Palestine

[SandEagle]

will we ever see a fair two-state solution in this lifetime? pole added. :sneaky:

 

[PeshakJang]

No two-state solution involving Israel will ever be "fair" so long as the UN exists to condemn them.

 

[SandEagle]

No two-state solution involving Israel will ever be "fair" so long as the US fails to condemn them.

fixed. :sneaky:

 

[EagleKeeper]

The problem is the definition of fair.
What was considered to be fair by the UN back in '48 was not acceptable by the Arabs and Palestinians then.

Now that there is less, they still can not make up their minds if they really want a two state solution or the ability to continue to bitch about how they have been dealt and unfair hand.

To have a two state solution will require the Palestinians to act as a state. To date, they have not shown that capability. Even when sitting at the "talks", they have to run to other Arab groups for permission to blow their noses.

 

[SandEagle]

The problem is the definition of fair.
What was considered to be fair by the UN back in '48 was not acceptable by the Arabs and Palestinians then.

Now that there is less, they still can not make up their minds if they really want a two state solution or the ability to continue to bitch about how they have been dealt and unfair hand.

To have a two state solution will require the Palestinians to act as a state. To date, they have not shown that capability. Even when sitting at the "talks", they have to run to other Arab groups for permission to blow their noses.

i'm sure if they received $3 billion in US aid every year, they could afford to "act like a state" :sneaky:

 

[Lemon law]

I did not vote in this poll nor can we expect the most pro-Israeli country in the world, namely the USA, to shed poll results that shed anything but heat and not light.

As it is, all the world has done is replaced the Jewish refugee problem with a subsequent equally large Palestinian refugee problem.

As it is, there is not a country on earth, including the USA that recognizes the Israel claim that it owns territory gained in the 1967&73 wars. Yet its totally illogical that 43 years later Israel still militarily occupies and builds on such disputed lands that Israel can never own.

Yet the USA has a long history of trying the broker a solution with no success. With Obama being the latest US President to try to broker a solution. And in MHO, making a botch of it.

But the point maybe being, if Obama does not succeed, Obama may be the last US President that has any credibility, and if Obama does not deliver something, other nations that are far less pro-Israeli will take on the job and demand a solution to what amounts to a 62 year old explosive mid-east problem.

Right now, Israeli credibility is at an all time low in the larger world, and to some extent the USA must now choose between Israel and the Arab world, the USA can have one or the other but not both.

Worse yet, there are just two ways to solve the problem, either a two State solution in a separate Palestinian and Israeli State, or the South African solution where Palestinians are assimilated with the vote into Israel.

And as long as Israel keeps settling in disputed lands, it dooms the two State solution making a the forced assimilations of Palestinians into Israel with voting rights the only option.

Anyone with brains in Israel realized that years ago, but bat shit crazy Israeli settler parties are in denial.

 

[Sinsear]

Yes.
















Then carpet bombed.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

It won't happen because neither side is willing to make the necessary concessions.

I also question whether or not the Palestinians really want their own State. If they did they would actually have to take responsibility for their collective actions and cease playing the victim. They haven't shown the willingness to do that.

 

[JS80]

Arabs don't need another state. There's no such thing as "palestine" nor a "palestinian". They are just arabs.

 

[drebo]

Whichever side is militarily and societally stronger should be able to do whatever the fuck they want.

If Israel can't defend itself, they sure as shit better come up for a reason for us to defend them. Otherwise, we need to get the fuck out of there and let them settle it themselves. It's not our fight, and we have no business giving either side billions of dollars to fight a war which will not benefit us in any way.

The destruction of Israel (a paper state) does not mean the destruction of the Jewish people in general. As long as whoever takes over the land does not engage in genocide, slavery, or hostile actions against us or any of our useful allies, I don't see as it's any of our business who "controlls" a worthless patch of desert on the other side of the world.

The interventionist policies and "nation-building" of the last 20 years have directly contributed to our currently fucked up state of domestic policy and should be ended immediately. There is nothing wrong with non-interventionism. Isolationism would kill America from within like a disease, and interventionism will lead to America being killed by external forces. Non-interventionism is the only path.

 

[JEDIYoda]

i'm sure if they received $3 billion in US aid every year, they could afford to "act like a state"

I did not vote because the OP is a troll and has no interest in seeing a fair and peaceful settlement!!

I am sure you are an idiot who knows nothing about the Middle East!!

As Long as Hamas which represents the palestinians as their government has in there Charter these points you can expect little to nothing to happen in favor of a Palestinian state..

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."


So to answer your question-- It would be nice if the Palestinians had a state of their own.....but it would also be nice if the Palestinians were not their own worse enema!!

As it is......it will be a cold day in hell before the US denounces Israel.....

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm in favor of the terrorist state being cleared out by neighboring states.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Boy was I wrong on this.:$

The US has nothing to do with there becoming a Palistinian state.
You want to blame the current situation on the Israeli's and the US.

Yet ignoring that the Palestininas have never acted responsible to the world in being a state.

The Palestinians get aid $$ from the US, the UN, Europe and the Arab/Muslim states. It is not the lack of money that prevents the state, it is their actions.
The Arabs did not want them to have a state in '48 and the Palestinians themselves are determined to ensure that they do not act like a state nowdays.

The problem is the definition of fair.
What was considered to be fair by the UN back in '48 was not acceptable by the Arabs and Palestinians then.

Now that there is less, they still can not make up their minds if they really want a two state solution or the ability to continue to bitch about how they have been dealt and unfair hand.

To have a two state solution will require the Palestinians to act as a state. To date, they have not shown that capability. Even when sitting at the "talks", they have to run to other Arab groups for permission to blow their noses.

i'm sure if they received $3 billion in US aid every year, they could afford to "act like a state" :sneaky:

 

[EagleKeeper]

This thread can be legitimate or treated like a troll thread.

It will be up to the OP on what happens.

Common Courtesy
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[SandEagle]

This thread can be legitimate or treated like a troll thread.

It will be up to the OP on what happens.

Common Courtesy
Anandtech Admin/Moderator

Seriuos thread is seriuosly seriuos

 

[nick1985]

I did not vote in this poll nor can we expect the most pro-Israeli country in the world, namely the USA, to shed poll results that shed anything but heat and not light.

As it is, all the world has done is replaced the Jewish refugee problem with a subsequent equally large Palestinian refugee problem.

As it is, there is not a country on earth, including the USA that recognizes the Israel claim that it owns territory gained in the 1967&73 wars. Yet its totally illogical that 43 years later Israel still militarily occupies and builds on such disputed lands that Israel can never own.

Yet the USA has a long history of trying the broker a solution with no success. With Obama being the latest US President to try to broker a solution. And in MHO, making a botch of it.

But the point maybe being, if Obama does not succeed, Obama may be the last US President that has any credibility, and if Obama does not deliver something, other nations that are far less pro-Israeli will take on the job and demand a solution to what amounts to a 62 year old explosive mid-east problem.

Right now, Israeli credibility is at an all time low in the larger world, and to some extent the USA must now choose between Israel and the Arab world, the USA can have one or the other but not both.

Worse yet, there are just two ways to solve the problem, either a two State solution in a separate Palestinian and Israeli State, or the South African solution where Palestinians are assimilated with the vote into Israel.

And as long as Israel keeps settling in disputed lands, it dooms the two State solution making a the forced assimilations of Palestinians into Israel with voting rights the only option.

Anyone with brains in Israel realized that years ago, but bat shit crazy Israeli settler parties are in denial.

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