Look at this article and tell me you would endorse this kind of behavior in your neighborhood.
Sides confer on Bethlehem standoff
Sides confer on Bethlehem standoff
Palestinians are barbaric |:-(
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>>>But Islam is a peacful religion<<<
So they say. I call them the Satan's spawn, all of them. I got your whasabe hanging Islam!:|
So they say. I call them the Satan's spawn, all of them. I got your whasabe hanging Islam!:|
I have not yet heard of the Israelis dragging the bodies of collaborators, suspected or otherwise.
<< You haven't heard of any mormons doing it either. >>
Now that I think about it, you may be right.
JeffreyLebowski -- << Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are arab. >>
Sorry, but that is just not true. In the last fifty years, Ariel Sharon has been as much of a terrorist as Arafat ever was. That does not excuse either of them, or any other terrorist, but your statement is pure bullsh8 prejudice!
Sorry, but that is just not true. In the last fifty years, Ariel Sharon has been as much of a terrorist as Arafat ever was. That does not excuse either of them, or any other terrorist, but your statement is pure bullsh8 prejudice!
<< Being less barbaric doesn't mean they aren't barbaric themselves, just not as much >>
Barbaric - having a bizarre, primitive, or unsophisticated quality
Even if we assume that the IDF did kill some civilians in the course of its battle in Jenin, it still does seem clear that there is a very different mentality at work here.
terror: violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>
When was Sharon doing that? Since when did the Left decide that moral equivalence and extreme relativism was the correct path?
When was Sharon doing that? Since when did the Left decide that moral equivalence and extreme relativism was the correct path?
Jimbo -- << When was Sharone doing that? >>
Since you ask, go to google.com, and enter "Ariel Sharon" and "Force 101" (in quotes). You'll find plenty of links with answers to your question. Here's info from a couple:
From Link 1
Sharon's history is a record of terrorism is well documented going back to the early 1950s. In 1953, he was a commander of a unit known as "Force 101," whose mission was supposedly retaliation against Arab attacks on Jewish villages. In fact, as can be seen from two terrible onslaughts, one of them very well known, Force 101's purpose was to instill terror by inflicting murderous violence not only on able bodied fighters, but on the young, the old, and the helpless.
Sharon's first documented sortie in this role was in August of 1953 on the refugee camp of El-Bureig, south of Gaza. An Israeli history of the 101 unit records 50 refugees as having been killed; other sources allege 15 or 20. Major-General Vagn Bennike, the UN commander, reported that "bombs were thrown" by Sharon's men "through the windows of huts in which the refugees were sleeping and, as they fled, they were attacked by small arms and automatic weapons".
In October of 1953, Sharon's unit attacked the Jordanian village of Qibya. Israel's foreign minister at the time, Moshe Sharett, wrote in his diary that the "stain would stick to us and not be washed away for many years."
As Israeli historian Avi Shlaim describes the massacre, "Sharon's order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations. The full and macabre story of what happened at Qibya was revealed only during the morning after the attack. The village had been reduced to rubble: forty-five houses had been blown up, and sixty-nine civilians, two thirds of them women and children, had been killed. Sharon and his men claimed that they believed that all the inhabitants had run away and that they had no idea that anyone was hiding inside the houses."
The UN observer on the scene reached a different conclusion. He wrote, "One story was repeated time after time: the bullet splintered door, the body sprawled across the threshhold, indicating that the inhabitants had been forced by heavy fire to stay inside until their homes were blown up over them."
The slaughter in Qibya was described contemporaneously in a letter to the president of the United Nations Security Council dated 16 October 1953 from the Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of Jordan to the United States. On 14 October 1953 at 9:30 at night, he wrote, Israeli troops launched a battalion-scale attack on the village of Qibya in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (at the time the West Bank was annexed to Jordan).
According to the diplomat's account, Israeli forces had entered the village and systematically murdered all occupants of houses, using automatic weapons, grenades and incendiaries. On 14 October, the bodies of 42 Arab civilians had been recovered; several more bodies were still under the wreckage. Forty houses, the village school and a reservoir had been destroyed. Quantities of unused explosives, bearing Israel army markings in Hebrew, had been found in the village. At about 3 a.m., to cover their withdrawal, Israeli support troops had begun shelling the neighbouring villages of Budrus and Shuqba from positions in Israel.
From Link 2
A retired army general, Sharon's prominent role in the conflict dates to 1953 when he was a young army officer who formed Force 101. The unit raided Palestinian strongholds in retaliation for terrorist attacks. Palestinians feared and hated Force 101, charging that its targets were often innocent civilians.
Since you ask, go to google.com, and enter "Ariel Sharon" and "Force 101" (in quotes). You'll find plenty of links with answers to your question. Here's info from a couple:
From Link 1
Sharon's history is a record of terrorism is well documented going back to the early 1950s. In 1953, he was a commander of a unit known as "Force 101," whose mission was supposedly retaliation against Arab attacks on Jewish villages. In fact, as can be seen from two terrible onslaughts, one of them very well known, Force 101's purpose was to instill terror by inflicting murderous violence not only on able bodied fighters, but on the young, the old, and the helpless.
Sharon's first documented sortie in this role was in August of 1953 on the refugee camp of El-Bureig, south of Gaza. An Israeli history of the 101 unit records 50 refugees as having been killed; other sources allege 15 or 20. Major-General Vagn Bennike, the UN commander, reported that "bombs were thrown" by Sharon's men "through the windows of huts in which the refugees were sleeping and, as they fled, they were attacked by small arms and automatic weapons".
In October of 1953, Sharon's unit attacked the Jordanian village of Qibya. Israel's foreign minister at the time, Moshe Sharett, wrote in his diary that the "stain would stick to us and not be washed away for many years."
As Israeli historian Avi Shlaim describes the massacre, "Sharon's order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations. The full and macabre story of what happened at Qibya was revealed only during the morning after the attack. The village had been reduced to rubble: forty-five houses had been blown up, and sixty-nine civilians, two thirds of them women and children, had been killed. Sharon and his men claimed that they believed that all the inhabitants had run away and that they had no idea that anyone was hiding inside the houses."
The UN observer on the scene reached a different conclusion. He wrote, "One story was repeated time after time: the bullet splintered door, the body sprawled across the threshhold, indicating that the inhabitants had been forced by heavy fire to stay inside until their homes were blown up over them."
The slaughter in Qibya was described contemporaneously in a letter to the president of the United Nations Security Council dated 16 October 1953 from the Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of Jordan to the United States. On 14 October 1953 at 9:30 at night, he wrote, Israeli troops launched a battalion-scale attack on the village of Qibya in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (at the time the West Bank was annexed to Jordan).
According to the diplomat's account, Israeli forces had entered the village and systematically murdered all occupants of houses, using automatic weapons, grenades and incendiaries. On 14 October, the bodies of 42 Arab civilians had been recovered; several more bodies were still under the wreckage. Forty houses, the village school and a reservoir had been destroyed. Quantities of unused explosives, bearing Israel army markings in Hebrew, had been found in the village. At about 3 a.m., to cover their withdrawal, Israeli support troops had begun shelling the neighbouring villages of Budrus and Shuqba from positions in Israel.
From Link 2
A retired army general, Sharon's prominent role in the conflict dates to 1953 when he was a young army officer who formed Force 101. The unit raided Palestinian strongholds in retaliation for terrorist attacks. Palestinians feared and hated Force 101, charging that its targets were often innocent civilians.
Harvy: Link 1 goes straight to WRMEA. Come on dude. If they were anymore left they would be throwing bombs with Hammas.
Link 2 does not say much.
This is what the IDF says about force 101:
<< The new emphasis on mobility was designed to prevent the enemy from regrouping. The success of the tank forces during the Sinai Campaign ensured that the new doctrine would find a place in the IDF. In accordance with the new doctrine of seeking out the enemy, in the summer of 1953 a special, secret unit was established (unit "101") to retaliate against Arab infiltration across the borders by striking at guerrilla bases inside enemy territory. The unit never comprised more than forty-five soldiers, and was integrated into the paratroopers after only five months. Nevertheless, its success in actively dealing with infiltration, as well as the mystique surrounding its operations, ensured that its style of combat had a great impact on the evolving IDF. >>
Link 2 does not say much.
This is what the IDF says about force 101:
<< The new emphasis on mobility was designed to prevent the enemy from regrouping. The success of the tank forces during the Sinai Campaign ensured that the new doctrine would find a place in the IDF. In accordance with the new doctrine of seeking out the enemy, in the summer of 1953 a special, secret unit was established (unit "101") to retaliate against Arab infiltration across the borders by striking at guerrilla bases inside enemy territory. The unit never comprised more than forty-five soldiers, and was integrated into the paratroopers after only five months. Nevertheless, its success in actively dealing with infiltration, as well as the mystique surrounding its operations, ensured that its style of combat had a great impact on the evolving IDF. >>
Jimbo -- At the bottom of the text on wmea.com, there is a link to the original source on counterpunch.com. I have been able to get to that link, occasionally, but unfortunately, it's very slow and unreliable, and it's not typeset very well. This was just an easier link to reach and read.
The history of this sad conflict contains more than enough wrong on all sides.
Glad we can discuss this kind of stuff, instead of flaming or shooting over it.
P.S. My name is Harvey, with an e.
The history of this sad conflict contains more than enough wrong on all sides.
Glad we can discuss this kind of stuff, instead of flaming or shooting over it.
P.S. My name is Harvey, with an e.
Do you know where the word BARBARIC comes from?
The ancient Greeks called everyone who didn't speak Greek barbaric because the sounds they made were like BAR BAR BAR BAR BAR, and the Greeks couldn't understand them until they learned to translate.
Now barbaric has come to mean primitive, unsophisticated, wild and "marked by a lack of restraint," but I figured I'd share some knowledge with you guys.
The ancient Greeks called everyone who didn't speak Greek barbaric because the sounds they made were like BAR BAR BAR BAR BAR, and the Greeks couldn't understand them until they learned to translate.
Now barbaric has come to mean primitive, unsophisticated, wild and "marked by a lack of restraint," but I figured I'd share some knowledge with you guys.
shinerburke -- << That's the key sentence. They were responding to Arab terrorist attacks. >>
I don't give a sh8 what lame excuses they offer or what they thought they were doing. There is no excuse for torching and shelling Palestinian homes, then shooting the fleeing women and children.
You seem to think Sharon and his forces were justified in becoming the same monsters they say they were trying to stop. Even if you are lame enough to think we were right to be in Viet Nam, that's like saying our guys were right for committing massacres like Mi Lai.
I don't give a sh8 what lame excuses they offer or what they thought they were doing. There is no excuse for torching and shelling Palestinian homes, then shooting the fleeing women and children.
You seem to think Sharon and his forces were justified in becoming the same monsters they say they were trying to stop. Even if you are lame enough to think we were right to be in Viet Nam, that's like saying our guys were right for committing massacres like Mi Lai.
<<
<< That's the key sentence. They were responding to Arab terrorist attacks. >>
That's wholly irrelevant. That's like justifying suicide bombing because it's in retaliation for Israeli aggression. >>
It is NOT irrelevant.
Israelis occupying land is a FAR cry from Palestinians specifically targeting Israeli civilians.
Terrorist sucide bombings have no justification PERIOD. The victims however DO.
<<I don't give a sh8 what lame excuses they offer or what they thought they were doing. There is no excuse for torching and shelling Palestinian homes, then shooting the fleeing women and children.>>
By that line of reasoning, the USA is full of terrorists, because we fire bombed Japan, and basically carpet-bombed(though they didn't call it that back then) a good portion of Germany, knowing we were hitting cities where civilians were.
Unfortunately, in a war, there are casualties and atrocities.
<<Sharon's order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations>>
This indicates that Sharon was following orders. Who issued them?
I am not saying that what Sharon's troops did wasn't terrible, most warlike actions are. But they were RESPONDING to terrorist attacks, not initiating them. There is a difference.
By that line of reasoning, the USA is full of terrorists, because we fire bombed Japan, and basically carpet-bombed(though they didn't call it that back then) a good portion of Germany, knowing we were hitting cities where civilians were.
Unfortunately, in a war, there are casualties and atrocities.
<<Sharon's order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations>>
This indicates that Sharon was following orders. Who issued them?
I am not saying that what Sharon's troops did wasn't terrible, most warlike actions are. But they were RESPONDING to terrorist attacks, not initiating them. There is a difference.
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