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Palestinians Offered State Five Times The Size Of Palestine By Egyptian President

JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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I can see both sides of this.....the advantages and the disadvantages.....but shouldn`t Peace triumph??

Have to give up your original lands but in exchange get more land and peace?

Doing so rejects one sponsors'

Otherwise, you will continually loose and people will not live in peace.


http://www.inquisitr.com/1461098/pa...alestine-by-egyptian-president-abbas-rejects/


Egyptian President General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi has reportedly offered Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas a Palestinian State in Egypt’s Sinai which would be five times bigger than anything Israel could offer them in negotiations.

The International Business Times reported today that even though he was offered 1,600 square kilometers of the Sinai Peninsula by al-Sisi, Abbas refused, thus proving that the Palestinians he represents are more interested in replacing Israel rather than creating a peaceful state adjacent to their current borders.

As part of the offer to the Palestinians, Abbas would have to relinquish demands that Israel return to the 1967 borders, and would agree that this state would be be totally demilitarized. Also as part of the deal Palestinian cities in Judea and Samaria would become autonomous and continue to be under Palestinian Authority control.

In the meeting between al-Sisi and Abbas, the former is reported to have said to his counterpart, “You are now 80 years old, if you don’t accept this proposal, your successor will.”


The Egyptian proposal comes at a time when Abbas is again in conflict with Hamas, despite having agreed to the charade of sharing a so called unity government with it. Abbas was really pressured into the deal with Hamas due to the group’s control of Gaza,


“We cannot continue working with Hamas this way. There are 27 undersecretaries of ministries who are running the Gaza Strip, and the national unity government cannot do anything on the ground. We won’t accept the continuation of the situation with Hamas as it is now and in this shape. There must be one authority and one regime.”

The fact that Palestinian refugees would be resettled in the new and spacious independent state as part of the agreement was even more of a sweetener, but Abbas rejected the offer.

A state, such as the one proposed to the Palestinians, would offer them a much better chance of building a vibrant and peaceful society without fear of being used as human shields by Hamas in the inevitable next Gaza war.

The fact that Mahmoud Abbas made the decision not to accept the offer proves once again the truth of Abba Eban’s oft quoted aphorism about the Palestinians who he accused of “never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.”

This missed opportunity is just the latest example of the true face of Palestinian Nationalism.
 
Jaskalas said:
That is an incredible offer. The sort of thing necessary to move forward.
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Agreed that it's a hell of an offer and a possible game changer, especially if they get access to the ocean and the sort of aid that essentially building a country in the desert would take.
 
If true, seems extraordinary to me. (I see it doesn't mention anything about Palestinians who prefer to remain in Israel.)

Fern
 
If it's such a great offer, the Israelis should jump on it themselves, free themselves of their Palestinian problem.
 
SandEagle said:
why don't the Israelis just give them back their land?
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It's not the Palestinians' land. It's mine. I called it.
I've been living within 1 Earth diameter of Palestine my entire life. Every single one of my ancestors lived within 1 Earth diameter. It's obviously mine.
 
Yeh, I can see Abbas with a thought bubble above his head reading: "It's the principle of it all! Don't you all get it? It's the principle!"

Abbas should adopt the Chinese philosophy of planning for the long term rather than not losing face and appearing to be defeated by Israel if he takes the deal offered by the Egyptians. Abbas could, if he were clever and patient enough as the Germans were post WWI, grow his state to be (long shot into the wind) equal or possibly superior to Israel in economic and military power. That would immeasurably improve his position to achieve his agenda than it would to be stubbornly short sighted as he appears to be.
 
Fucking hell. ENOUGH OF THIS childish feud. Convince the two sides that both sides are the same, and fucking blend in. no need to be my side and your side when they can both be on the same fucking side and then nobody will lose out. Stubborn assholes run both sides.
 
JEDIYoda said:
The International Business Times reported today that even though he was offered 1,600 square kilometers of the Sinai Peninsula by al-Sisi, Abbas refused, thus proving that the Palestinians he represents are more interested in replacing Israel rather than creating a peaceful state adjacent to their current borders.
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The International Business Times article did not come to the same conclusion that this article did.
Something a little biased about this article

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/egypts-sis...ion-palestinian-state-sinai-peninsula-1464436
 
Is this where we pretend Sinai is not a desert and this is a great deal?
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Offering them the Sinai is a nice way to tell them to literally pound sand 🙂
 
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This article is wrong. The land offered is not "five times the size of Palestine", it's five time the size of the Gaza strip. Huge difference. That's also hardly five times what they'd get with the pre-1967 borders vs what they have now.

I still find it commendable that Egypt is willing to give up some of its own land to improve the situation of its neighbors. That's a big shift from the status quo towards Palestinians by other Arab countries, which has mostly been to keep them as permanent refugees with limited rights. None of the land adjacent Gaza and five times larger is that great, but it would at least give them the totality of Rafah and would remove the Egyptian blockade (assuming they don't plan to open a new one around the transferred area, which would be bizarre). To comment any further on the quality of the offer I'd have to know exactly what was being proposed, for example how much of it was coastal land and how oil rich it is.
 
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tweaker2 said:
Yeh, I can see Abbas with a thought bubble above his head reading: "It's the principle of it all! Don't you all get it? It's the principle!"

Abbas should adopt the Chinese philosophy of planning for the long term rather than not losing face and appearing to be defeated by Israel if he takes the deal offered by the Egyptians. Abbas could, if he were clever and patient enough as the Germans were post WWI, grow his state to be (long shot into the wind) equal or possibly superior to Israel in economic and military power. That would immeasurably improve his position to achieve his agenda than it would to be stubbornly short sighted as he appears to be.
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Oh..so he should be the next Hitler;That's what you're saying,isn't it?
Because it seems to me that's what you're saying.
 
senseamp said:
Is this where we pretend Sinai is not a desert and this is a great deal?
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Offering them the Sinai is a nice way to tell them to literally pound sand 🙂
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I've never been there, but it all pretty much looks the same to me. Your linked map shows that aside from irrigated farmlands about 99% of Egypt is wasteland. The pictures I've seen of Israel look the same.

It seems odd Abbas would dismiss it out-of-hand. I.e., no negotiating, just "no". I would've expected him to demand a good tract and beachfront etc. To just say no seems like the rejection is based on 'principle'.

Fern
 
I say let there be war, and to the victor goes the spoils. It is the way of the world. Every border is decided this way, it is how nations conduct business. Nations cannot change how they behave, there is no such thing as diplomacy between nations, there is only war. So let's just get it over with already and bring peace the only way possible when nations are involved, through war.
 
Fern said:
I've never been there, but it all pretty much looks the same to me. Your linked map shows that aside from irrigated farmlands about 99% of Egypt is wasteland. The pictures I've seen of Israel look the same.

It seems odd Abbas would dismiss it out-of-hand. I.e., no negotiating, just "no". I would've expected him to demand a good tract and beachfront etc. To just say no seems like the rejection is based on 'principle'.

Fern
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How do you negotiate when someone tells you to pound sand...

-We want to give you some sand to pound in the Sinai in exchange for your current and ancestral home.
-Can I pound your mom instead?
 
Arafat was offered similar deal at camp David when clinton was pres. He turned it down. So called "palestinians" have no idea what to do with them selves if all their wants and wishes are satisfied..thus the present situation. They would rather maintain their criminal and terrorist posture then organize a productive peaceful society.
 
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