Palestinians learn about the Holocaust in Israel

[woolfe9999]

Yes camps don't count. They are nothing like the camps the Jews were in, so they don't even come close to counting. That's like saying what we did to the Japanese is comparable to the holocaust, it's not even in the same league. Camps are shitty, that doesn't make it holocaust2. When Israel starts up the gas chambers, makes the Palestinians wear a big purple P pinned to their chest, and have them do death marches you can start calling it holocaust2.

Add the following for specifics:

Palestinians were not confined to refugee camps. These are/were not detention facilities.

Palestinians were not placed in hard, slave labor in these camps.

Palestinians did not have cruel medical experiments performed on them in these camps.

Palestinians were not subjected to 600 calorie per day diets in these camps, with an average life expectancy of 60 days.

Billions in foreign aid was not allowed to help the inmates of Nazi camps.

Palestinians were not mass exterminated in these camps.

Palestinian standard of living has been average to above average through the duration post 1948 by developing world standards. Billions in the world live worse than the Palestinians. The same could not be said of inmates of Nazi concentration camps.

Oh, and for good measure, we can mention that Jordon and Egypt constructed these camps while they occupied the West Bank and Gaza before 1967. Israel did not even construct the refugee camps.

- wolf

 

[Lemon law]

I am sorry that you damn Israeli fan clubbers cannot see the injustice equivalence of genocides. Maybe granted Hitler and his ilk were inhuman monsters, but who is so crazy to think the only a slightly less Israeli monstrosity somehow justifies a new monstrosity?

Does one holocaust justify another holocaust? If one holocaust was bigger than the other? Does infinity equal another infinity? Or are their different inequalities that justify the next infinite holocaust. Can a mere 12 year holocaust always stay bigger than a longer running 62 year and counting Israeli holocaust? Can the Israeli holocaust over take the European one given a few more years? Well hell, I don't know, maybe you Israeli fan clubbers can tell me so we will both know!

I somehow hope, we all learn, that we can't change a rotten past, we can only change the present and therefore lay the groundwork for a better future.

We can't change past holocausts, we can only change present one's.

 

[nick1985]

I am sorry that you damn Israeli fan clubbers cannot see the injustice equivalence of genocides.

Jesus man, its time for you to step out of the thread to avoid any further embarrassment.


Just. Stop. Talking.

 

[cirrrocco]

There's no way you can learn about WWII without hearing about the British Bengal Genocide of 1943, so I guess Americans don't learn about WWII?

So much history, not enough time. The surprising thing is that they don't learn about it since it affects their modern day politics since it led to the creation of Israel. However, I can see others not learning about it and focusing on other issues such as what happened in Asia.

wow didnt realize three million dead in one year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

fucking imperial dogs.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I am sorry that you damn Israeli fan clubbers cannot see the injustice equivalence of genocides.

Wow, you are really a loon.

 

[woolfe9999]

I am sorry that you damn Israeli fan clubbers cannot see the injustice equivalence of genocides. Maybe granted Hitler and his ilk were inhuman monsters, but who is so crazy to think the only a slightly less Israeli monstrosity somehow justifies a new monstrosity?

Does one holocaust justify another holocaust? If one holocaust was bigger than the other? Does infinity equal another infinity? Or are their different inequalities that justify the next infinite holocaust. Can a mere 12 year holocaust always stay bigger than a longer running 62 year and counting Israeli holocaust? Can the Israeli holocaust over take the European one given a few more years? Well hell, I don't know, maybe you Israeli fan clubbers can tell me so we will both know!

I somehow hope, we all learn, that we can't change a rotten past, we can only change the present and therefore lay the groundwork for a better future.

We can't change past holocausts, we can only change present one's.

One need not be an "Israel fan clubber" to see the hard, factual differences between the plight of the victims of Nazism and the plight of the Palestinians. The differences are just facts. And you just fail at facts.

- wolf

 

[BeauJangles]

I am sorry that you damn Israeli fan clubbers cannot see the injustice equivalence of genocides. Maybe granted Hitler and his ilk were inhuman monsters, but who is so crazy to think the only a slightly less Israeli monstrosity somehow justifies a new monstrosity?

Hitler was a terrible man who killed 12 million people just because he could.

The Israeli's are fucking dumb sometimes and they do stupid, unforgivable things, but nothing they've done has ever even approximated The Holocaust or a holocaust. To say that is to take away from the magnitude of the horrors committed by the Third Reich.

You don't have to be an "Israeli fan clubber" (which means something completely different than you meant) to see that you're right to say one atrocity doesn't beget another, but that you're so disgustingly wrong when you label the Israeli / Palestinian conflict a genocide.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon law
I am sorry that you damn Israeli fan clubbers cannot see the injustice equivalence of genocides. Maybe granted Hitler and his ilk were inhuman monsters, but who is so crazy to think the only a slightly less Israeli monstrosity somehow justifies a new monstrosity?

Hitler was a terrible man who killed 12 million people just because he could.

The Israeli's are fucking dumb sometimes and they do stupid, unforgivable things, but nothing they've done has ever even approximated The Holocaust or a holocaust. To say that is to take away from the magnitude of the horrors committed by the Third Reich.

You don't have to be an "Israeli fan clubber" (which means something completely different than you meant) to see that you're right to say one atrocity doesn't beget another, but that you're so disgustingly wrong when you label the Israeli / Palestinian conflict a genocide.

Several thoughts come to mind concerning Lemon Law...
#1 --- He is probably a palestinian....born of mixed birth..mom or dad was palestiniann and the other was German.
#2 --- His grand parents were German.
#3 --- They were probably Nazi`s.

Which expalins his total blind support for the Palestinians as well as his all to common comparying Israel to Nazi Germany!

Lemon law I feel sorry that you cannot see how stupid it makes you look to compare the palestinian people to what happenned to the jews during WW2!!

As was pointed out earlier by bffd and woolfe9999
Quote:

Originally Posted by bfdd
Yes camps don't count. They are nothing like the camps the Jews were in, so they don't even come close to counting. That's like saying what we did to the Japanese is comparable to the holocaust, it's not even in the same league. Camps are shitty, that doesn't make it holocaust2. When Israel starts up the gas chambers, makes the Palestinians wear a big purple P pinned to their chest, and have them do death marches you can start calling it holocaust2.

Add the following for specifics:

Palestinians were not confined to refugee camps. These are/were not detention facilities.

originally posted by woolfe9999 --
Palestinians were not placed in hard, slave labor in these camps.

Palestinians did not have cruel medical experiments performed on them in these camps.

Palestinians were not subjected to 600 calorie per day diets in these camps, with an average life expectancy of 60 days.

Billions in foreign aid was not allowed to help the inmates of Nazi camps.

Palestinians were not mass exterminated in these camps.

Palestinian standard of living has been average to above average through the duration post 1948 by developing world standards. Billions in the world live worse than the Palestinians. The same could not be said of inmates of Nazi concentration camps.

Oh, and for good measure, we can mention that Jordon and Egypt constructed these camps while they occupied the West Bank and Gaza before 1967. Israel did not even construct the refugee camps.

As BeauJangles stated -- You don't have to be an "Israeli fan clubber" (which means something completely different than you meant) to see that you're right to say one atrocity doesn't beget another, but that you're so disgustingly wrong when you label the Israeli / Palestinian conflict a genocide.

 

[peonyu]

If you look at population figures under the Ottomans, Palestine was backwater region with nothing going on. The population was 30000...Then the Jews show up, industry booms and the Arabs start moving to Palestine en masse. So if Palestinians want Jews to go home then the Arabs should leave to, 90% of them are not Palestinian.

 

[MotF Bane]

I am sorry that you damn Israeli fan clubbers cannot see the injustice equivalence of genocides. Maybe granted Hitler and his ilk were inhuman monsters, but who is so crazy to think the only a slightly less Israeli monstrosity somehow justifies a new monstrosity?

Does one holocaust justify another holocaust? If one holocaust was bigger than the other? Does infinity equal another infinity? Or are their different inequalities that justify the next infinite holocaust. Can a mere 12 year holocaust always stay bigger than a longer running 62 year and counting Israeli holocaust? Can the Israeli holocaust over take the European one given a few more years? Well hell, I don't know, maybe you Israeli fan clubbers can tell me so we will both know!

I somehow hope, we all learn, that we can't change a rotten past, we can only change the present and therefore lay the groundwork for a better future.

We can't change past holocausts, we can only change present one's.

It's not a fucking genocide, you idiot.

 

[JS80]

Add the following for specifics:

Palestinians were not confined to refugee camps. These are/were not detention facilities.

Palestinians were not placed in hard, slave labor in these camps.

Palestinians did not have cruel medical experiments performed on them in these camps.

Palestinians were not subjected to 600 calorie per day diets in these camps, with an average life expectancy of 60 days.

Billions in foreign aid was not allowed to help the inmates of Nazi camps.

Palestinians were not mass exterminated in these camps.

Palestinian standard of living has been average to above average through the duration post 1948 by developing world standards. Billions in the world live worse than the Palestinians. The same could not be said of inmates of Nazi concentration camps.

Oh, and for good measure, we can mention that Jordon and Egypt constructed these camps while they occupied the West Bank and Gaza before 1967. Israel did not even construct the refugee camps.

- wolf

Let's not forget, the Jews that weren't confined in the concentration camps lobbed rockets into German towns and schools and blew up cafes and markets.

 

[Lemon law]

Well ole Jedi manages to be consistently wrong in saying, "Several thoughts come to mind concerning Lemon Law...
#1 --- He is probably a palestinian....born of mixed birth..mom or dad was palestiniann and the other was German.
#2 --- His grand parents were German.
#3 --- They were probably Nazi`s."

Yup, wrong on 3 out of 3, you are on a roll again Jedi. But should I expect anything else out of you?

But I note, not one, not one Israeli fan clubber has even tried to logically address the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. Not one. As they stay stuck on stupid in saying because Jews were raped in the past they are entitled to rape someone else.

But maybe the other thing to point out is that the world is fast running out of Nazi monsters. Most of those those that were not already caught and quite properly punished as war criminals, are now already dead from natural causes. How many are left now? Is it 2, 5, 10, when will revenge be satisfied? So that the new Israeli genocide can no longer be justified?

How many years will we keep beating a past injustice before we look at present injustices? But going back into Jewish history, perhaps the greatest villains were the Roman empire, why does not the present Israeli government have a genocide against Italians? Wham Bam, thank you Mam, only 10 Israeli nukes required to solve the 1800 year old Israeli Roman revenge problem.

Of course my argument is absurd, the Israeli fan clubber problem is that their argument is equally absurd.

 

[bfdd]

Lemon Law what genocide? Where is the fucking genocide occurring in Israel or Palestine? It isn't and you have absolutely no fucking proof. Just because YOU SAY IT'S A GENOCIDE DOES NOT MAKE IT A GENOCIDE. BTW I'm far from an Israeli fan clubber, I'm just not a moron.

 

[Lemon law]

Lemon Law what genocide? Where is the fucking genocide occurring in Israel or Palestine? It isn't and you have absolutely no fucking proof. Just because YOU SAY IT'S A GENOCIDE DOES NOT MAKE IT A GENOCIDE. BTW I'm far from an Israeli fan clubber, I'm just not a moron.

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If you can not see a New Israeli genocide plain as the nose on your face, I guess it makes you a moron.

The intellectual noise problem is that the Arabs and Palestinians are morons too.

What to do, what to do, maybe its time for the entire world dope slap all the morons rather than siding with with one moron and not the the other.

Hamas or Israeli settler parties, the same opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin.

Which is more rotten? You tell me because it heads to the same bloodbath.

 

[BeauJangles]

Well ole Jedi manages to be consistently wrong in saying, "Several thoughts come to mind concerning Lemon Law...
#1 --- He is probably a palestinian....born of mixed birth..mom or dad was palestiniann and the other was German.
#2 --- His grand parents were German.
#3 --- They were probably Nazi`s."

Yup, wrong on 3 out of 3, you are on a roll again Jedi. But should I expect anything else out of you?

But I note, not one, not one Israeli fan clubber has even tried to logically address the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. Not one. As they stay stuck on stupid in saying because Jews were raped in the past they are entitled to rape someone else.

But maybe the other thing to point out is that the world is fast running out of Nazi monsters. Most of those those that were not already caught and quite properly punished as war criminals, are now already dead from natural causes. How many are left now? Is it 2, 5, 10, when will revenge be satisfied? So that the new Israeli genocide can no longer be justified?

How many years will we keep beating a past injustice before we look at present injustices? But going back into Jewish history, perhaps the greatest villains were the Roman empire, why does not the present Israeli government have a genocide against Italians? Wham Bam, thank you Mam, only 10 Israeli nukes required to solve the 1800 year old Israeli Roman revenge problem.

Of course my argument is absurd, the Israeli fan clubber problem is that their argument is equally absurd.

WTF are you talking about?


Israelis have done some really awful things to Palestinians, but Palestinians have done some really awful things to Israelis. Neither of them has committed any series of acts that would constitute a genocide or a holocaust.

 

[Lemon law]

WTF are you talking about?( Well jangles, if you are too stupid to understand the point, its not my fault that you are stuck on stupid. At least I tried. )


Israelis have done some really awful things to Palestinians, but Palestinians have done some really awful things to Israelis. Neither of them has committed any series of acts that would constitute a genocide or a holocaust.

(Maybe point granted, neither Israel or Palestinians are angels, but when we look at the whole who won and lost question, not only is Israel the biggest winner, but what its super hard to buy is the Israel is the victim act. As for the Palestinian genocide question, we all know Israel and its fan clubber's deny that, but from the Palestinian perspective, its a slam dunk.


Can't we all agree that we need to examine that possible Israeli genocide question from a factual rather than an emotional basis.

As for me, I don't care how many Israeli fan clubbers call me an idiot, I know I will be proved correct in the end.

But who is wrong and right on P&N is not the question, the question is how we can achieve a just peace win win in the mid-east?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well ole Jedi manages to be consistently wrong in saying, "Several thoughts come to mind concerning Lemon Law...
#1 --- He is probably a palestinian....born of mixed birth..mom or dad was palestiniann and the other was German.
#2 --- His grand parents were German.
#3 --- They were probably Nazi`s."

Yup, wrong on 3 out of 3, you are on a roll again Jedi. But should I expect anything else out of you? -- judging by your idiotic comparisons to the Holocaust, I am more right than you want people on these forum to know!
You are probably even embarrassed that I finally figured you out!!

But I note, not one, not one Israeli fan clubber has even tried to logically address the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. Not one. As they stay stuck on stupid in saying because Jews were raped in the past they are entitled to rape someone else. -- what you fail to recognize it that people like you with your blinded comparisons to the nazi`s and the holocaust are causing more harm than good for the Palestinian cause!!

But maybe the other thing to point out is that the world is fast running out of Nazi monsters. Most of those those that were not already caught and quite properly punished as war criminals, are now already dead from natural causes. How many are left now? Is it 2, 5, 10, when will revenge be satisfied? So that the new Israeli genocide can no longer be justified?
As has been stated earlier there is no genocide nor holocaust taking place by the israeli`s against the palestinians! -- as bfdd stated earlier -- bfdd Lemon Law what genocide? Where is the fucking genocide occurring in Israel or Palestine? It isn't and you have absolutely no fucking proof. Just because YOU SAY IT'S A GENOCIDE DOES NOT MAKE IT A GENOCIDE. BTW I'm far from an Israeli fan clubber, I'm just not a moron.
As I just stated you are doing the Palestinians no good with your moronic, idiotic, outlandishly false comparisons!!

How many years will we keep beating a past injustice before we look at present injustices?
As was stated earlier by several people who called you a liar. You have no proof of genocide nor a holocaust!!
yet at the same time many people who are jews and Israeli will agree that there have been injustice towards the Palestinians. But at the same time nothing compared to the Holocausrt or even genocide....
So do your cause a favor and drop the false premise of genocide...

But going back into Jewish history, perhaps the greatest villains were the Roman empire, why does not the present Israeli government have a genocide against Italians? Wham Bam, thank you Mam, only 10 Israeli nukes required to solve the 1800 year old Israeli Roman revenge problem. -- this has what to do with anything??

Of course my argument is absurd, the Israeli fan clubber problem is that their argument is equally absurd.-- Finally you get it...your argument is absurd and unfounded and an absolute lie on your part.....

Do your cause and the people on these forums a favor -- they/we are not stupid--there is no genocide taking place. Your insistance on one taking place with no proof other than your opinion is just play idiotic!!

 

[ZzZGuy]

God damn, I knew Lemon Law was a horrible human being, but I didn't realize how much of a stupid horrible human being he was.

To sum up my feelings, I'd have to agree with JEDIYoda. Though I'm a little iffy on the whole "German" thing, though it does imply some group(s) I think he's a member of.

And yea, try calling me "Israeli fan clubber", dig through my posts and try it I dare you.

Now back to ignoring this waste of space.

 

[BeauJangles]

(Maybe point granted, neither Israel or Palestinians are angels, but when we look at the whole who won and lost question, not only is Israel the biggest winner, but what its super hard to buy is the Israel is the victim act. As for the Palestinian genocide question, we all know Israel and its fan clubber's deny that, but from the Palestinian perspective, its a slam dunk.


Can't we all agree that we need to examine that possible Israeli genocide question from a factual rather than an emotional basis.

As for me, I don't care how many Israeli fan clubbers call me an idiot, I know I will be proved correct in the end.

But who is wrong and right on P&N is not the question, the question is how we can achieve a just peace win win in the mid-east?

Fact: Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians are engaged in any form of genocide. Next topic.

Peace? Peace will only happen when the Israelis come to believe that the Palestinians, the Syrians, the Jordanians, the Egyptians, and the Saudis are not still out to get them. Peace will only come when the Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians remove themselves from the Israel / Palestine negotiations. Finally, peace will only happen once the Palestinians first accept that the Israelis are there to stay and come to believe that the Israelis aren't out to get them.

There is a lot of mistrust on ALL sides. This mistrust fundamentally undermines peace negotiations. Progress comes slowly and, all too often is given back when the slightest altercation (anything from a suicide bomber to an IDF attack to a verbal spat) flares up, triggering the mistrust and fueling the fire.

Each successive perception of being "stabbed in the back" moves the region away from peace and, unfortunately, there are lots of perceptions like that out there.

 

[MotF Bane]

(Maybe point granted, neither Israel or Palestinians are angels, but when we look at the whole who won and lost question, not only is Israel the biggest winner, but what its super hard to buy is the Israel is the victim act. As for the Palestinian genocide question, we all know Israel and its fan clubber's deny that, but from the Palestinian perspective, its a slam dunk.


Can't we all agree that we need to examine that possible Israeli genocide question from a factual rather than an emotional basis.

As for me, I don't care how many Israeli fan clubbers call me an idiot, I know I will be proved correct in the end.

But who is wrong and right on P&N is not the question, the question is how we can achieve a just peace win win in the mid-east?

You are utterly delusional.

 

[Orignal Earl]

lol

I got to hand it to you LL, you don't give up.
Of course a lot of what you say makes sense, and anyone with half a brain would know your not a Hamas supporter or any of the other things the poodles call you. I say poodles because that's what they remind me of. When I do service calls, its never the big dogs, Rotties, Pits,Labs that give you trouble. Its always the little dogs, yapping n yippin and biting at your ankles.
These poodles here get themselves going in a pack and start frothing and running into walls, and licking each others arses.
I guess most posters just gave up along time ago.

 

[MotF Bane]

lol

I got to hand it to you LL, you don't give up.
Of course a lot of what you say makes sense, and anyone with half a brain would know your not a Hamas supporter or any of the other things the poodles call you. I say poodles because that's what they remind me of. When I do service calls, its never the big dogs, Rotties, Pits,Labs that give you trouble. Its always the little dogs, yapping n yippin and biting at your ankles.
These poodles here get themselves going in a pack and start frothing and running into walls, and licking each others arses.
I guess most posters just gave up along time ago.

So you agree with Lemon Law that Israel is conducting a genocide against the Palestinians? Yes or no.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So you agree with Lemon Law that Israel is conducting a genocide against the Palestinians? Yes or no.

It's no where as black and white as that. This is a very complex situation.
I really don't know.

The first thought that came to my mind when I started to read this thread is why don't the Pals have access to this info on the Holocaust.
The second thing that came to my mind is Israel controls everything that goes in and out of Gaza and the West Bank.