
The US for instance had the Dust Bowl and was rapidly reversing it before Israel was created. <-- umm no, you are totally wrong!! You are speaking out of ignorance--
1937


March: Roosevelt addresses the nation in his second inaugural address, stating, "I see one-third of the nation ill-housed, ill-clad, ill-nourished . . . the test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." FDR's Shelterbelt Project begins. The project called for large-scale planting of trees across the Great Plains, stretching in a 100-mile wide zone from Canada to northern Texas, to protect the land from erosion. Native trees, such as red cedar and green ash, were planted along fence rows separating properties, and farmers were paid to plant and cultivate them. The project was estimated to cost 75 million dollars over a period of 12 years. When disputes arose over funding sources (the project was considered to be a long-term strategy, and therefore ineligible for emergency relief funds), FDR transferred the program to the WPA, where the project had limited success.

1938


The extensive work re-plowing the land into furrows, planting trees in shelterbelts, and other conservation methods has resulted in a 65 percent reduction in the amount of soil blowing. However, the drought continued. 1939


In the fall, the rain comes, finally bringing an end to the drought. During the next few years, with the coming of World War II, the country is pulled out of the Depression and the plains once again become golden with wheat.

Why are you being so stupid??
In the article it says -- Top 10 ways Israel fights desertification. Israel has gained a worldwide reputation for its ability to turn barren desert into useful and arable land.


Perhaps Israel was doing it better than everyone else? or they were truly pioneers in turning barren desert into useful land!!

You idiotic comments on the dust bowl just prove your adding nothing of substance to this...

 

[Meghan54]

Why are you being so stupid??
In the article it says -- Top 10 ways Israel fights desertification. Israel has gained a worldwide reputation for its ability to turn barren desert into useful and arable land.


Perhaps Israel was doing it better than everyone else? or they were truly pioneers in turning barren desert into useful land!!

You idiotic comments on the dust bowl just prove your adding nothing of substance to this...

True about the arable land increase, but how was that ability gained in the first place? It surely wasn't gained in isolation but perhaps was one of the fruits of over $121B in foreign aid the U.S. has bestowed on Israel since WWII? Naaa, that probably didn't have a thing to do with it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

True about the arable land increase, but how was that ability gained in the first place? It surely wasn't gained in isolation but perhaps was one of the fruits of over $121B in foreign aid the U.S. has bestowed on Israel since WWII? Naaa, that probably didn't have a thing to do with it.

That is really a moot point...when you consider that Israel would have had to develop that land in the first place or the people would starve.

Also if you look at then aid first started it was technically 1953 - 1961 -- During these years of austerity, the United States provided Israel moderate amounts of economic aid, mostly as loans for basic food stuffs; a far greater share of state income derived from German war reparations, which were used for domestic development.

France became Israel's main arms supplier at this time and provided Israel with advanced military equipment and technology. This support was seen by Israel to counter the perceived threat from Egypt under President Gamal Abdel Nasser with respect to the "Czech arms deal" of September 1955. During the 1956 Suez Crisis for differing reasons, France, Israel and Britain colluded to topple Nasser by regaining control of the Suez Canal, following its nationalization, and to occupy parts of western Sinai assuring free passage of shipping in the Gulf of Aqaba.[21] In response, the U.S., with support from Soviet Union at the United Nations intervened on behalf of Egypt to force a withdrawal. Afterward, Nasser expressed a desire to establish closer relations with the United States. Eager to increase its influence in the region, and prevent Nasser from going over to the Soviet Bloc, U.S. policy was to remain neutral and not become too closely allied with Israel. At this time, the only assistance the U.S. provided Israel was food aid. In the early 1960s, the U.S. would begin to sell advanced, but defensive, weapons to Israel, Egypt and Jordan, including Hawk anti aircraft missiles.

Kennedy and Johnson administrations (1961&#8211;1969)[edit]





Yad Kennedy, Memorial to John F. Kennedy, located in Jerusalem Forest
During Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency, U.S. policy shifted to a whole-hearted, but not unquestioning, support for Israel. Prior to the Six-Day War of 1967, U.S. administrations had taken considerable care to avoid giving the appearance of favoritism. Writing in American Presidents and the Middle East, George Lenczowski notes, "Johnson's was an unhappy, virtually tragic presidency", regarding "America's standing and posture in the Middle East", and marked a turning point in both U.S.&#8211;Israeli and U.S.&#8211;Arab relations.[22] He characterizes the Middle Eastern perception of the U.S. as moving from "the most popular of Western countries" before 1948, to having "its glamour diminished, but Eisenhower's standing during the Arab&#8211;Israeli Suez Crisis convinced many Middle Eastern moderates that, if not actually lovable, the United States was at least a fair country to deal with; this view of U.S. fairness and impartiality still prevailed during Kennedy's presidency; but during Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency America's policy took a definite turn in the pro-Israeli direction". He added, "The June war of 1967 confirmed this impression, and from 1967 on [writing in 1990] the United States emerged as the most distrusted if not actually hated country in the Middle East."

Leading up to the war, while the Administration was sympathetic to Israel's need to defend itself against foreign attack, the U.S. worried that Israel's response would be disproportionate and potentially destabilizing. Israel's raid into Jordan after the Samu Incident was very troubling to the U.S. because Jordan was also an ally and had received over $500 million in aid for construction of the East Ghor Main Canal, which was virtually destroyed in subsequent raids.
The primary concern of the Johnson Administration was that should war break out in the region, the United States and Soviet Union would be drawn into it. Intense diplomatic negotiations with the nations in the region and the Soviets, including the first use of the Hotline, failed to prevent war. When Israel launched preemptive strikes against the Egyptian Air force, Secretary of State Dean Rusk was disappointed as he felt a diplomatic solution could have been possible.

In 1966, when defecting Iraqi pilot Munir Redfa landed in Israel flying a Soviet-built MiG-21 fighter jet, information on the plane was immediately shared with the United States.
During the Six-Day War, Israeli jets and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty, a U.S. Navy intelligence ship in Egyptian waters, killing 34 and wounding 171. Israel claimed the Liberty was mistaken as the Egyptian vessel El Quseir, and it was an instance of friendly fire. The U.S. government accepted it as such, although the incident raised much controversy, and is still believed by some to have been deliberate. Following the war, the perception in Washington was that many Arab states (notably Egypt) had permanently drifted toward the Soviets. In 1968, with strong support from Congress, Johnson approved the sale of Phantom fighters to Israel, establishing the precedent for U.S. support for Israel's qualitative military edge over its neighbors. The U.S., however, continued to provide military equipment to Arab states such as Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, to counter Soviet arms sales in the region.

During the Israeli&#8211;Egyptian War of Attrition, Israeli commandos captured a Soviet-built P-12 radar station in an operation code-named Rooster 53. Previously unknown information was subsequently shared with the U.S.

When the French government imposed an arms embargo on Israel in 1967, Israeli spies procured designs of the Dassault Mirage 5 from a Swiss Jewish engineer in order to build the IAI Kfir. These designs were also shared with the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–United_States_relations

So while you are right about the aid.......according to these sites and Wikipedia...it was not until much later that military aid was granted....

.......and even then it was not very much compared to 2013...


I am really sure that the Palextinains if they accepted Egypt`s offer would have tons of help in developing the land for its people....

 

[JEDIYoda]

The International Business Times article did not come to the same conclusion that this article did.
Something a little biased about this article

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/egypts-sisi...insula-1464436

More of your misinformation??

All that article does is word for word use excerpts from what I posted.....
I don`t see any conclusion at all.....

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=19939

Report: Egypt offers Abbas a Palestinian state in Sinai

According to Army Radio report, Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi offered Palestinian Authority 620 square miles of land adjacent to Gaza in exchange for relinquishing claims to 1967 borders • PA President Abbas reportedly rejects proposal.

Yet what we are now seeing is that Egypt is denying that they offered the land....due to Abbas saying thanks but no thanks -- it`s called saving face!!

 

[inachu]

Which is funny because end time cult evangelicals want Israel to land grab all their biblical borders back which includes taking from Syria and Iraq and now some land from Egypt.

Israel is just one big giant sex cult.